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If a federal election were held today, what party would you vote for?

Liberal
109
30%
Conservative
105
29%
NDP
79
22%
Bloc Québécois
22
6%
Green
26
7%
Other
11
3%
None of the above
12
3%
 
Total votes : 364

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:00 am

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
Camicon wrote:You are aware of what the word cuck means, right? You understand how saying "Trudeau cucked Canada" implies a great deal more than saying "Trudeau has broken his campaign promise about electoral reform"?

A campaign promise that many did not expect him to keep anyways I'll add.

Every politicians break promises.
Harper vowed to never appoint a Senator or run a deficit. He appointed 59 and ran the biggest deficits in Canadian history.

If we really dismissed every politician who broke a promise, we probably would not have any politicians left.
This is a mark on the Trudeau record, no doubt, but it's hardly the end of the world for him or his government, and dismissing him on this issue is pretty shitty because he actually has kept several of his other promises and in my humble opinion has done much better than many recent PM's and other contemporary leaders.


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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:04 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:This whole situation is pretty evident that Trudeau has a rather negative character, and deserves to be flamed by online shitposters.


No. He doesn't have one and really, at least he doesn't hang up on PM's from Australia.

That's Trumps job.

You seem to be under the impression that I am a Trump supporter. Otherwise I see no reason for these non sequiters.

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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:05 am

Camicon wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:What exactly are the parts of his character that I so unjustly offended lol

You are aware of what the word cuck means, right? You understand how saying "Trudeau cucked Canada" implies a great deal more than saying "Trudeau has broken his campaign promise about electoral reform"?

No, stop being vague. What are you taking objection to?

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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:08 am

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
Camicon wrote:You are aware of what the word cuck means, right? You understand how saying "Trudeau cucked Canada" implies a great deal more than saying "Trudeau has broken his campaign promise about electoral reform"?

A campaign promise that many did not expect him to keep anyways I'll add.

Every politicians break promises.
Harper vowed to never appoint a Senator or run a deficit. He appointed 59 and ran the biggest deficits in Canadian history.

If we really dismissed every politician who broke a promise, we probably would not have any politicians left.
This is a mark on the Trudeau record, no doubt, but it's hardly the end of the world for him or his government, and dismissing him on this issue is pretty shitty because he actually has kept several of his other promises and in my humble opinion has done much better than many recent PM's and other contemporary leaders.

You won't find me arguing that Harper wasn't a scumbag, either. This was a huge promise, that many supported the liberals over. Don't dismiss this as a non-important issue, it's incredibly important.

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:11 am

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
Camicon wrote:You are aware of what the word cuck means, right? You understand how saying "Trudeau cucked Canada" implies a great deal more than saying "Trudeau has broken his campaign promise about electoral reform"?

A campaign promise that many did not expect him to keep anyways I'll add.

Every politicians break promises.
Harper vowed to never appoint a Senator or run a deficit. He appointed 59 and ran the biggest deficits in Canadian history.

If we really dismissed every politician who broke a promise, we probably would not have any politicians left.
This is a mark on the Trudeau record, no doubt, but it's hardly the end of the world for him or his government, and dismissing him on this issue is pretty shitty because he actually has kept several of his other promises and in my humble opinion has done much better than many recent PM's and other contemporary leaders.

Except Harper had to run deficits to get the country out of a deficit that didn't exist when he first ran, there's nothing preventing Justin from at least trying to implement democratic reform.

And according to trudeaumetre, he's almost broken more promises than he's kept , I wouldn't say that's a sign of a great PM.
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Postby Camicon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:13 am

MERIZoC wrote:
Camicon wrote:You are aware of what the word cuck means, right? You understand how saying "Trudeau cucked Canada" implies a great deal more than saying "Trudeau has broken his campaign promise about electoral reform"?

No, stop being vague. What are you taking objection to?

I have been extremely clear about what I am taking objection to, I've not been even slightly vague about that.
Camicon wrote:Saying that Trudeau "cucked" us, with regards to electoral reform, is unnecessarily inflammatory and carries negative connotations with regards to Trudeau's character that are irrelevant to the matter (I probably could have worded that better).

But my point stands. Yeah, Trudeau has chosen to break his promise about electoral reform. You can launch a blistering critique of the man without resorting to loaded language. There are plenty of mean names you can throw his way that don't also carry a freight-train worth of baseless baggage.

Camicon wrote:Then attack the parts of his character that deserved to be attacked, and leave aside the parts that don't come into play. Lumping it all together does nothing but make some people ignore the criticism, and leave others less likely to listen to future criticisms. There's no reason for it other than personal gratification.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:16 am

"Cuck" is a fine word to describe Trudeau, imo. There has never been a more appropriate word than "cuck."
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Postby Camicon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:20 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:"Cuck" is a fine word to describe Trudeau, imo. There has never been a more appropriate word than "cuck."

If you think that "cuck" describes Trudeau then one of two things must be true: either you don't understand what "cuck" means, or you know it doesn't describe Trudeau and don't actually care.

But Merizoc didn't call Trudeau a cuck, he said that Trudeau cucked Canada. The two are different.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:21 am

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
Camicon wrote:You are aware of what the word cuck means, right? You understand how saying "Trudeau cucked Canada" implies a great deal more than saying "Trudeau has broken his campaign promise about electoral reform"?

A campaign promise that many did not expect him to keep anyways I'll add.

Every politicians break promises.
Harper vowed to never appoint a Senator or run a deficit. He appointed 59 and ran the biggest deficits in Canadian history.

If we really dismissed every politician who broke a promise, we probably would not have any politicians left.
This is a mark on the Trudeau record, no doubt, but it's hardly the end of the world for him or his government, and dismissing him on this issue is pretty shitty because he actually has kept several of his other promises and in my humble opinion has done much better than many recent PM's and other contemporary leaders.

Electoral reform was one of the core pillars of their "Fair and Open Government" platform. And tbh Trudeau is a middling leader at best, he's benefiting from having to be compared with Harper and now Trump.
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Postby Camicon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:24 am

Oneracon wrote:
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:A campaign promise that many did not expect him to keep anyways I'll add.

Every politicians break promises.
Harper vowed to never appoint a Senator or run a deficit. He appointed 59 and ran the biggest deficits in Canadian history.

If we really dismissed every politician who broke a promise, we probably would not have any politicians left.
This is a mark on the Trudeau record, no doubt, but it's hardly the end of the world for him or his government, and dismissing him on this issue is pretty shitty because he actually has kept several of his other promises and in my humble opinion has done much better than many recent PM's and other contemporary leaders.

Electoral reform was one of the core pillars of their "Fair and Open Government" platform. And tbh Trudeau is a middling leader at best, he's benefiting from having to be compared with Harper and now Trump.

Quite true. Unless he takes some risks and makes some significant changes before the next election I suspect that is what he will be remembered for.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:36 am

Camicon wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:"Cuck" is a fine word to describe Trudeau, imo. There has never been a more appropriate word than "cuck."

If you think that "cuck" describes Trudeau then one of two things must be true: either you don't understand what "cuck" means, or you know it doesn't describe Trudeau and don't actually care.

But Merizoc didn't call Trudeau a cuck, he said that Trudeau cucked Canada. The two are different.


Woah, someone is getting a lil passive aggressive there m8
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Postby Camicon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:37 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Camicon wrote:If you think that "cuck" describes Trudeau then one of two things must be true: either you don't understand what "cuck" means, or you know it doesn't describe Trudeau and don't actually care.

But Merizoc didn't call Trudeau a cuck, he said that Trudeau cucked Canada. The two are different.


Woah, someone is getting a lil passive aggressive there m8

If you think that's me being "passive aggressive", then you clearly don't know me.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:43 am

Camicon wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Electoral reform was one of the core pillars of their "Fair and Open Government" platform. And tbh Trudeau is a middling leader at best, he's benefiting from having to be compared with Harper and now Trump.

Quite true. Unless he takes some risks and makes some significant changes before the next election I suspect that is what he will be remembered for.

Can we resurrect Lester B. Pearson and have him lead the Liberals instead?
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:09 am

MERIZoC wrote:
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Rape might be a bit strong. IMO It's the political equivalent of your roommate buttfucking eating all of your birthday cake out of the shared fridge.

I prefer this

This is ridiculous. Breaking a political promise does not make one equivalent to a rapist. Is this what the far-left is becoming, Trump imitators with the insults? And calling people "cucks"?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:37 am

Oneracon wrote:
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:A campaign promise that many did not expect him to keep anyways I'll add.

Every politicians break promises.
Harper vowed to never appoint a Senator or run a deficit. He appointed 59 and ran the biggest deficits in Canadian history.

If we really dismissed every politician who broke a promise, we probably would not have any politicians left.
This is a mark on the Trudeau record, no doubt, but it's hardly the end of the world for him or his government, and dismissing him on this issue is pretty shitty because he actually has kept several of his other promises and in my humble opinion has done much better than many recent PM's and other contemporary leaders.

Electoral reform was one of the core pillars of their "Fair and Open Government" platform. And tbh Trudeau is a middling leader at best, he's benefiting from having to be compared with Harper and now Trump.


Don't compare Trudeau to that cheeto in a toupee.

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Postby AsReil » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:15 pm

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:16 pm

Asreil wrote:Why is Canada so liberal? Or is it just me?


We just like being center left.

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Postby Oneracon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:48 pm

Asreil wrote:Why is Canada so liberal? Or is it just me?

It depends on what definition of "liberal" you're using.
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Postby AsReil » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:50 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Asreil wrote:Why is Canada so liberal? Or is it just me?

It depends on what definition of "liberal" you're using.


More radical political leftism than general liberalism

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Postby Oneracon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:56 pm

Asreil wrote:
Oneracon wrote:It depends on what definition of "liberal" you're using.


More radical political leftism than general liberalism

And what definition of "leftism" are you using? Are we talking an actual definition like radical revolutionary/reformist politics, or just the snarl word?
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:00 pm

MERIZoC wrote:You won't find me arguing that Harper wasn't a scumbag, either. This was a huge promise, that many supported the liberals over. Don't dismiss this as a non-important issue, it's incredibly important.


You think so? Few if any Canadians voted for Trudeau based off it. There is disappointment now, but little surprise.

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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:02 pm

Asreil wrote:
Oneracon wrote:It depends on what definition of "liberal" you're using.


More radical political leftism than general liberalism

In that case, it's just you.
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Postby Collatis » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:04 pm

Asreil wrote:
Oneracon wrote:It depends on what definition of "liberal" you're using.


More radical political leftism than general liberalism

It's run by a generic centrist liberal. What do you think?

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:05 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
No. He doesn't have one and really, at least he doesn't hang up on PM's from Australia.

That's Trumps job.

You seem to be under the impression that I am a Trump supporter. Otherwise I see no reason for these non sequiters.


I'm not saying you are.

All I am saying is he is better then Trump.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:07 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:You seem to be under the impression that I am a Trump supporter. Otherwise I see no reason for these non sequiters.


I'm not saying you are.

All I am saying is he is better then Trump.

That's a low bar to set, we should aim higher for our leaders than just being "less terrible than the United States"
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