2017 Canadian Politics Megathread - Sesquicentennial Edition

[Major-Tom]

I said it multiples times before. I would never support a political party that supports State multiculturalism, affirmative action and mass migration the way the Liberals do. It actually was one of the main reasons why I stopped my membership of the Conservative party. They became "Liberals light" in those departments and it made me sick. That + their unconditional support of Israel.

Liberals put regulations, taxes (like carbon tax), and deficits everywhere and it hinders the economy.

A) Whats wrong with Multiculturalism? Its been a proud tradition for all Canadian governments since the 60's essentially. Affirmative action? Please explain that one too. Mass Migration? You do realize Canada was literally built by immigrants, like the US, and they actually provide us with plenty of economic benefits? Now if you are talking about Refugee's, I also do not understand why thats such a big issue. We have admitted 40,000 into our country with basically no incidents.

B) We can agree on that. Harper destroyed Canada's natural role as a peaceful arbiter and facilitator in that region due to his fetish over Israel.

C) Sources? Regulation? What examples do you have? How are they going to hurt the economy? BC has had a carbon Tax for years and our economy is one of the strongest in the nation. And if you are really worried about these deficits, Ill remind you how the Tories squandered the Chretien/Martin surpluses, and then failed for years to balance the books for years afterwards. Not to mention, the past year has been a relatively healthy one for the Canadian economy; 200,000 jobs created over the year, and that a majority of Canadians are fine with the continued deficits.

I want to add one point on multiculturalism.

I'm fine with immigration, your immigration system is pretty decent, a lot of skilled workers from China, India, Pakistan, and Haiti entered your country with few problems. But - multiculturalism doesn't encourage integration and increases tensions. When I was in Vancouver, for instance, I saw many integrated neighborhoods, but others where people didn't speak a lick of English, which is bad for societal cohesion. Stuff like that needs to be discourages, and it isn't an inherently Canadian thing either.

I'll also add that Israel is the freest country in the Middle East, so supporting Israel is in the best interest of the West. Harper wasn't a good PM, but when people act like he was a fucking ass, I disagree, because he wasn't horrible.

[Major-Tom]

On the topic of refugees, they seem to be doing better in Canada than in say, Germany or Sweden. I honestly cannot say why that is.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

A) Whats wrong with Multiculturalism? Its been a proud tradition for all Canadian governments since the 60's essentially. Affirmative action? Please explain that one too. Mass Migration? You do realize Canada was literally built by immigrants, like the US, and they actually provide us with plenty of economic benefits? Now if you are talking about Refugee's, I also do not understand why thats such a big issue. We have admitted 40,000 into our country with basically no incidents.

B) We can agree on that. Harper destroyed Canada's natural role as a peaceful arbiter and facilitator in that region due to his fetish over Israel.

C) Sources? Regulation? What examples do you have? How are they going to hurt the economy? BC has had a carbon Tax for years and our economy is one of the strongest in the nation. And if you are really worried about these deficits, Ill remind you how the Tories squandered the Chretien/Martin surpluses, and then failed for years to balance the books for years afterwards. Not to mention, the past year has been a relatively healthy one for the Canadian economy; 200,000 jobs created over the year, and that a majority of Canadians are fine with the continued deficits.

I want to add one point on multiculturalism.

I'm fine with immigration, your immigration system is pretty decent, a lot of skilled workers from China, India, Pakistan, and Haiti entered your country with few problems. But - multiculturalism doesn't encourage integration and increases tensions. When I was in Vancouver, for instance, I saw many integrated neighborhoods, but others where people didn't speak a lick of English, which is bad for societal cohesion. Stuff like that needs to be discouraged, and it isn't an inherently Canadian thing either.

I'll also add that Israel is the freest country in the Middle East, so supporting Israel is in the best interest of the West. Harper wasn't a good PM, but when people act like he was a fucking ass, I disagree, because he wasn't horrible.

The issue with that however is demanding integration for adults is difficult, but I understand the frustration. I work in retail, I have served customers who do not speak english, and grunt or snap to get my attention, and it is annoying. However, after that first generation, the level of integration is much higher, and there are many more immigrants who do speak english and have adapted to Canadian society than have not. Its not as if they never integrate, it happens slowly, and I have seen it first hand.
In our Highschools, almost every student who had immigrant parents was able to speak decent english, and most were fluent.

As for Harper, he was pretty much an ass. He was probably one of the most undemocratic Prime Minister's in our history, gutted out environmental programs and muzzled our scientists. Demonize parliament and the opposition, appointed 58 Senators after swearing to never appoint one, killed off the large Liberal surpluses after promising to never run a deficit, and got into a fight with the Chief Justice.
Was he competent? Oh yes. Was he intelligent? For sure. Was he an ass? Undeniably.

[Union of Despotistan]

I said it multiples times before. I would never support a political party that supports State multiculturalism, affirmative action and mass migration the way the Liberals do. It actually was one of the main reasons why I stopped my membership of the Conservative party. They became "Liberals light" in those departments and it made me sick. That + their unconditional support of Israel.

Liberals put regulations, taxes (like carbon tax), and deficits everywhere and it hinders the economy.

A) Whats wrong with Multiculturalism? Its been a proud tradition for all Canadian governments since the 60's essentially. Affirmative action? Please explain that one too. Mass Migration? You do realize Canada was literally built by immigrants, like the US, and they actually provide us with plenty of economic benefits? Now if you are talking about Refugee's, I also do not understand why thats such a big issue. We have admitted 40,000 into our country with basically no incidents.

B) We can agree on that. Harper destroyed Canada's natural role as a peaceful arbiter and facilitator in that region due to his fetish over Israel.

C) Sources? Regulation? What examples do you have? How are they going to hurt the economy? BC has had a carbon Tax for years and our economy is one of the strongest in the nation. And if you are really worried about these deficits, Ill remind you how the Tories squandered the Chretien/Martin surpluses, and then failed for years to balance the books for years afterwards.

A) State multiculturalism is an idea coming from Trudeau father, it was implanted in the mid 70's. Not the 60's. It was imposed upon us in a undemocratic way and only millennials who never knew anything else now massively supports the idea. Would it have been put tru a referendum at the time, it would have never passed.
After almost 5 decades of propaganda, now it changed. Obviously people tend to support it. Propaganda works that way.

c) A 20 Billion extra debt a year hinders the economy. All those liberal globalists saying our debt is not a big matter are wrong and they generally profit from the chaos it generate. I honestly feel you just seek to stall the conversation here; we all read the news, I'm not going to list all the stupid things the Liberals did. I told ou about carbon tax, the terrible extra debt burden imposed upon us.
I personally not see BC as a positive image to follow with the Chinese invasion neither.

Actually, I could go ahead and say the 300 000 migrants coming here hinders the economy too as the country's unemployment very high, especially here in Quebec, and the technological advances will only continue see robots replace low paying jobs. So we do not need all those people coming here and competing the unemployed poor we already have to take care of.

Only a guy like Bernier, with is very libertarian economic ways, can happily harmonize our tax code with the one Trump is about to make in the US. Of course he'S not perfect. He's supporting those massive free trade treaty that includes dozen of nations, he still wants migration by the hundreds of thousands. But his numbers are still lower than the Libs. To me it's a good start.

[Major-Tom]

I want to add one point on multiculturalism.

I'm fine with immigration, your immigration system is pretty decent, a lot of skilled workers from China, India, Pakistan, and Haiti entered your country with few problems. But - multiculturalism doesn't encourage integration and increases tensions. When I was in Vancouver, for instance, I saw many integrated neighborhoods, but others where people didn't speak a lick of English, which is bad for societal cohesion. Stuff like that needs to be discouraged, and it isn't an inherently Canadian thing either.

I'll also add that Israel is the freest country in the Middle East, so supporting Israel is in the best interest of the West. Harper wasn't a good PM, but when people act like he was a fucking ass, I disagree, because he wasn't horrible.

The issue with that however is demanding integration for adults is difficult, but I understand the frustration. I work in retail, I have served customers who do not speak english, and grunt or snap to get my attention, and it is annoying. However, after that first generation, the level of integration is much higher, and there are many more immigrants who do speak english and have adapted to Canadian society than have not. Its not as if they never integrate, it happens slowly, and I have seen it first hand.
In our Highschools, almost every student who had immigrant parents was able to speak decent english, and most were fluent.

As for Harper, he was pretty much an ass. He was probably one of the most undemocratic Prime Minister's in our history, gutted out environmental programs and muzzled our scientists. Demonize parliament and the opposition, appointed 58 Senators after swearing to never appoint one, killed off the large Liberal surpluses after promising to never run a deficit, and got into a fight with the Chief Justice.
Was he competent? Oh yes. Was he intelligent? For sure. Was he an ass? Undeniably.

Same in the US - I have to speak Spanish for that very reason, since I live close to the border.

Yeah, his policies on climate change sucked. Economically speaking, he wasn't horrible though, and he never really went through with his ideas on social policies.

Trudeau is pretty crappy too, well intentioned, but spineless, arrogant, and incompetent. I'm a conservative, and I imagine Mulcair would've been better than Harper or Trudeau.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

A) Whats wrong with Multiculturalism? Its been a proud tradition for all Canadian governments since the 60's essentially. Affirmative action? Please explain that one too. Mass Migration? You do realize Canada was literally built by immigrants, like the US, and they actually provide us with plenty of economic benefits? Now if you are talking about Refugee's, I also do not understand why thats such a big issue. We have admitted 40,000 into our country with basically no incidents.

B) We can agree on that. Harper destroyed Canada's natural role as a peaceful arbiter and facilitator in that region due to his fetish over Israel.

C) Sources? Regulation? What examples do you have? How are they going to hurt the economy? BC has had a carbon Tax for years and our economy is one of the strongest in the nation. And if you are really worried about these deficits, Ill remind you how the Tories squandered the Chretien/Martin surpluses, and then failed for years to balance the books for years afterwards.

A) State multiculturalism is an idea coming from Trudeau father, it was implanted in the mid 70's. Not the 60's. It was imposed upon us in a undemocratic way and only millennials who never knew anything else now massively supports the idea. Would it have been put tru a referendum at the time, it would have never passed.
After almost 5 decades of propaganda, now it changed. Obviously people tend to support it. Propaganda works that way.

c) A 20 Billion extra debt a year hinders the economy. All those liberal globalists saying our debt is not a big matter are wrong and they generally profit from the chaos it generate. I honestly feel you just seek to stall the conversation here; we all read the news, I'm not going to list all the stupid things the Liberals did. I told ou about carbon tax, the terrible extra debt burden imposed upon us.
I personally not see BC as a positive image to follow with the Chinese invasion neither.

Actually, I could go ahead and say the 300 000 migrants coming here hinders the economy too as the country's unemployment very high, especially here in Quebec, and the technological advances will only continue see robots replace low paying jobs. So we do not need all those people coming here and competing the unemployed poor we already have to take care of.

Only a guy like Bernier, with is very libertarian economic ways, can happily harmonize our tax code with the one Trump is about to make in the US. Of course he'S not perfect. He's supporting those massive free trade treaty that includes dozen of nations, he still wants migration by the hundreds of thousands. But his numbers are still lower than the Libs. To me it's a good start.

A) Imposed in an undemocratic way? I forgot Trudeau seized power in a military coup rather than a democratic election, processes he won four times mind you.

B) No, its called asking for evidence. You made a claim, you have yet to provide evidence for that claims, its how debates work. Saying "We all see the news," does not back up what you are saying, and your refusal to give any evidence is not reassuring me that you have any facts to give. Telling me about "the Carbon Tax," and the Deficits do not automatically make them either evidence or bad.

C) Wow, that's really ignorant and offensive of you.

D) Can I have evidence for this too please, or is that stalling the conversation? I agree, most job losses are due to automation, but you need to back up your claims about immigration.

[Ragusan North America]

Okay, so before this thread descends any further into snowflake wars about social policy, I'd just like to mention that at least one candidate for NDP leadership has come out strongly in favour of GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. I support this but I'm a little discouraged by the lack of a detailed plan esp. concerning funding. Anyway the guy's name is Guy Caron and the deadline for us unaffiliated to do anything about it is August 17th. Anybody have any thoughts?

[Major-Tom]

Okay, so before this thread descends any further into snowflake wars about social policy, I'd just like to mention that at least one candidate for NDP leadership has come out strongly in favour of GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. I support this but I'm a little discouraged by the lack of a detailed plan esp. concerning funding. Anyway the guy's name is Guy Caron and the deadline for us unaffiliated to do anything about it is August 17th. Anybody have any thoughts?

UBI cannot exist without less state spending on welfare, or scrapping welfare entirely. Otherwise, it is futile and leads to ridiculous deficits, we can infer that through mathematics alone.

[Union of Despotistan]

A) Whats wrong with Multiculturalism? Its been a proud tradition for all Canadian governments since the 60's essentially. Affirmative action? Please explain that one too. Mass Migration? You do realize Canada was literally built by immigrants, like the US, and they actually provide us with plenty of economic benefits? Now if you are talking about Refugee's, I also do not understand why thats such a big issue. We have admitted 40,000 into our country with basically no incidents.

B) We can agree on that. Harper destroyed Canada's natural role as a peaceful arbiter and facilitator in that region due to his fetish over Israel.

C) Sources? Regulation? What examples do you have? How are they going to hurt the economy? BC has had a carbon Tax for years and our economy is one of the strongest in the nation. And if you are really worried about these deficits, Ill remind you how the Tories squandered the Chretien/Martin surpluses, and then failed for years to balance the books for years afterwards. Not to mention, the past year has been a relatively healthy one for the Canadian economy; 200,000 jobs created over the year, and that a majority of Canadians are fine with the continued deficits.

I want to add one point on multiculturalism.

I'm fine with immigration, your immigration system is pretty decent, a lot of skilled workers from China, India, Pakistan, and Haiti entered your country with few problems. But - multiculturalism doesn't encourage integration and increases tensions. When I was in Vancouver, for instance, I saw many integrated neighborhoods, but others where people didn't speak a lick of English, which is bad for societal cohesion. Stuff like that needs to be discourages, and it isn't an inherently Canadian thing either.

I'll also add that Israel is the freest country in the Middle East, so supporting Israel is in the best interest of the West. Harper wasn't a good PM, but when people act like he was a fucking ass, I disagree, because he wasn't horrible.

Multiculturalism is doomed to fail. Like everywhere else it has been applied before. From ancien Greece, roman empire to the Austro-Hungarian empire.
It's generate balkanisation of previously homogeneous regions. It hinders trust between neighborhoods and towns, It generate social tensions under the disguise of tolerance by allowing such and such to act differently from the others in way that could be seen as offensive to some.

It exacerbate tensions between poor and working class for the sole purpose of self gratification of champagne socialists who feel they are helping when they go visit their "food of the worlds" festivals.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

The issue with that however is demanding integration for adults is difficult, but I understand the frustration. I work in retail, I have served customers who do not speak english, and grunt or snap to get my attention, and it is annoying. However, after that first generation, the level of integration is much higher, and there are many more immigrants who do speak english and have adapted to Canadian society than have not. Its not as if they never integrate, it happens slowly, and I have seen it first hand.
In our Highschools, almost every student who had immigrant parents was able to speak decent english, and most were fluent.

As for Harper, he was pretty much an ass. He was probably one of the most undemocratic Prime Minister's in our history, gutted out environmental programs and muzzled our scientists. Demonize parliament and the opposition, appointed 58 Senators after swearing to never appoint one, killed off the large Liberal surpluses after promising to never run a deficit, and got into a fight with the Chief Justice.
Was he competent? Oh yes. Was he intelligent? For sure. Was he an ass? Undeniably.

Same in the US - I have to speak Spanish for that very reason, since I live close to the border.

Yeah, his policies on climate change sucked. Economically speaking, he wasn't horrible though, and he never really went through with his ideas on social policies.

Trudeau is pretty crappy too, well intentioned, but spineless, arrogant, and incompetent. I'm a conservative, and I imagine Mulcair would've been better than Harper or Trudeau.

Harper was not the worst PM, but he definitely is pretty low on the totem pole so to speak. He only stymied his social conservative side because he knew it would be electoral suicide.

As for Trudeau, I disagree. He may be arrogant, lets face it, the Liberal party is known as the Natural Governing Party after all, but I would hardly call him spineless or incompetent. He is much more bold than many give him credit for, after weathering countless attack ads, and pretty much staying on a positive message. As for the incompetence, the only thing I can see is the whole mess with the Aga Khan in the Bahama's, but thats about it.

[Camicon]

A) Whats wrong with Multiculturalism? Its been a proud tradition for all Canadian governments since the 60's essentially. Affirmative action? Please explain that one too. Mass Migration? You do realize Canada was literally built by immigrants, like the US, and they actually provide us with plenty of economic benefits? Now if you are talking about Refugee's, I also do not understand why thats such a big issue. We have admitted 40,000 into our country with basically no incidents.

B) We can agree on that. Harper destroyed Canada's natural role as a peaceful arbiter and facilitator in that region due to his fetish over Israel.

C) Sources? Regulation? What examples do you have? How are they going to hurt the economy? BC has had a carbon Tax for years and our economy is one of the strongest in the nation. And if you are really worried about these deficits, Ill remind you how the Tories squandered the Chretien/Martin surpluses, and then failed for years to balance the books for years afterwards.

A) State multiculturalism is an idea coming from Trudeau father, it was implanted in the mid 70's. Not the 60's. It was imposed upon us in a undemocratic way and only millennials who never knew anything else now massively supports the idea. Would it have been put tru a referendum at the time, it would have never passed.
After almost 5 decades of propaganda, now it changed. Obviously people tend to support it. Propaganda works that way.

c) A 20 Billion extra debt a year hinders the economy. All those liberal globalists saying our debt is not a big matter are wrong and they generally profit from the chaos it generate. I honestly feel you just seek to stall the conversation here; we all read the news, I'm not going to list all the stupid things the Liberals did. I told ou about carbon tax, the terrible extra debt burden imposed upon us.
I personally not see BC as a positive image to follow with the Chinese invasion neither.

Actually, I could go ahead and say the 300 000 migrants coming here hinders the economy too as the country's unemployment grows higher each years and the technological advances will only continue see robots replace low paying jobs. So we do not need all those people coming here and competing the unemployed poor we already have to take care of.

Only a guy like Bernier, with is very libertarian economic ways, can happily harmonize our tax code with the one Trump is about to make in the US. Of course he'S not perfect. He's supporting those massive free trade treaty that includes dozen of nations, he still wants migration by the hundreds of thousands. But his numbers are still lower than the Libs. To me it's a good start.

An official policy of multiculturalism was adopted in 1971 (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/multicultu ... enship.asp), but it's not like it was an overnight thing. You can point to the late sixties as a time when support for multiculturalism gained steam. And it passed through our government the same way every other piece of legislation does so, unless you want to argue that everything the government has ever done is undemocratic, you don't have a leg to stand on here.

And it's when the growth of your debt outpaces the growth of your ability to pay said debts that it begins to hinder a states economy. Debt to GDP ratio is the metric you want to look at, and Canada's is pretty good among developed states. Far better than the US, for instances.

Unemployment is terms of raw numbers is meaningless. Look at unemployment in terms of percentages. Currently it is 6.8% federally, down from 7.3% just over a year ago, continuing it's downward trend ever since the recession in 2008. (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/canada/ ... yment-rate)

The American tax code is an unmitigated clusterfuck of epic proportions. I can't imagine why you would want to harmonize our tax code with the Americans. We aren't the same country, we don't need the same tax code.

Okay, so before this thread descends any further into snowflake wars about social policy, I'd just like to mention that at least one candidate for NDP leadership has come out strongly in favour of GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. I support this but I'm a little discouraged by the lack of a detailed plan esp. concerning funding. Anyway the guy's name is Guy Caron and the deadline for us unaffiliated to do anything about it is August 17th. Anybody have any thoughts?

UBI cannot exist without less state spending on welfare, or scrapping welfare entirely. Otherwise, it is futile and leads to ridiculous deficits, we can infer that through mathematics alone.

Since UBI would remove the need for state welfare, one can presume that the latter would be scrapped as it would no longer have a reason to exist.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I want to add one point on multiculturalism.

I'm fine with immigration, your immigration system is pretty decent, a lot of skilled workers from China, India, Pakistan, and Haiti entered your country with few problems. But - multiculturalism doesn't encourage integration and increases tensions. When I was in Vancouver, for instance, I saw many integrated neighborhoods, but others where people didn't speak a lick of English, which is bad for societal cohesion. Stuff like that needs to be discourages, and it isn't an inherently Canadian thing either.

I'll also add that Israel is the freest country in the Middle East, so supporting Israel is in the best interest of the West. Harper wasn't a good PM, but when people act like he was a fucking ass, I disagree, because he wasn't horrible.

Multiculturalism is doomed to fail. Like everywhere else it has been applied before. From ancien Greece, roman empire to the Austro-Hungarian empire.
It's generate balkanisation of previously homogeneous regions. It hinders trust between neighborhoods and towns, It generate social tensions under the disguise of tolerance by allowing such and such to act differently from the others in way that could be seen as offensive to some.

It exacerbate tensions between poor and working class for the sole purpose of self gratification of champagne socialists who feel they are helping when they go visit their "food of the worlds" festivals.

"Balkanization."
One of those over used buzzwords for the right.

[Camicon]

Multiculturalism is doomed to fail. Like everywhere else it has been applied before. From ancien Greece, roman empire to the Austro-Hungarian empire.
It's generate balkanisation of previously homogeneous regions. It hinders trust between neighborhoods and towns, It generate social tensions under the disguise of tolerance by allowing such and such to act differently from the others in way that could be seen as offensive to some.

It exacerbate tensions between poor and working class for the sole purpose of self gratification of champagne socialists who feel they are helping when they go visit their "food of the worlds" festivals.

"Balkanization."
One of those over used buzzwords for the right.

I'd like to know what states UoD thinks Canada would balkanize.

[Major-Tom]

"Balkanization."
One of those over used buzzwords for the right.

I'd like to know what states UoD thinks Canada would balkanize.

A bit ironic coming from a Quebecois, too, anyways.

<We need a unified culture.
<Quebec speaks French and is half autonomous, still works within Canada.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

"Balkanization."
One of those over used buzzwords for the right.

I'd like to know what states UoD thinks Canada would balkanize.

Well seeing as though he said BC was being invaded by the Chinese...

[Union of Despotistan]

Okay, so before this thread descends any further into snowflake wars about social policy, I'd just like to mention that at least one candidate for NDP leadership has come out strongly in favour of GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. I support this but I'm a little discouraged by the lack of a detailed plan esp. concerning funding. Anyway the guy's name is Guy Caron and the deadline for us unaffiliated to do anything about it is August 17th. Anybody have any thoughts?

UBI might be an option we need to look at because of automatisation of more and more jobs. In fact, pretty much all the decent suggestion needs to be taken in consideration when we seek to solve the future problem of robots doing all the jobs.

But I tend to think a little like Major-Tom on the fact that if we really want to have a working UBI, we would need to cut spending first. Such a policy would change lots of things in how nation and people conduct their work and lives.

[Sanctissima]

Same in the US - I have to speak Spanish for that very reason, since I live close to the border.

Yeah, his policies on climate change sucked. Economically speaking, he wasn't horrible though, and he never really went through with his ideas on social policies.

Trudeau is pretty crappy too, well intentioned, but spineless, arrogant, and incompetent. I'm a conservative, and I imagine Mulcair would've been better than Harper or Trudeau.

Harper was not the worst PM, but he definitely is pretty low on the totem pole so to speak. He only stymied his social conservative side because he knew it would be electoral suicide.

As for Trudeau, I disagree. He may be arrogant, lets face it, the Liberal party is known as the Natural Governing Party after all, but I would hardly call him spineless or incompetent. He is much more bold than many give him credit for, after weathering countless attack ads, and pretty much staying on a positive message. As for the incompetence, the only thing I can see is the whole mess with the Aga Khan in the Bahama's, but thats about it.

In terms of incompetence, not following-through on his promise of electoral reform, appointing a 50/50 men-and-women cabinet just for the hell of it, breaking 29 campaign promises and generally doing fuck-all aside from meaningless social policies all come to mind.

He's not terrible, but he isn't good either. He's just a mediocre PM that doesn't really do anything.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Okay, so before this thread descends any further into snowflake wars about social policy, I'd just like to mention that at least one candidate for NDP leadership has come out strongly in favour of GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME. I support this but I'm a little discouraged by the lack of a detailed plan esp. concerning funding. Anyway the guy's name is Guy Caron and the deadline for us unaffiliated to do anything about it is August 17th. Anybody have any thoughts?

UBI might be an option we need to look at because of automatisation of more and more jobs. In fact, pretty much all the decent suggestion needs to be taken in consideration when we seek to solve the future problem of robots doing all the jobs.

But I tend to think a little like Major-Tom on the fact that if we really want to have a working UBI, we would need to cut spending first. Such a policy would change lots of things in how nation and people conduct their work and lives.

You have yet to reply to Camicon nor myself on our previous posts.

[Major-Tom]

Same in the US - I have to speak Spanish for that very reason, since I live close to the border.

Yeah, his policies on climate change sucked. Economically speaking, he wasn't horrible though, and he never really went through with his ideas on social policies.

Trudeau is pretty crappy too, well intentioned, but spineless, arrogant, and incompetent. I'm a conservative, and I imagine Mulcair would've been better than Harper or Trudeau.

Harper was not the worst PM, but he definitely is pretty low on the totem pole so to speak. He only stymied his social conservative side because he knew it would be electoral suicide.

As for Trudeau, I disagree. He may be arrogant, lets face it, the Liberal party is known as the Natural Governing Party after all, but I would hardly call him spineless or incompetent. He is much more bold than many give him credit for, after weathering countless attack ads, and pretty much staying on a positive message. As for the incompetence, the only thing I can see is the whole mess with the Aga Khan in the Bahama's, but thats about it.

Ehhh - its not the message I care about so much. He failed to deliver on electoral reform and completely scrapped that policy, Aga Khan was a mess he should've known would be a mess.

Furthermore, Canada is expected to run the deficit even deeper, and Trudeau thinks this is feasible. If you're an old school Keynesian who just saw WW2 end, maybe that'd be a valid position, but it simply is shit economics now. In regards to ethics, the Liberals have been almost as bad as the Tories so far.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/luke-rebel ... 00284.html

Not normally a fan of HuffPo, but Mr. Rebello brings up some valid points here regardless. If I were a Canuck, I'd hope Chong would lead the Tories and deliver them to victory by 2020.

[Camicon]

I'd like to know what states UoD thinks Canada would balkanize.

A bit ironic coming from a Quebecois, too, anyways.

<We need a unified culture.
<Quebec speaks French and is half autonomous, still works within Canada.

Not so ironic if you don't think that Quebec works within Canada, and you are a separatist.

I'd like to know what states UoD thinks Canada would balkanize.

Well seeing as though he said BC was being invaded by the Chinese...

That would go just so well.

[Union of Despotistan]

I'd like to know what states UoD thinks Canada would balkanize.

A bit ironic coming from a Quebecois, too, anyways.

<We need a unified culture.
<Quebec speaks French and is half autonomous, still works within Canada.

Quebec and English-Canada cultures are not mixed within another. Each of us have our corner of the nation. A little bit like the Swiss.
It that way, it may function perfectly.

It's when everyone lives in the same place it become a problem. Big multicultural cities crime stats vs big homogeneous cities crime stats shows that.

Camicon

Just to be clear. I am not a separatist. Never was.

[Major-Tom]

UBI might be an option we need to look at because of automatisation of more and more jobs. In fact, pretty much all the decent suggestion needs to be taken in consideration when we seek to solve the future problem of robots doing all the jobs.

But I tend to think a little like Major-Tom on the fact that if we really want to have a working UBI, we would need to cut spending first. Such a policy would change lots of things in how nation and people conduct their work and lives.

You have yet to reply to Camicon nor myself on our previous posts.

On the topic of UBI, I will add one little question I will run into. Would the incentive to work not be less under the UBI than it is under the welfare state? I can see the system being taken advantage of.

[Major-Tom]

A bit ironic coming from a Quebecois, too, anyways.

<We need a unified culture.
<Quebec speaks French and is half autonomous, still works within Canada.

Quebec and English-Canada cultures are not mixed within another. Each of us have our corner of the nation. A little bit like the Swiss.
It that way, it may function perfectly.

It's when everyone lives in the same place it become a problem. Big multicultural cities crime stats vs big homogeneous cities crime stats shows that.

For sure, when integration doesn't happen, its bad. But take, say, Sacramento for example. Very diverse, but not known for being high in crime nor low in integration. Immigration is full of grey areas, and as we look at successful examples of diversity in parts of America and see very bad examples in parts of Europe, I think our leaders need to craft immigration policy in a much more nuanced way.

I don't favor multiculturalism, nor monoculturalism.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

A bit ironic coming from a Quebecois, too, anyways.

<We need a unified culture.
<Quebec speaks French and is half autonomous, still works within Canada.

Quebec and English-Canada cultures are not mixed within another. Each of us have our corner of the nation. A little bit like the Swiss.
It that way, it may function perfectly.

It's when everyone lives in the same place it become a problem. Big multicultural cities crime stats vs big homogeneous cities crime stats shows that.

Source? Evidence? Facts? Please give us something.

[Sanctissima]

Quebec and English-Canada cultures are not mixed within another. Each of us have our corner of the nation. A little bit like the Swiss.
It that way, it may function perfectly.

It's when everyone lives in the same place it become a problem. Big multicultural cities crime stats vs big homogeneous cities crime stats shows that.

Source? Evidence? Facts? Please give us something.

Not sure about the comparison (since there aren't that many big cities that aren't multicultural), but it goes without saying that ghettos are a cesspool for crime.