First female 11X has been accepted

[Firsthome]

There's only a limit to how much disobedience will be permitted.

There was once a time drill sergeants felt that physically assaulting troops was permissible.

Still is in some parts. You just gotta look deep.

Oh, I'd be discharged all right.

[Allanea]

I'm sure it is still done in some places by some people. But it's nowhere near as common as it used to be.

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

Is she going to go AWOL like the female combat engineer?


As long as the standard isn't degraded (like it will be) then i wouldn't have a problem with it. However since the standard will be degraded (because of politics) I do have a major problem with it. I highly doubt she'll pass on her own merit. Especially considering the mentality that she has presented. She's literally going to be eaten alive by those Drill Sergeants. No If's, Ands or Buts about it.

No, she's going to have a female drill sergeant, as I understand it.

Female drill sergeants are worse

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Well, due to rising obesity rates, the male population will soon not be enough to support the bloated US military. The US, therefore, has three options:

1) Decrease the size of the active military
2) Put in motion a long-term plan to fight rising obesity rates
3) Allow women into the army

Knowing the American political landscape, 1) is about as likely to happen as the British reconquest of the Thirteen Colonies. 2) Requires long-term planning from people who can't even pass a yearly budget. 3) Seems like the only viable option. And it's perfectly fine, because just because the average women has less muscle mass than the average male doesn't mean there are plenty of women who've got more muscle mass than the average male.

Or, you know, they could have high school gym last for more than a quarter of a year

Oh yeah, education reform! Part of a long-term plan the current Congress couldn't manage if they were led by Stalin himself.

There's only a limit to how much disobedience will be permitted.

There was once a time drill sergeants felt that physically assaulting troops was permissible.

Still is in some parts. You just gotta look deep.

So, your argument is something that might happen is bad. You have no evidence to support that it will happen, only wild half-baked unsupported assumptions. Do you see how people might not take you seriously?

If she is good enough to pass, then there this is a non-issue. You're inventing drama where only fiction exists.

No evidence? Just like they did with infantry BOLC? Hmm.

Well, due to rising obesity rates, the male population will soon not be enough to support the bloated US military. The US, therefore, has three options:

1) Decrease the size of the active military
2) Put in motion a long-term plan to fight rising obesity rates
3) Allow women into the army

Knowing the American political landscape, 1) is about as likely to happen as the British reconquest of the Thirteen Colonies. 2) Requires long-term planning from people who can't even pass a yearly budget. 3) Seems like the only viable option. And it's perfectly fine, because just because the average women has less muscle mass than the average male doesn't mean there are plenty of women who've got more muscle mass than the average male.

Downsizing is already underway.

How much does this downsizing encompass?

[Hirota]

No evidence? Just like they did with infantry BOLC? Hmm.

The assumption that because it happened before, it will inevitably happen again is fallacious reasoning.

Secondly, the assumption that it might happen has no bearing on the present.

[Allanea]

Knowing the American political landscape, 1) is about as likely to happen as the British reconquest of the Thirteen Colonies

This is already happening, though.

[Uxupox]

Or, you know, they could have high school gym last for more than a quarter of a year

Oh yeah, education reform! Part of a long-term plan the current Congress couldn't manage if they were led by Stalin himself.

Still is in some parts. You just gotta look deep.



No evidence? Just like they did with infantry BOLC? Hmm.



Downsizing is already underway.

How much does this downsizing encompass?

Really have no idea how much of a downsizing the army is gonna do. It could be eliminating whole entire brigades or just some select few personnel, I really don't know.

No evidence? Just like they did with infantry BOLC? Hmm.

The assumption that because it happened before, it will inevitably happen again is fallacious reasoning.

Secondly, the assumption that it might happen has no bearing on the present.

Oh please. Just ask another serviceman about TRADOC and they will tell you.

Still is in some parts. You just gotta look deep.

Oh, I'd be discharged all right.

You'd probably go to jail sadly because it would be the word of the drill sergeant against the word of a recruit unless an investigation takes place.

[Imperializt Russia]

Oh please. Just ask another serviceman about TRADOC and they will tell you.

Sure, I'll go onto ARRSE and ask about the British Army payroll system, I'll get some really informative viewpoints.

[Uxupox]

Oh please. Just ask another serviceman about TRADOC and they will tell you.

Sure, I'll go onto ARRSE and ask about the British Army payroll system, I'll get some really informative viewpoints.

Oh please. This isn't the PNN we are talking about, TRADOC like I said before is shit, their policy making is shit and when you get assigned to go there and have to sit there for weeks on end because somebody is hella incompetent is managing a course, well it sure fucking sucks.

[Imperializt Russia]

Sure, I'll go onto ARRSE and ask about the British Army payroll system, I'll get some really informative viewpoints.

Oh please. This isn't the PNN we are talking about, TRADOC like I said before is shit, their policy making is shit and when you get assigned to go there and have to sit there for weeks on end because somebody is hella incompetent is managing a course, well it sure fucking sucks.

Gee, this is a totally unique viewpoint about an administrative bureaucracy in an organisation.

[Uxupox]

Oh please. This isn't the PNN we are talking about, TRADOC like I said before is shit, their policy making is shit and when you get assigned to go there and have to sit there for weeks on end because somebody is hella incompetent is managing a course, well it sure fucking sucks.

Gee, this is a totally unique viewpoint about an administrative bureaucracy in an organisation.

That's pretty much the opinion of everybody about the S3's.

[Firsthome]

Oh yeah, education reform! Part of a long-term plan the current Congress couldn't manage if they were led by Stalin himself.


How much does this downsizing encompass?

Really have no idea how much of a downsizing the army is gonna do. It could be eliminating whole entire brigades or just some select few personnel, I really don't know.

The assumption that because it happened before, it will inevitably happen again is fallacious reasoning.

Secondly, the assumption that it might happen has no bearing on the present.

Oh please. Just ask another serviceman about TRADOC and they will tell you.

Oh, I'd be discharged all right.

You'd probably go to jail sadly because it would be the word of the drill sergeant against the word of a recruit unless an investigation takes place.

Or that.

Nobody hits me and gets away with it.

[Firsthome]

Oh please. Just ask another serviceman about TRADOC and they will tell you.

Sure, I'll go onto ARRSE and ask about the British Army payroll system, I'll get some really informative viewpoints.

Subtract one R. They still have bad acronym.

[Imperializt Russia]

Gee, this is a totally unique viewpoint about an administrative bureaucracy in an organisation.

That's pretty much the opinion of everybody about the S3's.

You keep agreeing with my points, and phrasing it like you don't agree.

Sure, I'll go onto ARRSE and ask about the British Army payroll system, I'll get some really informative viewpoints.

Subtract one R. They still have bad acronym.

ARRSE is a completely unofficial online message board of British Army servicepersons. They even have a satirical wiki.

[Hirota]

Oh please. Just ask another serviceman about TRADOC and they will tell you.

No thanks. I'll wait for actual evidence.

(also, how many times do you have to say "Oh please?")

[Risottia]

How much does this downsizing encompass?

It encompasses all uniforms. No size above L will be made available anymore. Those not fitting in the new uniforms will be discharged with dishonour.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

How much does this downsizing encompass?

It encompasses all uniforms. No size above L will be made available anymore. Those not fitting in the new uniforms will be discharged with dishonour.

Bwah. I miss the days those people were executed for dessertion. And I won't apologise for that pun.

[Imperial City-States]

Oh please. Just ask another serviceman about TRADOC and they will tell you.

No thanks. I'll wait for actual evidence.

(also, how many times do you have to say "Oh please?")

Correct me if I'm wrong. But is a first hand account not evidence?
Especially when it's confirmed by people from entirely different walks of military life.

[Zoice]

How much does this downsizing encompass?

It encompasses all uniforms. No size above L will be made available anymore. Those not fitting in the new uniforms will be discharged with dishonour.

What if you just have big bones? That's useful in a fight.

[Imperializt Russia]

No thanks. I'll wait for actual evidence.

(also, how many times do you have to say "Oh please?")

Correct me if I'm wrong. But is a first hand account not evidence?
Especially when it's confirmed by people from entirely different walks of military life.

No, a first-hand account is a source.
We do not know that it is a first-hand account, just that the poster claims that is his experience.

[Imperial City-States]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But is a first hand account not evidence?
Especially when it's confirmed by people from entirely different walks of military life.

No, a first-hand account is a source.
We do not know that it is a first-hand account, just that the poster claims that is his experience.

I can testify that TRADOC is by far the most ineffecient part of the military, I'm not entirely sure what specifically he is referring to in regards to TRADOC.

[Imperial City-States]

Having gone back and re-read some a
Parts of the previous pages.


TRADOC, has been known, both on official and on unofficial channels to lower the standard in order to accommodate the political statement of the day. Denying such things is frankly ignorant.

The standard will be lowered, just as the standard for Ranger school was lowered when those females went through.

What Imp Russia says earlier about standards is generally speaking, correct. However, you don't stay on top by degrading your 'standard' to meet political pressure. Yes the US is superior to most, if not all, fighting forces in the world by a significant margin, but you do not maintain that superiority by decreasing that margin.

The entire issue I have with females in Combat Arms is that there is a double standard. A single, universal standard that all have to conform too. In this case, females need to be required to pass the current male standard.

People can have their dick waving contest as much as they like, either way it doesn't really change how this stuff goes down, and the political motivations for ensuring certain people pass certain schools.

[Victoriala]

Oh, cool, cool.

Can't have a child without a daddy either. They'll just turn gay from the mother's effeminacy.

No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.

Yeah, and your worldview is obviously right.

that was a pun

[Hladgos]

I wish that this didn't have to be big news.

[Imperializt Russia]

Can't have a child without a daddy either. They'll just turn gay from the mother's effeminacy.

No, a woman's place is in the home to nurture and raise the children. A man's place is at work or at war. Back when that was how the world was, there was no gay or transgender people.

This just in, ancient Greece was a lie.