First female 11X has been accepted

[Allanea]

I forgot the part where the only people qualified to discuss combat are people who've actually fought in it.

The reason I forgot it is because it's not true.

He can discuss just fine but don't assume he has experience on the subject.

I don't care if he does.

Having combat experience is not the only way you can comment knowledgeably on this subject.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Hey! Women being accepted as the human beings they are? People objecting to it because women are inherently inferior to men? The family card being played on the first page?

We're moving in the right direction it seems.

[Uxupox]

He can discuss just fine but don't assume he has experience on the subject.

I don't care if he does.

Having combat experience is not the only way you can comment knowledgeably on this subject.

That is true but a person who has been in combat generally is more knowledgeable or exactly the circumstances of what is needed to achieve future success. There is a reason why all drill sergeants in infantry OSUT have been in at least 3 to 4 tours. Because they know what is needed and they might work with them in the future so they will do their utmost best in assuring that warrior gets the knowledge and training he needs to achieve that.

Well I am.

Weren't you discussing standards?

I did not accept mediocrity in my previous platoon, why should I start now.

Which is related to combat.

[Valaran]

I don't care if he does.

Having combat experience is not the only way you can comment knowledgeably on this subject.

That is true but a person who has been in combat generally is more knowledgeable or exactly the circumstances of what is needed to achieve future success.

You could equally argue that it oversets perceptions of combat, and encourages and overly determinalistc line of thinking, or defence of the status quo (all traditional issues for the military) rather than acception of innovation or out of the box thinking.

They know how to fight sure, but are they also the best qualified to conduct comprehensive reforms?

[Firsthome]

Hard to have a father when you send a lot of them to die off somewhere.

If you tell a 5 year old who hasn't been brainwashed by regressive leftists that his father was strong and died for his country, they will grow up respecting them and wanting to be like them.

Kautharr, you do realize that Russia was the first modern army to allow both men and women to serve?

[Firsthome]

Hey! Women being accepted as the human beings they are? People objecting to it because women are inherently inferior to men? The family card being played on the first page?

We're moving in the right direction it seems.

When I saw the family card played I almost burst out laughing, as obviously the women who serve would have been single and not with children at home

[Valaran]

Well I am.

Weren't you discussing standards?

I did not accept mediocrity in my previous platoon, why should I start now.

Which is related to combat.

That's an odd and indirect way to talk about combat then, to discuss standards. If one is talking expressly about combat, wouldn't they then open with discussion on combat instead of:

So again what is the problem?

She met the requirements for joining, now she's joined up, now she has to pass.

TRADOC will fuck up and lower the standards. You will see in 2017.

[Uxupox]

Weren't you discussing standards?

Which is related to combat.

That's an odd and indirect way to talk about combat then, to first discuss and the keep discussing standards. If one is talking expressly about combat, wouldn't they then open with discussion on combat in stead of:

So again what is the problem?

She met the requirements for joining, now she's joined up, now she has to pass.

TRADOC will fuck up and lower the standards. You will see in 2017.

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Both combat and standards are directly related.

[Uxupox]

That is true but a person who has been in combat generally is more knowledgeable or exactly the circumstances of what is needed to achieve future success.

You could equally argue that it oversets perceptions of combat, and encourages and overly determinalistc line of thinking, or defence of the status quo (all traditional issues for the military) rather than acception of innovation or out of the box thinking.

They know how to fight sure, but are they also the best qualified to conduct comprehensive reforms?

Read the rest of the post.

[Valaran]

Both combat and standards are directly related.

Related sure, but not the same thing. Both you and Imperializt were discussing standards. The switch to combat was sudden, and neatly coincided with an appeal to authority:

Do you have CIB or have done combat?

[Firsthome]

Weren't you discussing standards?

Which is related to combat.

That's an odd and indirect way to talk about combat then, to discuss standards. If one is talking expressly about combat, wouldn't they then open with discussion on combat instead of:

So again what is the problem?

She met the requirements for joining, now she's joined up, now she has to pass.

TRADOC will fuck up and lower the standards. You will see in 2017.

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I'm an overweight legally blind asthmatic and wwhen I turn 18 I could probably join... I mean, I don't think I'm on any list.

[Uxupox]

Both combat and standards are directly related.

Related sure, but not the same thing. Both you and Imperializt were discussing standards. The switch to combat was sudden, and neatly coincided with an appeal to authority:

Do you have CIB or have done combat?

Because I trust more if a person and their opinion on the subject if they have experience on it.

[Valaran]

You could equally argue that it oversets perceptions of combat, and encourages and overly determinalistc line of thinking, or defence of the status quo (all traditional issues for the military) rather than acception of innovation or out of the box thinking.

They know how to fight sure, but are they also the best qualified to conduct comprehensive reforms?

Read the rest of the post.

I quoted what was relevant. Drill instruction is not that relevant to comprehensive reform, due to the point I just made. If you feel the rest of the post explains how insiders have a monopoly on the requisite knowledge needed for military reform, please explain how.

[Firsthome]

Frankly I don't see the normal female to be able to carry this type of equipment through the day. Which could be upwards of 15 miles or 20 miles depending on when their next objective is. The total weight of his equipment should be upwards to around 80 to 90 lbs. Do you expect somebody who is around 140lb to carry 90lbs of equipment for hours on end?

Care to share your thoughts?

Yah, since someone who is 180 lbs has to do it.

[Valaran]

Related sure, but not the same thing. Both you and Imperializt were discussing standards. The switch to combat was sudden, and neatly coincided with an appeal to authority:

Because I trust more if a person and their opinion on the subject if they have experience on it.

When was this about trust? Surely a valid point can be valid without trusting the poster. If there is a genuine argument against the relativity in standards (and I can think of some) as opposed to absolute standards, I'm sure it can be made regardless of whether you trust Imperializt Russia or not.

[Uxupox]

Which is related to combat.

That's an odd and indirect way to talk about combat then, to discuss standards. If one is talking expressly about combat, wouldn't they then open with discussion on combat instead of:

TRADOC will fuck up and lower the standards. You will see in 2017.

I'm an overweight legally blind asthmatic and wwhen I turn 18 I could probably join... I mean, I don't think I'm on any list.[/quote]

If you get an asthma attack while in the OSUT. You are pretty much insured that you will be medically discharged.

[Allanea]

That is true but a person who has been in combat generally is more knowledgeable or exactly the circumstances of what is needed to achieve future success. There is a reason why all drill sergeants in infantry OSUT have been in at least 3 to 4 tours. Because they know what is needed and they might work with them in the future so they will do their utmost best in assuring that warrior gets the knowledge and training he needs to achieve that.

That's pretty nice but a lot of the TRADOC planning is done by psychologists, medical professionals, and even military historians, who may not have necessarily seen combat. Personal experience is not the only true perspective.

[Uxupox]

Read the rest of the post.

I quoted what was relevant. Drill instruction is not that relevant to comprehensive reform, due to the point I just made. If you feel the rest of the post explains how insiders have a monopoly on the requisite knowledge needed for military reform, please explain how.

Drill sergeants are the individuals that give the training on they think it's needed to achieve success in a combat scenario. They don't listen to TRADOC bullshit.

That is true but a person who has been in combat generally is more knowledgeable or exactly the circumstances of what is needed to achieve future success. There is a reason why all drill sergeants in infantry OSUT have been in at least 3 to 4 tours. Because they know what is needed and they might work with them in the future so they will do their utmost best in assuring that warrior gets the knowledge and training he needs to achieve that.

That's pretty nice but a lot of the TRADOC planning is done by psychologists, medical professionals, and even military historians, who may not have necessarily seen combat. Personal experience is not the only true perspective.

And they fuck up a lot just like with those stress cards.

[Allanea]

I quoted what was relevant. Drill instruction is not that relevant to comprehensive reform, due to the point I just made. If you feel the rest of the post explains how insiders have a monopoly on the requisite knowledge needed for military reform, please explain how.

Drill sergeants are the individuals that give the training on they think it's needed to achieve success in a combat scenario. They don't listen to TRADOC bullshit.

There's only a limit to how much disobedience will be permitted.

There was once a time drill sergeants felt that physically assaulting troops was permissible.

[Firsthome]

I'm an overweight legally blind asthmatic and wwhen I turn 18 I could probably join... I mean, I don't think I'm on any list.

If you get an asthma attack while in the OSUT. You are pretty much insured that you will be medically discharged.

I only get asthma from smells... Like perfume. And colone. School sucks. People pour gallons of stuff on them.

[Valaran]

I quoted what was relevant. Drill instruction is not that relevant to comprehensive reform, due to the point I just made. If you feel the rest of the post explains how insiders have a monopoly on the requisite knowledge needed for military reform, please explain how.

Drill sergeants are the individuals that give the training on they think it's needed to achieve success in a combat scenario.

Indeed, but that's not the same thing as having the most informed opinion on reform.

[Hirota]

So again what is the problem?

She met the requirements for joining, now she's joined up, now she has to pass.

TRADOC will fuck up and lower the standards. You will see in 2017.

So, your argument is something that might happen is bad. You have no evidence to support that it will happen, only wild half-baked unsupported assumptions. Do you see how people might not take you seriously?

If she is good enough to pass, then there this is a non-issue. You're inventing drama where only fiction exists.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Well, due to rising obesity rates, the male population will soon not be enough to support the bloated US military. The US, therefore, has three options:

1) Decrease the size of the active military
2) Put in motion a long-term plan to fight rising obesity rates
3) Allow women into the army

Knowing the American political landscape, 1) is about as likely to happen as the British reconquest of the Thirteen Colonies. 2) Requires long-term planning from people who can't even pass a yearly budget. 3) Seems like the only viable option. And it's perfectly fine, because just because the average women has less muscle mass than the average male doesn't mean there are plenty of women who've got more muscle mass than the average male.

[Uxupox]

Drill sergeants are the individuals that give the training on they think it's needed to achieve success in a combat scenario. They don't listen to TRADOC bullshit.

There's only a limit to how much disobedience will be permitted.

There was once a time drill sergeants felt that physically assaulting troops was permissible.

Still is in some parts. You just gotta look deep.

TRADOC will fuck up and lower the standards. You will see in 2017.

So, your argument is something that might happen is bad. You have no evidence to support that it will happen, only wild half-baked unsupported assumptions. Do you see how people might not take you seriously?

If she is good enough to pass, then there this is a non-issue. You're inventing drama where only fiction exists.

No evidence? Just like they did with infantry BOLC? Hmm.

Well, due to rising obesity rates, the male population will soon not be enough to support the bloated US military. The US, therefore, has three options:

1) Decrease the size of the active military
2) Put in motion a long-term plan to fight rising obesity rates
3) Allow women into the army

Knowing the American political landscape, 1) is about as likely to happen as the British reconquest of the Thirteen Colonies. 2) Requires long-term planning from people who can't even pass a yearly budget. 3) Seems like the only viable option. And it's perfectly fine, because just because the average women has less muscle mass than the average male doesn't mean there are plenty of women who've got more muscle mass than the average male.

Downsizing is already underway.

[Firsthome]

Well, due to rising obesity rates, the male population will soon not be enough to support the bloated US military. The US, therefore, has three options:

1) Decrease the size of the active military
2) Put in motion a long-term plan to fight rising obesity rates
3) Allow women into the army

Knowing the American political landscape, 1) is about as likely to happen as the British reconquest of the Thirteen Colonies. 2) Requires long-term planning from people who can't even pass a yearly budget. 3) Seems like the only viable option. And it's perfectly fine, because just because the average women has less muscle mass than the average male doesn't mean there are plenty of women who've got more muscle mass than the average male.

Or, you know, they could have high school gym last for more than a quarter of a year