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Would Time Travel Result in The Destruction of the Universe?

Postby ADST World » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:01 pm

I was debating this with someone else earlier, and was wondering what you guys thought would happen if somebody tried to change the past.

Proposal 1: The future timeline is overwritten, resulting in a infinite paradoxical loop.

Proposal 2: Multiverse theory. Each thing that is changed results in a new timeline.

Proposal 3: The creation of a new timeline results in the universe attempting to reconcile by overlapping all the timelines together, destroying the universe.

Other proposals are welcome.

For those of you wondering, I support Proposal 3.
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Postby Digital Planets » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:02 pm

This is Bill.

Bill doesn't time travel because he could summon Cthulhu.

Bill is smart.

Be like Bill.
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Postby ADST World » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:04 pm

Digital Planets wrote:This is Bill.

Bill doesn't time travel because he could summon Cthulhu.

Bill is smart.

Be like Bill.


Not quite the point of the forum. Are you proposing that time travel could result in the existence of a theoretical transdimensional being?
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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:05 pm

Risottia wrote:Let's check with an experiment!



Evidently, no. Told ya.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:05 pm

Let's check with an experiment!
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Postby Valaran » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:05 pm

If we actually accept time travel to the past as possible (but that sort of defeats the point of trying to map its actual effects, since its not), I'd go with the multiverse theory as its the least confusing.

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Risottia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Let's check with an experiment!


Evidently, no. Told ya.


Risottia wrote:Let's check with an experiment!



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Postby Digital Planets » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:06 pm

ADST World wrote:
Digital Planets wrote:This is Bill.

Bill doesn't time travel because he could summon Cthulhu.

Bill is smart.

Be like Bill.


Not quite the point of the forum. Are you proposing that time travel could result in the existence of a theoretical transdimensional being?


No.
So you decide to open it anyway? What the heck, man?

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Postby ADST World » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:07 pm

Risottia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Let's check with an experiment!



Evidently, no. Told ya.


Question: Is this a new timeline, or an overwrite of the old one?
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ADST World wrote:
Risottia wrote:

Evidently, no. Told ya.


Question: Is this a new timeline, or an overwrite of the old one?


Would (have) make/made any difference? And if so, how will you be able / would you have been able to tell the difference?
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Postby Trotskylvania » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:10 pm

No, there is strong evidence to suggest that general relativity implies paradox free time travel in the form of closed timelike curves.

Time travel, if it exists and I'm not convinced it is possible, results in a situation where the transmission of information to the past results in the conditions through which that information was transmitted to the past. A causes B, B causes A.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:35 pm

A new timeline would start at the point you changed something. That is if you changed some event that no matter how tiny created an important ripple in time.
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:01 pm

I think it would be very very bad if you go back in time and change a historic event.
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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:13 pm

ADST World wrote:I was debating this with someone else earlier, and was wondering what you guys thought would happen if somebody tried to change the past.

Proposal 1: The future timeline is overwritten, resulting in a infinite paradoxical loop.

Proposal 2: Multiverse theory. Each thing that is changed results in a new timeline.

Proposal 3: The creation of a new timeline results in the universe attempting to reconcile by overlapping all the timelines together, destroying the universe.

Other proposals are welcome.

For those of you wondering, I support Proposal 3.


It's 2.
There's no such thing as 1 and 3.
It's not so easy (in fact it isn't possible) destroying the continuum.
More interesting are the (apparent) paradoxes originating from the outcomes of 2...
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Postby ADST World » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:14 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:I think it would be very very bad if you go back in time and change a historic event.


But is it "Time gets stuck in a loop bad" or "The universe is destroyed" bad?
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Postby Differing Opinions » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:27 pm

Its always been my understanding that all possibilities exist simultaneously, so time travel in and of itself doesnt accomplish much since the travelers universe is still limited to the results of probabilty they can actually observe for themselves. It would never be possible for any one of us to significanty affect the multiverse at large.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:33 pm

I've always liked the Multiverse theory. Don't know how it would actually work, but it's super cool and less depressing.
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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:51 pm

Eol Sha wrote:I've always liked the Multiverse theory. Don't know how it would actually work, but it's super cool and less depressing.


There actually two different theories, and hence further paradoxes:
In example: if infinite universes already exist before the travel, how we can create a whole new universe/timeline (the correct word is "bubble") by travelling back? That alternate "bubble" already exists before the travel, because the number of "bubbles" is infinite.
And, in all cases, you cannot change the past of the "bubble" you're departing from, nor even if you are going to thermonuclearize the whole Earth during the Tang Dynasty.
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Postby Rossene » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:34 pm

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Postby Settrah » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:42 pm

Sometimes I like to drive recklessly, just to kill off different versions of me in the multiverse.
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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:47 pm

Rossene wrote:I don't think time travel is possible, although I'll change my mind should I see actual evidence stating otherwise. I think the universe works like a video game, in a video game the only reason you can go backwards and change things is because the past state is being stored somewhere, there is information on how things once were. I think that in our universe past timelines are not stored and once an event happens it has already happened, its results are all that we have left.


What kind of evidence?
Seeing people travelling time?
That's very unlikely to see.

However it implies a lot of complications: in example since it's a time travel but not a spatial travel you have to calculate with great precision the exact position of the planets in the very exact moment of your arrival.
Unless you're in a spaceship or something you cannot simply travel from April 13, 2016 to April 10, 2016: three days ago the Earth was in another point of the space, so you would materialize in April 10, 2016 in the outerspace, not on the Earth: you would materialize in the same point you're in April 13, 2016, but the Earth is still travelling to reach such point.
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Postby Differing Opinions » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:47 pm

Settrah wrote:Sometimes I like to drive recklessly, just to kill off different versions of me in the multiverse.

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Risottia wrote:
ADST World wrote:
Question: Is this a new timeline, or an overwrite of the old one?


Would (have) make/made any difference? And if so, how will you be able / would you have been able to tell the difference?

I would.
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and then:
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Ha! Risottia cannot into time travel!
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Postby Mexar » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:00 pm

Time travel gave/gives/will give me a headache!

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:03 pm

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Besides, backwards time travel is impossible, silly.

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Postby The Intergalactic Russian Empire » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:04 pm

You forgot one.

Set timeline:

You can't change the past because you time travelling is already part of history. Want to go back in time and kill Hitler as a baby? The mere fact that Hitler was around means that somehow you failed to kill Hitler.
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