Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Edom just totally ignored my response to him... not really surprised, though.

Do you really wanna get stuck in the loop of saying logical shit just to get 'shot down' by Edom being all like "REEEE!!! FEMINIZUMS!!!"???

[The V O I D]

Edom just totally ignored my response to him... not really surprised, though.

Do you really wanna get stuck in the loop of saying logical shit just to get 'shot down' by Edom being all like "REEEE!!! FEMINIZUMS!!!"???

I suppose not.

[Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders]

Here's my stance:

I am not a fan of abortion, but banning it isn't the solution. Banning abortion doesn't stop abortion. It stops SAFE abortion.

Abortion in cases of rape, incest, financial matters, or pretty much any other reason should be permitted. However, abortion based on the sex of the baby and nothing else is utterly ridiculous and should be banned.

[United Syria]

The problem with abortion.

[The V O I D]

The problem with abortion.

If youtube videos are your source, I'm going to stop you right now by saying get a more credible un-biased source.

[Aegis Prime]

The problem with abortion.

If youtube videos are your source, I'm going to stop you right now by saying get a more credible un-biased source.

watch the video, its based on facts. Sources of the info used in the video is in the description.

[Kelinfort]

The problem with abortion.

What an idiot.

[Ashmoria]

If youtube videos are your source, I'm going to stop you right now by saying get a more credible un-biased source.

watch the video, its based on facts. Sources of the info used in the video is in the description.

only a fool watches an abortion video without knowing what is in it.

what points did YOU find most compelling?

[Aegis Prime]

watch the video, its based on facts. Sources of the info used in the video is in the description.

only a fool watches an abortion video without knowing what is in it.

what points did YOU find most compelling?

I knew that the amount of abortions due to rape and the mothers health were low but I was surprised as to just how low the numbers actually were. Also I was surprised at just how much the baby develops in such a short amount of time. All in all a lot of interesting fact based information in the video.

[The V O I D]

only a fool watches an abortion video without knowing what is in it.

what points did YOU find most compelling?

I knew that the amount of abortions due to rape and the mothers health were low but I was surprised as to just how low the numbers actually were. Also I was surprised at just how much the baby develops in such a short amount of time. All in all a lot of interesting fact based information in the video.

And none of it justifies removing choice. Nor does it explain why we should ignore bodily autonomy, only in the case of pregnant women.

Nor do I wish to acknowledge youtube as an actual source. Actual unbiased sources are actual unbiased sources.

[Aegis Prime]

I knew that the amount of abortions due to rape and the mothers health were low but I was surprised as to just how low the numbers actually were. Also I was surprised at just how much the baby develops in such a short amount of time. All in all a lot of interesting fact based information in the video.

And none of it justifies removing choice. Nor does it explain why we should ignore bodily autonomy, only in the case of pregnant women.

Nor do I wish to acknowledge youtube as an actual source. Actual unbiased sources are actual unbiased sources.

Ok heres the point im trying to make, regardless of your opinion on the issue the facts brought up in the video are still facts.

[United Syria]

They're just too afraid to step out of their comfort zone and admit facts, kek

[New Edom]

only a fool watches an abortion video without knowing what is in it.

what points did YOU find most compelling?

I knew that the amount of abortions due to rape and the mothers health were low but I was surprised as to just how low the numbers actually were. Also I was surprised at just how much the baby develops in such a short amount of time. All in all a lot of interesting fact based information in the video.

Good for you. You go right on exploring information from whatever sources you like. The government of Canada has some information that is quite interesting about relationship between rates of people trying to get abortion and the availability of medical health, contraception and sex education.

In my opioin if someone is not raped, subjected to incest or facing medical issues, there's no reason why they cannot simply find a way of living with their decision to have sex that could result in pregnancy. Last I checked having sex resulting in insemination is not a human right. Expression of sexuality has nothing to do with this particular detail.

[Kelinfort]

I knew that the amount of abortions due to rape and the mothers health were low but I was surprised as to just how low the numbers actually were. Also I was surprised at just how much the baby develops in such a short amount of time. All in all a lot of interesting fact based information in the video.

Good for you. You go right on exploring information from whatever sources you like. The government of Canada has some information that is quite interesting about relationship between rates of people trying to get abortion and the availability of medical health, contraception and sex education.

In my opioin if someone is not raped, subjected to incest or facing medical issues, there's no reason why they cannot simply find a way of living with their decision to have sex that could result in pregnancy. Last I checked having sex resulting in insemination is not a human right. Expression of sexuality has nothing to do with this particular detail.

Bodily sovereignty isn't dependent on that.

[Aegis Prime]

My point of view is this basically: I am pro life, but I am not ignorant to facts.

making abortion illegal only pushes that activity to the underground (as anything else) BUT there should be stricter regulations on abortion. We live in a time where we have more options that ever before, from birth control to condoms etc.. With that in mind abortion should be the very last resort.

It should be legal to go ahead with the procedure if the mothers life is in danger (determined by the physician) if she was raped (with the corresponding court order) and also incest. For abortions due to elective reasons (economic, not ready, etc...) the mother should have to get the go ahead from a social worker (make it case by case basis) and make it so the earlier the pregnancy is the higher likelyhood that they could get the go ahead to perform an abortion. Also have a cut-off time where if healthy and not a unique circumstance an abortion cannot be legally performed.

Basically a system that awards responsibility. Also I must note that the government should have no responsibility to pay for the procedure, only to provide the aforementioned social services of advising and evaluating cases.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

The problem with abortion.

Random YouTube guy who thinks people care what he thinks. So convinced.

[Godular]

They're just too afraid to step out of their comfort zone and admit facts, kek

How remarkably ironic. Your only argument was an unaccompanied link. Whatever 'facts' may exist, I assure you they do nothing to support banning access to abortion services or even curtailing such access.

[Godular]

My point of view is this basically: I am pro life, but I am not ignorant to facts.

making abortion illegal only pushes that activity to the underground (as anything else) BUT there should be stricter regulations on abortion. We live in a time where we have more options that ever before, from birth control to condoms etc.. With that in mind abortion should be the very last resort.

It should be legal to go ahead with the procedure if the mothers life is in danger (determined by the physician) if she was raped (with the corresponding court order) and also incest. For abortions due to elective reasons (economic, not ready, etc...) the mother should have to get the go ahead from a social worker (make it case by case basis) and make it so the earler the pregnancy is the higher likelyhood that they could get the go ahead to perform an abortion. Also have a cut-off time where if healthy and not a unique circumstance an abortion cannot be legally performed.

Basically a system that awards responsibility. Also I must note that the government should have no responsibility to pay for the procedure, only to provide the aforementioned social services of advising and evaluating cases.

Why should the woman be forced to provide evidence that she is in compliance with such arbitrary restrictions in order to undergo a medical procedure? It is quite literally nobody's business but her own.

It is her body that is in question, and the fetus harms that body by virtue of its existence. Should a woman require such legal clearance to defend herself from an attacker? I am fairly certain there are greater concerns at such a juncture.

[PaNTuXIa]

The problem with abortion.

Oh god, not that bourgeoisie prick. Fuck him.

[Aegis Prime]

Why should the woman be forced to provide evidence that she is in compliance with such arbitrary restrictions in order to undergo a medical procedure?

Because it is not just her we are talking about here it is another human life, it is a baby.

the fetus harms that body by virtue of its existence.

Jesus christ man you make it sound like the baby is some sort of xenomorph parasite.

[Wallenburg]

The problem with abortion.

That YouTuber is a well-known bullshitter. Try making your own argument.

[Ashmoria]

only a fool watches an abortion video without knowing what is in it.

what points did YOU find most compelling?

I knew that the amount of abortions due to rape and the mothers health were low but I was surprised as to just how low the numbers actually were. Also I was surprised at just how much the baby develops in such a short amount of time. All in all a lot of interesting fact based information in the video.

well that's why we have abortion on demand in the early stages of pregnancy. that way a woman doesn't have to give a reason and the reason really is no one else's business. today the large majority of abortions are done before 10 weeks--a result of having those accurate home pregnancy tests. if we forced insurance coverage of abortion then that percentage would rise dramatically.

[Wallenburg]

I knew that the amount of abortions due to rape and the mothers health were low but I was surprised as to just how low the numbers actually were. Also I was surprised at just how much the baby develops in such a short amount of time. All in all a lot of interesting fact based information in the video.

well that's why we have abortion on demand in the early stages of abortion. that way a woman doesn't have to give a reason and the reason really is no one else's business. today the large majority of abortions are don't before 10 weeks--a result of having those accurate home pregnancy tests. if we forced insurance coverage of abortion then that percentage would rise dramatically.

Brain fart.

[Ashmoria]

well that's why we have abortion on demand in the early stages of abortion. that way a woman doesn't have to give a reason and the reason really is no one else's business. today the large majority of abortions are don't before 10 weeks--a result of having those accurate home pregnancy tests. if we forced insurance coverage of abortion then that percentage would rise dramatically.

Brain fart.

grrrrrr I keep getting distracted.

[Neutraligon]

Why should the woman be forced to provide evidence that she is in compliance with such arbitrary restrictions in order to undergo a medical procedure?

Because it is not just her we are talking about here it is another human life, it is a baby.

the fetus harms that body by virtue of its existence.

Jesus christ man you make it sound like the baby is some sort of xenomorph parasite.

Xenomorph, not, parasitic in nature, yes. Oh and as long as it is dependent on her body to live I would claim it is essentially a part of her body. Once it is able to live outside the womb then it becomes a separate entity.