2017 Canadian Politics Megathread - Sesquicentennial Edition

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I'm not saying you are.

All I am saying is he is better then Trump.

That's a low bar to set, we should aim higher for our leaders than just being "less terrible than the United States"

Being better than the US is 90% of our job.

[MERIZoC]

You seem to be under the impression that I am a Trump supporter. Otherwise I see no reason for these non sequiters.

I'm not saying you are.

All I am saying is he is better then Trump.

This is a stupid dichotomy though, as we are not being offered the choice.

[MERIZoC]

I prefer this

This is ridiculous. Breaking a political promise does not make one equivalent to a rapist. Is this what the far-left is becoming, Trump imitators with the insults? And calling people "cucks"?

muh horseshoe theory

[Geilinor]

I'm not saying you are.

All I am saying is he is better then Trump.

This is a stupid dichotomy though, as we are not being offered the choice.

Better than Kellie Leitch and Kevin O'Leary.

[MERIZoC]

This is a stupid dichotomy though, as we are not being offered the choice.

Better than Kellie Leitch and Kevin O'Leary.

Which is why I fully intend to vote NDP in the next election.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I'm not saying you are.

All I am saying is he is better then Trump.

This is a stupid dichotomy though, as we are not being offered the choice.

He is better than Harper.

And I think we can compare the two, being on the same continent and what not.

[Collatis]

This is a stupid dichotomy though, as we are not being offered the choice.

He is better than Harper.

And I think we can compare the two, being on the same continent and what not.

Obviously he is considerably better than Harper, but there is a rather large third party in Canadian politics that you may have heard of. Regardless, just because he is better than Harper doesn't mean he can't and shouldn't be criticized.

[Napkiraly]

I desperately do not want O'Leary to be the leader of the Conservatives. Nor Kellie Leitch for that matter. Joined the Conservative Party after meeting Michael Chong simply so I can vote for him. Though I fully expect the Tories to lose in 2019.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

He is better than Harper.

And I think we can compare the two, being on the same continent and what not.

Obviously he is considerably better than Harper, but there is a rather large third party in Canadian politics that you may have heard of. Regardless, just because he is better than Harper doesn't mean he can't and shouldn't be criticized.

You can criticize whomever you want, and I do plan on voting NDP for Ontario.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I desperately do not want O'Leary to be the leader of the Conservatives. Nor Kellie Leitch for that matter. Joined the Conservative Party after meeting Michael Chong simply so I can vote for him. Though I fully expect the Tories to lose in 2020.

Chong is one of the few decent people in the race. There are so many candidates, my former MP is actually running, it's a mad house.

My preference personally is Raitt, though I too do not believe the Tories can win in 2019, especially if they choose Leitch or O'Leary.

The NDP need to get their shit together. I think the only real candidate to express interest is Peter Julian, but he is not exactly the most inspiring option.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

He is better than Harper.

And I think we can compare the two, being on the same continent and what not.

Obviously he is considerably better than Harper, but there is a rather large third party in Canadian politics that you may have heard of. Regardless, just because he is better than Harper doesn't mean he can't and shouldn't be criticized.

My biggest objection to the NDP in 2015 was Mulcair. He was an excellent Opposition Leader, but I found him hyper partisan and condescending.

[Camicon]

Obviously he is considerably better than Harper, but there is a rather large third party in Canadian politics that you may have heard of. Regardless, just because he is better than Harper doesn't mean he can't and shouldn't be criticized.

My biggest objection to the NDP in 2015 was Mulcair. He was an excellent Opposition Leader, but I found him hyper partisan and condescending.

He also ran on the Tories economic platform. Seriously, what were the NDP thinking with that crap?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

My biggest objection to the NDP in 2015 was Mulcair. He was an excellent Opposition Leader, but I found him hyper partisan and condescending.

He also ran on the Tories economic platform. Seriously, what were the NDP thinking with that crap?

They wanted to appeal to the "centre" which apparently means veering to the right.
I still remember the day the Liberals promised deficits, and how awkward the NDP response was. It was probably the day I first realized the Liberals would be the party that would capture the change vote.

[Saint Fedski]

I desperately do not want O'Leary to be the leader of the Conservatives. Nor Kellie Leitch for that matter. Joined the Conservative Party after meeting Michael Chong simply so I can vote for him. Though I fully expect the Tories to lose in 2019.

Leitch is the only one worth voting for. If you won't support her, you might as well vote Liberal.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I desperately do not want O'Leary to be the leader of the Conservatives. Nor Kellie Leitch for that matter. Joined the Conservative Party after meeting Michael Chong simply so I can vote for him. Though I fully expect the Tories to lose in 2019.

Leitch is the only one worth voting for. If you won't support her, you might as well vote Liberal.

You really must not know anything about Canadian politics. She is a faux-populist riding the wave of nationalistic vitriol to an unlikely, and ultimately, hostile environment.
Then again, a Leitch leadership win would confine the Tories to another four years in the opposition benches, so I am not too unhappy about that.

[Saint Fedski]

Leitch is the only one worth voting for. If you won't support her, you might as well vote Liberal.

You really must not know anything about Canadian politics. She is a faux-populist riding the wave of nationalistic vitriol to an unlikely, and ultimately, hostile environment.
Then again, a Leitch leadership win would confine the Tories to another four years in the opposition benches, so I am not too unhappy about that.

You're joking? She had many of her current opinions before Trump entered the ring. The Liberals, liberal policies and liberals under the Progressive Conservative and CPC banners have ruined Canada, starting with Pierre Trudeau. We need a real shift to the right, one way or another. Let's not even discuss the mess of Ontario under McGuinty and Wynne. We needed Hudak and look at what we were stuck with.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

You really must not know anything about Canadian politics. She is a faux-populist riding the wave of nationalistic vitriol to an unlikely, and ultimately, hostile environment.
Then again, a Leitch leadership win would confine the Tories to another four years in the opposition benches, so I am not too unhappy about that.

You're joking? She had many of her current opinions before Trump entered the ring. The Liberals, liberal policies and liberals under the Progressive Conservative and CPC banners have ruined Canada, starting with Pierre Trudeau. We need a real shift to the right, one way or another. Let's not even discuss the mess of Ontario under McGuinty and Wynne. We needed Hudak and look at what we were stuck with.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Leitch is not only a consummate political insider, having been involved in politics since her teens, but also, and this is the kicker, a known moderate until October 19th 2015. She was associated with centrist, if not the outright Red Tory wing of the Conservative Party. Then she saw an opportunity and swung for it.
Even the National Post basically said her act is pretty hard to believe.
And idk where you get that the CPC implemented liberal policy. Harper was arguably the most Conservative prime minister in decades.

[Saint Fedski]

Where do you want to start? The massive stimulus spending? Quebec as a nation within a nation? Not quashing Idle No More? (Even Pierre Trudeau wouldn't have tolerated acts of war like that.) Further destruction of the armed forces?

And Doctor Leitch, yes, she is a doctor, is hardly a moderate. Harper kept his people in line pretty tight, there was little room for personal opinion. I didn't argue she wasn't an insider, don't put words in my mouth. And populism comes from the left wing too! It's not just a right wing thing the the media will have you believe.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Where do you want to start? The massive stimulus spending? Quebec as a nation within a nation? Not quashing Idle No More? (Even Pierre Trudeau wouldn't have tolerated acts of war like that.) Further destruction of the armed forces?

And Doctor Leitch, yes, she is a doctor, is hardly a moderate. Harper kept his people in line pretty tight, there was little room for personal opinion. I didn't argue she wasn't an insider, don't put words in my mouth. And populism comes from the left wing too! It's not just a right wing thing the the media will have you believe.

I'm aware she is a Doctor, but even before being in the Harper government, was a moderate. It's well documented. How tough Harper was in caucus is not relevant here, because she was never the fire breathing anti-establishment figure she is trying to shape herself to be. Take this excerpt from the National Posts recent feature on Leitch.

There’s also the authenticity question. Leitch was, for most of her political life, considered a centrist. She has no history of championing cultural values issues, anti-elite populism or much of anything to do with immigration, at least not before the last federal election campaign. “Over the years we’ve had literally dozens of conversations about whether or not we would eventually run and what we would run on, what kind of issues attract us to politics and things like that,” said one Ontario Conservative who has known Leitch since the mid-1990s. “I can tell you the number of times issues related to anti-Canadian values came up was zero. Like not three, not seven, zero.”

These new views of her seem to have either developed during or just after the election. Either way, she is an opportunist, nothing more. Jim Flaherty would be ashamed.

And I'm well aware of the nature of populism thanks.

[South Park Labourite]

This is ridiculous. Breaking a political promise does not make one equivalent to a rapist. Is this what the far-left is becoming, Trump imitators with the insults? And calling people "cucks"?

muh horseshoe theory

muh far-left bubble.

Better than Kellie Leitch and Kevin O'Leary.

Which is why I fully intend to vote NDP in the next election.

But this is good.

[AsReil]

More radical political leftism than general liberalism

It's run by a generic centrist liberal. What do you think?

Most things I've been hearing in action over there are absolutely insane. Pronoun laws, for example? Seems like an awful rad-left thing to do.

[Oneracon]

Where do you want to start? The massive stimulus spending? Quebec as a nation within a nation? Not quashing Idle No More? (Even Pierre Trudeau wouldn't have tolerated acts of war like that.) Further destruction of the armed forces?

And Doctor Leitch, yes, she is a doctor, is hardly a moderate. Harper kept his people in line pretty tight, there was little room for personal opinion. I didn't argue she wasn't an insider, don't put words in my mouth. And populism comes from the left wing too! It's not just a right wing thing the the media will have you believe.

Being a doctor does not mean you are an intelligent or even competent person outside of your discipline, Ben Carson is a great example of that.

"If you're sick of those elites and political insiders, then vote for me: a university professor and othropaedic surgeon who's been involved in politics since I was 14" - Kellie Leitch being impersonated by Susan Kent

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It's run by a generic centrist liberal. What do you think?

Most things I've been hearing in action over there are absolutely insane. Pronoun laws, for example? Seems like an awful rad-left thing to do.

Wtf is a "pronoun law"? Sounds like something Jordan Peterson would make a video ranting about.

[AsReil]

Wtf is a "pronoun law"? Sounds like something Jordan Peterson would make a video ranting about.

yikes

[Oneracon]

Wtf is a "pronoun law"? Sounds like something Jordan Peterson would make a video ranting about.

yikes

What's "yikes" about Bill C-16? It updates federal human rights law to align it with provincial and territorial human rights laws which have already included gender identity alongside sex, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. as unacceptable grounds for discrimination for a while.

Also, how is this a "pronoun law" if there is no mention of the word pronoun?

[AsReil]

yikes

What's "yikes" about Bill C-16? It updates federal human rights law to align it with provincial and territorial human rights laws which have already included gender identity alongside sex, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. as unacceptable grounds for discrimination for a while.

Also, how is this a "pronoun law" if there is no mention of the word pronoun?

This bill was created solely for the purpose of being trans-inclusive, and is as necessary as a bill that prohibits discrimination against people who disagree with you. These are matters of politeness, not discrimination.