2017 Canadian Politics Megathread - Sesquicentennial Edition

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/newsalert-kevin-oleary-run-conservative-124331106.html

This is some kind of joke, right? Tories aren't going to actually vote for him just to shake things up, are they? The object of being Canada is not to make the same dumb mistakes we make next door, I thought.

I hope Canada doesn't make the same mistake. That would be very bad.

I won't vote for him if he is the Tory candidate.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/newsalert-kevin-oleary-run-conservative-124331106.html

This is some kind of joke, right? Tories aren't going to actually vote for him just to shake things up, are they? The object of being Canada is not to make the same dumb mistakes we make next door, I thought.

I doubt it. Previous polling indicated that he was tied with Peter MacKay, who is about as mainstream as you can get in the Tories and also not running this year. I suspect his popularity is, as the poll suggested, more that more people know who O'Leary is (courtesy of his tv show) than the rest of the candidates. Time will tell, though.

[Union of Despotistan]

I'm personally all in with Max Bernier.

I think he'S the best candidate to harmonize our economy with what Trump wants to do in the USA. Both understand the tax burden is too high and that Canada-USA cooperation is highly important for each other's economy.

[Geilinor]

I'm personally all in with Max Bernier.

I think he'S the best candidate to harmonize our economy with what Trump wants to do in the USA. Both understand the tax burden is too high and that Canada-USA cooperation is highly important for each other's economy.

I don't think Trump understands the importance of Canada-USA cooperation. He hasn't gotten off to a good start with US allies.

[Union of Despotistan]

I'm personally all in with Max Bernier.

I think he'S the best candidate to harmonize our economy with what Trump wants to do in the USA. Both understand the tax burden is too high and that Canada-USA cooperation is highly important for each other's economy.

I don't think Trump understands the importance of Canada-USA cooperation. He hasn't gotten off to a good start with US allies.

I think Trump makes a difference between Canada and Canadian politicians.

If I were Trump, I'd try to show the world how much of a corrupted cuck Trudeau is too.

[Geilinor]

I don't think Trump understands the importance of Canada-USA cooperation. He hasn't gotten off to a good start with US allies.

I think Trump makes a difference between Canada and Canadian politicians.

If I were Trump, I'd try to show the world how much of a corrupted cuck Trudeau is too.

Why should he do that? It would be counterproductive.

[Union of Despotistan]

I think Trump makes a difference between Canada and Canadian politicians.

If I were Trump, I'd try to show the world how much of a corrupted cuck Trudeau is too.

Why should he do that? It would be counterproductive.

To me, it's not about why he should or not; Trump will continue to have a big mouth.

Trump indeed, almost never talked about Canada in his speechs. But he did it a very few times. And almost all the times, except when he was talking about our public healthcare, he did not attacked our country or our economy. He even mentioned a few time how close of a relation we have between our 2 nations.
And that, is the important thing to my eyes.

There are propaganda pieces on the web by the leftist media trying to make him look bad to Canadian point of views, but I think people now see trough all the lies.

[Oneracon]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/newsalert-kevin-oleary-run-conservative-124331106.html

This is some kind of joke, right? Tories aren't going to actually vote for him just to shake things up, are they? The object of being Canada is not to make the same dumb mistakes we make next door, I thought.

I doubt it. Previous polling indicated that he was tied with Peter MacKay, who is about as mainstream as you can get in the Tories and also not running this year. I suspect his popularity is, as the poll suggested, more that more people know who O'Leary is (courtesy of his tv show) than the rest of the candidates. Time will tell, though.

People keep saying O'Leary will be the Canadian version Trump, but he's not... it's Leitch that has firmly staked out that position. O'Leary is just a run-of-the-mill cutthroat capitalist blowhard.

Though the attack ads write themselves, just repurpose the Conservative attacks on Ignatieff. "Kevin O'Leary: He didn't come back for you"

[Camicon]

Why should he do that? It would be counterproductive.

To me, it's not about why he should or not; Trump will continue to have a big mouth.

Trump indeed, almost never talked about Canada in his speechs. But he did it a very few times. And almost all the times, except when he was talking about our public healthcare, he did not attacked our country or our economy. He even mentioned a few time how close of a relation we have between our 2 nations.
And that, is the important thing to my eyes.

There are propaganda pieces on the web by the leftist media trying to make him look bad to Canadian point of views, but I think people now see trough all the lies.

Trump is horrific to the American right-wing, and the American right-wing was already horrific to most Canadians. It is generally agreed upon, at least by every Canadian I've met, that Trump is either a dumpster fire or one stray spark away from becoming one. And the polling agrees with me.

Less than a week out from the election 80% of Canadians feared a Donald Trump presidency. Polls vary slightly, but they all hover around that 75-80% mark.

We already see through all the lies, because we haven't been lambasted 24/7 for the last eight years by shit news like FOX.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

To me, it's not about why he should or not; Trump will continue to have a big mouth.

Trump indeed, almost never talked about Canada in his speechs. But he did it a very few times. And almost all the times, except when he was talking about our public healthcare, he did not attacked our country or our economy. He even mentioned a few time how close of a relation we have between our 2 nations.
And that, is the important thing to my eyes.

There are propaganda pieces on the web by the leftist media trying to make him look bad to Canadian point of views, but I think people now see trough all the lies.

Trump is horrific to the American right-wing, and the American right-wing was already horrific to most Canadians. It is generally agreed upon, at least by every Canadian I've met, that Trump is either a dumpster fire or one stray spark away from becoming one. And the polling agrees with me.

Less than a week out from the election 80% of Canadians feared a Donald Trump presidency. Polls vary slightly, but they all hover around that 75-80% mark.

We already see through all the lies, because we haven't been lambasted 24/7 for the last eight years by shit news like FOX.

Yep.

If the conservatives choose him, he is going down.

[The Liberated Territories]

I'm personally all in with Max Bernier.

I think he'S the best candidate to harmonize our economy with what Trump wants to do in the USA. Both understand the tax burden is too high and that Canada-USA cooperation is highly important for each other's economy.

i agree

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

People keep saying O'Leary will be the Canadian version Trump, but he's not... it's Leitch that has firmly staked out that position. O'Leary is just a run-of-the-mill cutthroat capitalist blowhard.

I'm not sure Leitch has the staying power to keep that position, though. Funny as it is I think she's actually too savvy and not loud-mouthed enough to fit the bill - put in her place, I don't think O'Leary would waffle like she has on what exactly 'Canadian values' are, for instance. And that's what gets media headlines and attention. You don't necessarily have to be Trump policy-wise, just learn to command the media like he has and the narrative will construct itself.

Though the attack ads write themselves, just repurpose the Conservative attacks on Ignatieff. "Kevin O'Leary: He didn't come back for you"

Yeah. And unlike Trump, he'd be facing someone who has the media chops and charisma to stick the charges.

[Oneracon]

I'm personally all in with Max Bernier.

I think he'S the best candidate to harmonize our economy with what Trump wants to do in the USA. Both understand the tax burden is too high and that Canada-USA cooperation is highly important for each other's economy.

i agree

He's running on a campaign of ending single-payer healthcare, aside from the diehard privatization crowd that usually is political suicide.

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People keep saying O'Leary will be the Canadian version Trump, but he's not... it's Leitch that has firmly staked out that position. O'Leary is just a run-of-the-mill cutthroat capitalist blowhard.

I'm not sure Leitch has the staying power to keep that position, though. Funny as it is I think she's actually too savvy and not loud-mouthed enough to fit the bill - put in her place, I don't think O'Leary would waffle like she has on what exactly 'Canadian values' are, for instance. And that's what gets media headlines and attention. You don't necessarily have to be Trump policy-wise, just learn to command the media like he has and the narrative will construct itself.

Though the attack ads write themselves, just repurpose the Conservative attacks on Ignatieff. "Kevin O'Leary: He didn't come back for you"

Yeah. And unlike Trump, he'd be facing someone who has the media chops and charisma to stick the charges.

He's certainly bombastic enough, but he's already seemingly disavowing Leitch-Trumpism with his comments about avoiding divisive rhetoric, etc. Though I agree entirely that he knows how to play the media... since that's been his job for a while.

[The Liberated Territories]

i agree

He's running on a campaign of ending single-payer healthcare, aside from the diehard privatization crowd that usually is political suicide.

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I'm not sure Leitch has the staying power to keep that position, though. Funny as it is I think she's actually too savvy and not loud-mouthed enough to fit the bill - put in her place, I don't think O'Leary would waffle like she has on what exactly 'Canadian values' are, for instance. And that's what gets media headlines and attention. You don't necessarily have to be Trump policy-wise, just learn to command the media like he has and the narrative will construct itself.



Yeah. And unlike Trump, he'd be facing someone who has the media chops and charisma to stick the charges.

He's certainly bombastic enough, but he's already seemingly disavowing Leitch-Trumpism with his comments about avoiding divisive rhetoric, etc. Though I agree entirely that he knows how to play the media... since that's been his job for a while.

Doesn't seem to have affected him much in the polls https://www.hilltimes.com/2016/10/20/ma ... bers/84859

Edit: forgot there was a subscription block, derp. Hang on

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I doubt it. Previous polling indicated that he was tied with Peter MacKay, who is about as mainstream as you can get in the Tories and also not running this year. I suspect his popularity is, as the poll suggested, more that more people know who O'Leary is (courtesy of his tv show) than the rest of the candidates. Time will tell, though.

People keep saying O'Leary will be the Canadian version Trump, but he's not... it's Leitch that has firmly staked out that position. O'Leary is just a run-of-the-mill cutthroat capitalist blowhard.

Though the attack ads write themselves, just repurpose the Conservative attacks on Ignatieff. "Kevin O'Leary: He didn't come back for you"

Exactly, Leitch is probably the most disgusting figure in the Canadian political scene right now. Jim Flaherty would be terribly ashamed.

O'Leary, as terrible as he is, is mainly concerned with making money. Race, and other demagoguery is likely not his bag.

Despite being a Liberal, I think the Tories best choice would probably be Raitt. If she can clean up her french, she is a solid, centrist, capable choice.

[Nation of Quebec]

If the Tories were smart, they would go with someone like Bernier or Chong. Neither of them are tainted by Harper or racist policies. Both are centrist enough to possibly win over soft Liberal voters.

Also, I updated the thread with a new title. Any ideas for a new poll?

[The Liberated Territories]

If the Tories were smart, they would go with someone like Bernier or Chong. Neither of them are tainted by Harper or racist policies. Both are centrist enough to possibly win over soft Liberal voters.

Also, I updated the thread with a new title. Any ideas for a new poll?

Conservative leadership preferences

[Ainin]

Despite being a Liberal, I think the Tories best choice would probably be Raitt. If she can clean up her french, she is a solid, centrist, capable choice.

To be honest, I feel like "speaking French" is exaggerated as a prerequisite for becoming Tory leader. Stephen Harper's French was atrocious and his performance in the French debates consisted of memorizing a handful of talking points, reciting them, and then shutting up for the rest of the debate.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Despite being a Liberal, I think the Tories best choice would probably be Raitt. If she can clean up her french, she is a solid, centrist, capable choice.

To be honest, I feel like "speaking French" is exaggerated as a prerequisite for becoming Tory leader. Stephen Harper's French was atrocious and his performance in the French debates consisted of memorizing a handful of talking points, reciting them, and then shutting up for the rest of the debate.

True enough, it is simply much easier to win a majority by winning at least a handful of seats in Quebec.

[Ainin]

To be honest, I feel like "speaking French" is exaggerated as a prerequisite for becoming Tory leader. Stephen Harper's French was atrocious and his performance in the French debates consisted of memorizing a handful of talking points, reciting them, and then shutting up for the rest of the debate.

True enough, it is simply much easier to win a majority by winning at least a handful of seats in Quebec.

Yeah, and unless something unusual happens, the Tories will indefinitely retain their seats in eastern Saguenay and the Bas-Saint-Laurent.

Although I've always found it weird that the Tories hold half the seats in Saguenay, given that it's the heartland of the sovereignist movement.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Anyone have any opinions of the 2017 BC provincial elections? It'll be the first election that I will be able to vote in, so ill definitely be even more obsessed than I would usually be.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Anyone have any opinions of the 2017 BC provincial elections? It'll be the first election that I will be able to vote in, so ill definitely be even more obsessed than I would usually be.

I didn't even know there was that going on.

[Major-Tom]

Anyone have any opinions of the 2017 BC provincial elections? It'll be the first election that I will be able to vote in, so ill definitely be even more obsessed than I would usually be.

Conservatives

[Geilinor]

Anyone have any opinions of the 2017 BC provincial elections? It'll be the first election that I will be able to vote in, so ill definitely be even more obsessed than I would usually be.

Conservatives

BC Liberals, you mean? The Conservatives basically don't exist provincially.

[Kholdlands]

Any ideas for a new poll?

What about: Do you still support the same party you backed in the election?
-Yes
-No
-Unsure
-I'll wait till I know who's heading the parties in the next election

Or something similar, be interesting now that the honeymoon phase for the leaders/parties (particularly Trudeau) is now over.