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If a federal election were held today, what party would you vote for?

Liberal
109
30%
Conservative
105
29%
NDP
79
22%
Bloc Québécois
22
6%
Green
26
7%
Other
11
3%
None of the above
12
3%
 
Total votes : 364

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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:13 pm

Trudeau faces backlash after Castro tribute
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fidel-castro-trudeau-condolences-1.3869280

Hmmmm, where were all these cries of outrage from the Tories after this?

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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:32 pm

Merizoc wrote:Trudeau faces backlash after Castro tribute
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fidel-castro-trudeau-condolences-1.3869280

Hmmmm, where were all these cries of outrage from the Tories after this?


To some extent I think the Tories would have bashed Trudeau no matter what he said. Doubly so considering the Trudeau clan's unique relationship with Cuba. That kind of opening is hard to ignore.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:41 pm

Merizoc wrote:Trudeau faces backlash after Castro tribute
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fidel-castro-trudeau-condolences-1.3869280

Hmmmm, where were all these cries of outrage from the Tories after this?


They would have attacked him no matter what.

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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:48 pm

Merizoc wrote:Trudeau faces backlash after Castro tribute
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fidel-castro-trudeau-condolences-1.3869280

Hmmmm, where were all these cries of outrage from the Tories after this?

I stopped reading the article after seeing Kellie Leitch's embedded tweet, and yelling "FUCK YOU AND YOUR 'CANADIAN VALUES'" at my computer.

If she wins the leadership race, I will be beyond pissed.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:54 pm

Camicon wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Trudeau faces backlash after Castro tribute
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fidel-castro-trudeau-condolences-1.3869280

Hmmmm, where were all these cries of outrage from the Tories after this?

I stopped reading the article after seeing Kellie Leitch's embedded tweet, and yelling "FUCK YOU AND YOUR 'CANADIAN VALUES'" at my computer.

If she wins the leadership race, I will be beyond pissed.


Don't be mad, get motivated to campaign for another 4 years of Trudeau. Or just for him again.

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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:59 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Camicon wrote:I stopped reading the article after seeing Kellie Leitch's embedded tweet, and yelling "FUCK YOU AND YOUR 'CANADIAN VALUES'" at my computer.

If she wins the leadership race, I will be beyond pissed.


Don't be mad, get motivated to campaign for another 4 years of Trudeau. Or just for him again.

How 'bout both?
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Postby Kergstan » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:59 pm

I'm really not into centre-left politicians but i kinda like Justin Trudeau.
Is he reforming the liberals or their polices has been similar in previous governments?

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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:07 pm

Kergstan wrote:I'm really not into centre-left politicians but i kinda like Justin Trudeau.
Is he reforming the liberals or their polices has been similar in previous governments?

https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/

This gives you a rundown of every campaign promise the Liberals made, as well as whether or not they've broken or achieved them. *Now with a fancy new analytics page.*
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:09 pm

Camicon wrote:
Kergstan wrote:I'm really not into centre-left politicians but i kinda like Justin Trudeau.
Is he reforming the liberals or their polices has been similar in previous governments?

https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/

This gives you a rundown of every campaign promise the Liberals made, as well as whether or not they've broken or achieved them. *Now with a fancy new analytics page.*


So far, so good. :)

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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:18 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Camicon wrote:https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/

This gives you a rundown of every campaign promise the Liberals made, as well as whether or not they've broken or achieved them. *Now with a fancy new analytics page.*


So far, so good. :)

At current rates they "break" a promise about every fourteen days, and "achieve" a promise about every ten. If those rates stay constant for another five years every campaign promise the Liberals made will be reached, and we'll see a roughly 60/40 split on achieved vs broken promises.

Not sure whether or not that's a good report card for them, considering I have no idea how previous governments have performed.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:23 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So far, so good. :)

At current rates they "break" a promise about every fourteen days, and "achieve" a promise about every ten. If those rates stay constant for another five years every campaign promise the Liberals made will be reached, and we'll see a roughly 60/40 split on achieved vs broken promises.

Not sure whether or not that's a good report card for them, considering I have no idea how previous governments have performed.

The stuff in progress looks good.

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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:25 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Camicon wrote:At current rates they "break" a promise about every fourteen days, and "achieve" a promise about every ten. If those rates stay constant for another five years every campaign promise the Liberals made will be reached, and we'll see a roughly 60/40 split on achieved vs broken promises.

Not sure whether or not that's a good report card for them, considering I have no idea how previous governments have performed.

The stuff in progress looks good.

All I'm saying is that they'd be getting a pretty solid 'D' if I had to grade them right now. I'd like to see that improve, for no other reason than that. A party that can't deliver on, say, 70% of the promises it makes during a campaign isn't one that I trust to govern.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:28 pm

Camicon wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So far, so good. :)

At current rates they "break" a promise about every fourteen days, and "achieve" a promise about every ten. If those rates stay constant for another five years every campaign promise the Liberals made will be reached, and we'll see a roughly 60/40 split on achieved vs broken promises.

Not sure whether or not that's a good report card for them, considering I have no idea how previous governments have performed.

They shouldn't have promised to do things "immediately" or "every year", that's where most of the broken promises are coming from.
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Postby Camicon » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:31 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Camicon wrote:At current rates they "break" a promise about every fourteen days, and "achieve" a promise about every ten. If those rates stay constant for another five years every campaign promise the Liberals made will be reached, and we'll see a roughly 60/40 split on achieved vs broken promises.

Not sure whether or not that's a good report card for them, considering I have no idea how previous governments have performed.

They shouldn't have promised to do things "immediately" or "every year", that's where most of the broken promises are coming from.

Yeah, like the Syrian refugee one. It took them a little longer than expected, but they ended up bringing in more than they promised, as i recall.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:27 am

Camicon wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So far, so good. :)

At current rates they "break" a promise about every fourteen days, and "achieve" a promise about every ten. If those rates stay constant for another five years every campaign promise the Liberals made will be reached, and we'll see a roughly 60/40 split on achieved vs broken promises.

Not sure whether or not that's a good report card for them, considering I have no idea how previous governments have performed.

Not sure if that's good in Canada, but it's certainly good when you compare it to the politicians down here in the US. If he can follow through on 60%, he gets an applause. :clap:
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Postby Camicon » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:43 am

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Camicon wrote:At current rates they "break" a promise about every fourteen days, and "achieve" a promise about every ten. If those rates stay constant for another five years every campaign promise the Liberals made will be reached, and we'll see a roughly 60/40 split on achieved vs broken promises.

Not sure whether or not that's a good report card for them, considering I have no idea how previous governments have performed.

Not sure if that's good in Canada, but it's certainly good when you compare it to the politicians down here in the US. If he can follow through on 60%, he gets an applause. :clap:

Like I said, I have no idea whether or not that's a good performance, because I don't know if anyone has tracked campaign promises like that for a previous government.
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:24 pm

Man, the Liberals really are going for the gold in backpedaling. Electoral reform is literally the one promise that all those NDP, Green, etc. voters (including myself) who held their nose and voted Liberal cared about... and judging by this it doesn't look good.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:32 pm

Oneracon wrote:Man, the Liberals really are going for the gold in backpedaling. Electoral reform is literally the one promise that all those NDP, Green, etc. voters (including myself) who held their nose and voted Liberal cared about... and judging by this it doesn't look good.

End first-past-the-post voting system and explore alternative options is in progress.

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Postby Camicon » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:48 pm

Oneracon wrote:Man, the Liberals really are going for the gold in backpedaling. Electoral reform is literally the one promise that all those NDP, Green, etc. voters (including myself) who held their nose and voted Liberal cared about... and judging by this it doesn't look good.

The committee isn't supposed to deliver it's final report to the House until December 1st. Try to hold on to your complaints until then.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:55 pm

Camicon wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Man, the Liberals really are going for the gold in backpedaling. Electoral reform is literally the one promise that all those NDP, Green, etc. voters (including myself) who held their nose and voted Liberal cared about... and judging by this it doesn't look good.

The committee isn't supposed to deliver it's final report to the House until December 1st. Try to hold on to your complaints until then.

God forbid anyone make predictions.

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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:57 pm

Oneracon wrote:Man, the Liberals really are going for the gold in backpedaling. Electoral reform is literally the one promise that all those NDP, Green, etc. voters (including myself) who held their nose and voted Liberal cared about... and judging by this it doesn't look good.


Trudeau will not further pursue electoral reform, calling it. Seriously, why anyone still trusts him fully at this point is beyond me.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:04 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Man, the Liberals really are going for the gold in backpedaling. Electoral reform is literally the one promise that all those NDP, Green, etc. voters (including myself) who held their nose and voted Liberal cared about... and judging by this it doesn't look good.


Trudeau will not further pursue electoral reform, calling it. Seriously, why anyone still trusts him fully at this point is beyond me.

Ban partisan government ads, in progress, End first-past-the-post voting system and explore alternative options., in progress.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:06 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Trudeau will not further pursue electoral reform, calling it. Seriously, why anyone still trusts him fully at this point is beyond me.

Ban partisan government ads, in progress, End first-past-the-post voting system and explore alternative options., in progress.

Yes, we understand that you can post a nifty little tool that someone else linked halfway up the page. "In progress" doesn't mean anything lol.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:10 pm

Merizoc wrote:

Yes, we understand that you can post a nifty little tool that someone else linked halfway up the page. "In progress" doesn't mean anything lol.

In progress, means exactly what it sounds, it's in the process of being completed.

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