First female 11X has been accepted

[Wallenburg]

I'm a straight dude and I don't even care about seeing tits on the stree

And I'm not even a soldier

Frankly I think it's possible some soldiers that have a big problem with tits in the army are just acting overly heterosexual because they're afraid some of their latent homosexuality might ooze out.

Umm...wouldn't women in the ranks allow them to better hide this "latent homosexuality"?

[Victoriala]

I'm a straight dude and I don't even care about seeing tits on the stree

And I'm not even a soldier

Frankly I think it's possible some soldiers that have a big problem with tits in the army are just acting overly heterosexual because they're afraid some of their latent homosexuality might ooze out.

Is THE GAY still an issue in the barracks or some shit

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Allow me to clarify,

I have zero problem with females being in the Military and by extent, Combat Arms.

I do however, have a problem with there being a separate standard for females. There needs to be one universally adopted standard that both genders have to adhere too. Males, typically have greater capacity to become stronger with less effort than what female counter parts would require, hence making them more desirable.

If a female can adhere to the male standard, is capable of conducting all tasks required of her MOS I.E Buddy Carry someone in full kit, and is not a blatant detriment to the unit. Then yes, allow her to do the job. '

One example i can provide,

I am a Forward Observer, long story short meaning i have to carry a bag full of all of the equipment required for my job. Radios, Battery's, LRF's, GPS's in addition to standard Riflemen's kit.

Naked i weigh 200 pounds.
Body Armor with Combat Load (not Assault pack with FO shit) i'm at 250
Full kit with Assault pack i'm at 275.

And that's IF we're not rucking to where we need to go.

Now this may not mean a lot to some of you, but that is a lot of weight (meat, equipment ect.)

If i can't carry my equipment, I.E my FO pack, then i'm worthless. Regardless of how good i may be at my job. No one else is going to carry my shit for me, because they have their own shit to worry about.


Edit: some of you keep joking around about 'how much you lift' but i really don't think you realize exactly how physical the military is. It's no place for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

I understand it is not for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

The point we're making is that there's this shitfit about "the wimmyns" because it is assumed they won't be able to carry the same weight as a man simply because they're a woman.

If you have to carry 75 pounds of equipment while not rucking then 75 pounds should be what a woman should be able to carry in non-rucking situations too.

Nobody disagrees with that, what I personally disagree with is the notion that a woman can't carry that weight around.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You seem to assume there will be a different standard for men and women, although this hasn't been mentioned in the article. The only one mentioning it is the OP, whose preconceived notions on military bureaucracy seem to cloud his judgement.

[Imperial City-States]

Allow me to clarify,

I have zero problem with females being in the Military and by extent, Combat Arms.

I do however, have a problem with there being a separate standard for females. There needs to be one universally adopted standard that both genders have to adhere too. Males, typically have greater capacity to become stronger with less effort than what female counter parts would require, hence making them more desirable.

If a female can adhere to the male standard, is capable of conducting all tasks required of her MOS I.E Buddy Carry someone in full kit, and is not a blatant detriment to the unit. Then yes, allow her to do the job. '

One example i can provide,

I am a Forward Observer, long story short meaning i have to carry a bag full of all of the equipment required for my job. Radios, Battery's, LRF's, GPS's in addition to standard Riflemen's kit.

Naked i weigh 200 pounds.
Body Armor with Combat Load (not Assault pack with FO shit) i'm at 250
Full kit with Assault pack i'm at 275.

And that's IF we're not rucking to where we need to go.

Now this may not mean a lot to some of you, but that is a lot of weight (meat, equipment ect.)

If i can't carry my equipment, I.E my FO pack, then i'm worthless. Regardless of how good i may be at my job. No one else is going to carry my shit for me, because they have their own shit to worry about.


Edit: some of you keep joking around about 'how much you lift' but i really don't think you realize exactly how physical the military is. It's no place for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

I understand it is not for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

The point we're making is that there's this shitfit about "the wimmyns" because it is assumed they won't be able to carry the same weight as a man.

Since we can't go on an individual by individual basis, we're left with generalizations. And generally speaking, most females are not able to carry the same weight, for the same length of time, as a male.

[Esternial]

Allow me to clarify,

I have zero problem with females being in the Military and by extent, Combat Arms.

I do however, have a problem with there being a separate standard for females. There needs to be one universally adopted standard that both genders have to adhere too. Males, typically have greater capacity to become stronger with less effort than what female counter parts would require, hence making them more desirable.

If a female can adhere to the male standard, is capable of conducting all tasks required of her MOS I.E Buddy Carry someone in full kit, and is not a blatant detriment to the unit. Then yes, allow her to do the job. '

One example i can provide,

I am a Forward Observer, long story short meaning i have to carry a bag full of all of the equipment required for my job. Radios, Battery's, LRF's, GPS's in addition to standard Riflemen's kit.

Naked i weigh 200 pounds.
Body Armor with Combat Load (not Assault pack with FO shit) i'm at 250
Full kit with Assault pack i'm at 275.

And that's IF we're not rucking to where we need to go.

Now this may not mean a lot to some of you, but that is a lot of weight (meat, equipment ect.)

If i can't carry my equipment, I.E my FO pack, then i'm worthless. Regardless of how good i may be at my job. No one else is going to carry my shit for me, because they have their own shit to worry about.


Edit: some of you keep joking around about 'how much you lift' but i really don't think you realize exactly how physical the military is. It's no place for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

So, what is the separate standard and are women that pass this standard a detriment to their unit?

Or are you assuming their will be if they pass this unknown standard? That's pretty much was the OP does, as far as I see it.

Mind you if the standard for women is not satisfactory for them to properly do their job I completely agree with you.

[Imperial City-States]

You seem to assume there will be a different standard for men and women, although this hasn't been mentioned in the article. The only one mentioning it is the OP, whose preconceived notions on military bureaucracy seem to cloud his judgement.

Considering that there already is a different standard for men and women?

[Wallenburg]

I understand it is not for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

The point we're making is that there's this shitfit about "the wimmyns" because it is assumed they won't be able to carry the same weight as a man.

Since we can't go on an individual by individual basis, we're left with generalizations. And generally speaking, most females are not able to carry the same weight, for the same length of time, as a male.

The women interested in military service aren't most women.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I understand it is not for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

The point we're making is that there's this shitfit about "the wimmyns" because it is assumed they won't be able to carry the same weight as a man.

Since we can't go on an individual by individual basis, we're left with generalizations. And generally speaking, most females are not able to carry the same weight, for the same length of time, as a male.

Dock workers can, generally, carry more than college students.

Does that mean we should keep college students from serving in the armed forces?

[Esternial]

Since we can't go on an individual by individual basis, we're left with generalizations. And generally speaking, most females are not able to carry the same weight, for the same length of time, as a male.

The women interested in military service aren't most women.

Already mentioned that twice but apparently it hasn't caught on.

Indeed, they're not randomly sampled from the population.

I'm here all day if any of you need me to repeat that.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You seem to assume there will be a different standard for men and women, although this hasn't been mentioned in the article. The only one mentioning it is the OP, whose preconceived notions on military bureaucracy seem to cloud his judgement.

Considering that there already is a different standard for men and women?

What's the difference?

[Hurdegaryp]

Since we can't go on an individual by individual basis, we're left with generalizations. And generally speaking, most females are not able to carry the same weight, for the same length of time, as a male.

Dock workers can, generally, carry more than college students.

Does that mean we should keep college students from serving in the armed forces?

Female wrestlers are significantly stronger than regular blokes. Clearly we need armies composed of nothing but female wrestlers.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I understand it is not for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

The point we're making is that there's this shitfit about "the wimmyns" because it is assumed they won't be able to carry the same weight as a man.

Since we can't go on an individual by individual basis, we're left with generalizations. And generally speaking, most females are not able to carry the same weight, for the same length of time, as a male.

And practically speaking there's a shitton of variation in that.

Can I carry 75 pounds around my body besides my body weight? Sure.

Can a woman carry 75 pounds around their body besides their body weight better than I could? I'm sure there's plenty of women who can.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Dock workers can, generally, carry more than college students.

Does that mean we should keep college students from serving in the armed forces?

Female wrestlers are significantly stronger than regular blokes. Clearly we need armies composed of nothing but female wrestlers.

...

You have the best ideas when you're sarcastic, Hurde.

[Imperial City-States]

Allow me to clarify,

I have zero problem with females being in the Military and by extent, Combat Arms.

I do however, have a problem with there being a separate standard for females. There needs to be one universally adopted standard that both genders have to adhere too. Males, typically have greater capacity to become stronger with less effort than what female counter parts would require, hence making them more desirable.

If a female can adhere to the male standard, is capable of conducting all tasks required of her MOS I.E Buddy Carry someone in full kit, and is not a blatant detriment to the unit. Then yes, allow her to do the job. '

One example i can provide,

I am a Forward Observer, long story short meaning i have to carry a bag full of all of the equipment required for my job. Radios, Battery's, LRF's, GPS's in addition to standard Riflemen's kit.

Naked i weigh 200 pounds.
Body Armor with Combat Load (not Assault pack with FO shit) i'm at 250
Full kit with Assault pack i'm at 275.

And that's IF we're not rucking to where we need to go.

Now this may not mean a lot to some of you, but that is a lot of weight (meat, equipment ect.)

If i can't carry my equipment, I.E my FO pack, then i'm worthless. Regardless of how good i may be at my job. No one else is going to carry my shit for me, because they have their own shit to worry about.


Edit: some of you keep joking around about 'how much you lift' but i really don't think you realize exactly how physical the military is. It's no place for the soft and weak regardless of gender.

So, what is the separate standard and are women that pass this standard a detriment to their unit?

The current 'standard'

Long story short,

For a Male to barely pass a PT test in the Army (he'll be shit on by everyone around him for being weak)
42 Push ups (in two minutes)
53 Situps (in two minutes)
and a 15:54 two mile


Female to barely pass a PT test in the Army (no one cares)
19 Push ups
53 situps
and a 18:48 two mile


You can not seriously tell me that a male passing the bare minimum standard and a female passing her bare minimum standard are going to be anywhere near par in terms of physical capability.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Since we can't go on an individual by individual basis, we're left with generalizations. And generally speaking, most females are not able to carry the same weight, for the same length of time, as a male.

Dock workers can, generally, carry more than college students.

Does that mean we should keep college students from serving in the armed forces?

Clearly college students should go work on the docks, otherwise they are shit for the military.

[Imperial City-States]

Since we can't go on an individual by individual basis, we're left with generalizations. And generally speaking, most females are not able to carry the same weight, for the same length of time, as a male.

And practically speaking there's a shitton of variation in that.

Can I carry 75 pounds around my body besides my body weight? Sure.

Can a woman carry 75 pounds around their body besides their body weight better than I could? I'm sure there's plenty of women who can.

Ignoring the part of if you can carry it. Can you fight in it?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So, what is the separate standard and are women that pass this standard a detriment to their unit?

The current 'standard'

Long story short,

For a Male to barely pass a PT test in the Army (he'll be shit on by everyone around him for being weak)
42 Push ups (in two minutes)
53 Situps (in two minutes)
and a 15:54 two mile


Female to barely pass a PT test in the Army (no one cares)
19 Push ups
53 situps
and a 18:48 two mile


You can not seriously tell me that a male passing the bare minimum standard and a female passing her bare minimum standard are going to be anywhere near par in terms of physical capability.

Are the 19 pushups and 53 situps also marked in two minute intervals?

[Esternial]

Frankly I think it's possible some soldiers that have a big problem with tits in the army are just acting overly heterosexual because they're afraid some of their latent homosexuality might ooze out.

Umm...wouldn't women in the ranks allow them to better hide this "latent homosexuality"?

"I don't want women in my unit because women are too distracting for my totally heterosexual mind."

[Imperial City-States]

The current 'standard'

Long story short,

For a Male to barely pass a PT test in the Army (he'll be shit on by everyone around him for being weak)
42 Push ups (in two minutes)
53 Situps (in two minutes)
and a 15:54 two mile


Female to barely pass a PT test in the Army (no one cares)
19 Push ups
53 situps
and a 18:48 two mile


You can not seriously tell me that a male passing the bare minimum standard and a female passing her bare minimum standard are going to be anywhere near par in terms of physical capability.

Are the 19 pushups and 53 situps also marked in two minute intervals?

Correct, my apologies, forgot to annotate.

[Wallenburg]

So, what is the separate standard and are women that pass this standard a detriment to their unit?

The current 'standard'

Long story short,

For a Male to barely pass a PT test in the Army (he'll be shit on by everyone around him for being weak)
42 Push ups (in two minutes)
53 Situps (in two minutes)
and a 15:54 two mile


Female to barely pass a PT test in the Army (no one cares)
19 Push ups
53 situps
and a 18:48 two mile


You can not seriously tell me that a male passing the bare minimum standard and a female passing her bare minimum standard are going to be anywhere near par in terms of physical capability.

I agree, those different standards are not acceptable.

I'm curious though, if the Army is only just beginning to accept women in combat roles, where are these data coming from?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And practically speaking there's a shitton of variation in that.

Can I carry 75 pounds around my body besides my body weight? Sure.

Can a woman carry 75 pounds around their body besides their body weight better than I could? I'm sure there's plenty of women who can.

Ignoring the part of if you can carry it. Can you fight in it?

I don't know, since I haven't filled a backpack and other equipment with 75 pounds of concrete and tested that out.

Which, to be frank, I could do that just for shits and giggles.

[Imperial City-States]

The current 'standard'

Long story short,

For a Male to barely pass a PT test in the Army (he'll be shit on by everyone around him for being weak)
42 Push ups (in two minutes)
53 Situps (in two minutes)
and a 15:54 two mile


Female to barely pass a PT test in the Army (no one cares)
19 Push ups
53 situps
and a 18:48 two mile


You can not seriously tell me that a male passing the bare minimum standard and a female passing her bare minimum standard are going to be anywhere near par in terms of physical capability.

I agree, those different standards are not acceptable.

I'm curious though, if the Army is only just beginning to accept women in combat roles, where are these data coming from?

This is the standard to be in the Army. Not strictly combat roles as no such test formally exists.

[Imperial City-States]

Ignoring the part of if you can carry it. Can you fight in it?

I don't know, since I haven't filled a backpack and other equipment with 75 pounds of concrete and tested that out.

Which, to be frank, I could do that just for shits and giggles.

If you're legitimately interested, find an course where you can do plenty of sprints, low crawls, buddy drags, ammo can carries ect.

[Esternial]

You can not seriously tell me that a male passing the bare minimum standard and a female passing her bare minimum standard are going to be anywhere near par in terms of physical capability.

Never claimed they would be but is she a detriment if she passed the female standard and not the male standard?

Could be that the male standard is just higher than it realistically could be for them to be suitable soldiers. We'd need to know some performance records from women that have actually passed this standard, especially those that barely passed it, before we can say "this standard is shit".

For all we know they can be suitable soldiers and the male standard has just been set too high.