First female 11X has been accepted

[The balkens]

They did become an EMPIRE, y'know.

I don't see how Christianity "saved" the most powerful empire in the West.

saved it from sin

And thus collapsed.

[Shofercia]

The Canadian military hasn't exactly performed in a sterling fashion in Afghanistan.

Um...Operation Athena?

Ok, this thread is starting to Greek me out...

[Riysa]

Personally, I agree with OP.

While there definitely are women out there that can keep up, it comes down to simple biology - women are, on average, much less stronger than men in the upper body region and somewhat less stronger in the lower body region. If you give a woman the exact same level of training as you give a man, she'll usually come out to be less physically capable than said man, assuming everything else is the same. Personally, I'd keep the fitness requirements the exact same; if a woman can do it, good for her, but if she can't, then there's no reason to lower them and weaken the team as a whole.

Of course, this isn't even getting into the issues with mixed units, which I think OP appreciates as well.

[Falkenheim (Ancient)]

Yeah, and I've totally heard of those!

Are you saying that you haven't heard of Elagabalus?!

Of course I haven't.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They did become an EMPIRE, y'know.

I don't see how Christianity "saved" the most powerful empire in the West.

saved it from sin

But Rome still fell. The Western Roman empire still fell.

Anyway, as much as this is fun Debating Roman History this is getting way off topic.

[The balkens]

Um...Operation Athena?

Ok, this thread is starting to Greek me out...

'Hey, you Persians are alright. dont be at marathon, tomorrow."

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They did become an EMPIRE, y'know.

I don't see how Christianity "saved" the most powerful empire in the West.

saved it from sin

Fuck sin. They still became a powerful empire without Christian help. I don't see how Christianity "saved" it from anything.

[Falkenheim (Ancient)]

saved it from sin

But Rome still fell. The Western Roman empire still fell.

And Byzantium was still around until an entire population of "heathens" moved into their country.

[Shofercia]

Are you saying that you haven't heard of Elagabalus?!

Of course I haven't.

Now you have:

[Grinning Dragon]

The Roman Empire until Christianity saved it was a cesspit of degeneracy, sodomy and paganism. Same goes to the Greeks.

They did become an EMPIRE, y'know.

I don't see how Christianity "saved" the most powerful empire in the West.

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On OP:

While I disagree with your notions, I see where you are coming from. All I can say is, good on her. If she can pass boot camp she deserves to be there.

And if she does pass boot? She will still need to maintain the same standard as her male counterparts in her unit. If the rest of the unit has to constantly pick up her slack because she cannot hump 90lbs of gear while in the shit, then she needs to be 86'd out of the unit.

If she can do it great, but she must meet or exceed the same standards as her male counterparts, lowering the bar just for a female isn't the way to do it either, and will lead to resentment among the rest of the unit.

[Falkenheim (Ancient)]

Of course I haven't.

Now you have:

Definitely looks like a fuckboy.

[Shofercia]

Now you have:

Definitely looks like a fuckboy.

Baccus' favorite.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

But Rome still fell. The Western Roman empire still fell.

And Byzantium was still around until an entire population of "heathens" moved into their country.

More like Byzantium was still around but after the sack of Constantinople by crusaders themselves left it crippled.

Let's be honest, "heathens" weren't the problem of Byzantium, it was European Christian rulers being opportunistic dicks.

[Napkiraly]

Your basis for this is what exactly? Furthermore, even if true, is that a result of having mixed gender combat units?

That depends, were any engaged in combat?

Considering all roles within the Canadian Army have been open to women since 1989 iirc and that the three infantry regiments have all served tours in Afghanistan, yes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They did become an EMPIRE, y'know.

I don't see how Christianity "saved" the most powerful empire in the West.

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On OP:

While I disagree with your notions, I see where you are coming from. All I can say is, good on her. If she can pass boot camp she deserves to be there.

And if she does pass boot? She will still need to maintain the same standard as her male counterparts in her unit. If the rest of the unit has to constantly pick up her slack because she cannot hump 90lbs of gear while in the shit, then she needs to be 86'd out of the unit.

Well, that we'll just have to see when she is in the field, don't we?

[Uxupox]

They did become an EMPIRE, y'know.

I don't see how Christianity "saved" the most powerful empire in the West.

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On OP:

While I disagree with your notions, I see where you are coming from. All I can say is, good on her. If she can pass boot camp she deserves to be there.

And if she does pass boot? She will still need to maintain the same standard as her male counterparts in her unit. If the rest of the unit has to constantly pick up her slack because she cannot hump 90lbs of gear while in the shit, then she needs to be 86'd out of the unit.

Exactly my point. Different units have different standards and if she can't meet them she will be considered a failure in her unit.

And if she does pass boot? She will still need to maintain the same standard as her male counterparts in her unit. If the rest of the unit has to constantly pick up her slack because she cannot hump 90lbs of gear while in the shit, then she needs to be 86'd out of the unit.

Well, that we'll just have to see when she is in the field, don't we?

And what if she compromises the mission or fails to support a battle buddy because she can't carry the mortar cannon for example?

[Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena]

And Byzantium was still around until an entire population of "heathens" moved into their country.

More like Byzantium was still around but after the sack of Constantinople by crusaders themselves left it crippled.

Let's be honest, "heathens" weren't the problem of Byzantium, it was European Christian rulers being opportunistic dicks.

The pope, specifically... the remnant of that other roman empire that fell earlier...

[The balkens]

That depends, were any engaged in combat?

Considering all roles within the Canadian Army have been open to women since 1989 iirc and that the three infantry regiments have all served tours in Afghanistan, yes.

Fair enough.

Not that i think that only men should serve. by any logic, women should also have to sign for the draft.

[Falkenheim (Ancient)]

And Byzantium was still around until an entire population of "heathens" moved into their country.

More like Byzantium was still around but after the sack of Constantinople by crusaders themselves left it crippled.

Let's be honest, "heathens" weren't the problem of Byzantium, it was European Christian rulers being opportunistic dicks.

Really? So I guess that means some random anti-war chumps were the bane of Nazi Germany, rather than the overpowering force of the allies.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And if she does pass boot? She will still need to maintain the same standard as her male counterparts in her unit. If the rest of the unit has to constantly pick up her slack because she cannot hump 90lbs of gear while in the shit, then she needs to be 86'd out of the unit.

Exactly my point. Different units have different standards and if she can't meet them she will be considered a failure in her unit.

I don't understand why are you worrying right now about what hasn't even happened yet.

[Kautharr]

saved it from sin

Fuck sin. They still became a powerful empire without Christian help. I don't see how Christianity "saved" it from anything.

I agree, fuck sin.

saved it from sin

And thus collapsed.

It collapsed because too many primitive and barbaric heathen immigrants came in.

[Islamic Emirate]

Your basis for this is what exactly? Furthermore, even if true, is that a result of having mixed gender combat units?

That depends, were any engaged in combat?

Yes they have: Operation Moshtarak (Battle of Marja) where they were auxiliaries, got their rears kicked at the siege of Panjwaii, Sangin, and Zhari they attempted to corral a large column of Taliban and basically got held up because of running into a minefield causing the Portuguese and Afghans to bail them out. I think the prime example however is Operation Medusa which was kind of Canada's first real operation in which they took the lead...and they walking into about 2000 Taliban. Contrary to their false belief, the US Special Forces and their Afghan National Army battalion again came to their rescue with support from the British SAS.

They're about as incompetent as the Italian army, though not quite as bad since at LEAST the Canadians don't strike deals with the enemy and allow them to take Coalition ground in exchange for not fighting.

I'm not bitter towards some of our allies. At all.

[The Two Jerseys]

All I have to say is that if women are going to serve in combat units, they should be held to the same fitness standards as the men in that unit. Soldiers' lives could depend on it.

[Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena]

Fuck sin. They still became a powerful empire without Christian help. I don't see how Christianity "saved" it from anything.

I agree, fuck sin.

And thus collapsed.

It collapsed because too many primitive and barbaric heathen immigrants came in.

They weren't primitive, they were armed with the best weapons of the time! (THEY HAD FABULOUS GIANT SWORDS!)

[The balkens]

And if she does pass boot? She will still need to maintain the same standard as her male counterparts in her unit. If the rest of the unit has to constantly pick up her slack because she cannot hump 90lbs of gear while in the shit, then she needs to be 86'd out of the unit.

Well, that we'll just have to see when she is in the field, don't we?

or rather in training. I think that is where this is to be decided.