Will Classical Liberalism Kill the Social Justice Left?

[Ardoki]

Both groups had the same 'survival of the fittest goals'.
- The Nazis preferred brute force and violence.
- The libertarians prefer using the unregulated corporations to exploit and enslave.
Both are severe dangers to humanity, though libertarianism is probably slightly worse as it would result in the complete breakdown and collapse of society and civilisation.

Hitler was in no way a libertarian.

Stop defending Ayn Rand!

[The United Holy German Reich]

Hitler was in no way a libertarian.

Stop defending Ayn Rand!

I'm not. I'm defending the fact that Hitler was not a libertarian.

[Ardoki]

Stop defending Ayn Rand!

I'm not. I'm defending the fact that Hitler was not a libertarian.

So you admit to defending Hitler?

[Socialist Tera]

I'm not. I'm defending the fact that Hitler was not a libertarian.

So you admit to defending Hitler?

Fascism is a virulent disease that is different than the plague that is libertarianism

[The United Holy German Reich]

I'm not. I'm defending the fact that Hitler was not a libertarian.

So you admit to defending Hitler?

Yes. I am defending the fact that Adolf Hitler was not a libertarian. In almost any other debate about him, I would never defend him.

[Victoriala]

I'm not. I'm defending the fact that Hitler was not a libertarian.

So you admit to defending Hitler?

Are you literally this dense

[Victoriala]

I am a proud Libertarian. All i am reading is misunderstandings of Libertarianism. We are fascist? seriously. Libertarianism and Fascism are two conflicting political viewpoints. Libertarianism is also the fast growing political ideology in the world. We are getting stronger. People are waking up to the atrocities governments are doing. You cant hold down the people.

Are you trying to claim Hitler wasn't a nazi? Because he certainly was!

Stop trying to defend such horrendous ideologies!

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

[New Edom]

It is fairly reasonable to presume that the following persons or organizations are mainstream left:
The Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau
Sweden and Iceland's anti-pornography/anti-prostitution policies
UN Women
All the actors, politicians and other celebrities supporting Eve Ensler's "One Billion Rising"
Sheryl Sandberg
Condoleeza Rice
Beyonce
Emma Watson


Those are a few samples, but they talk the walk and walk the walk, they're representative of the Left that supports SJWs. They get commercials on television, they get talk show panels, they get books published, they get legislation encouraged, they get task forces made o issues.

Wait

Condoleezza Rice

What

How

Condoleeza Rice backs the "Ban Bossy' campaign which is SJW stuff if it ever existed.

[Ardoki]

Are you trying to claim Hitler wasn't a nazi? Because he certainly was!

Stop trying to defend such horrendous ideologies!

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

In my opinion, they are. Why shouldn't I just lump all ideologies which propagate hate and exploitation together? They have the same effect, so they are different forms of the same idea.

[The Liberated Territories]

So you admit to defending Hitler?

Are you literally this dense

denser than a concrete block

[Socialist Tera]

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

In my opinion, they are. Why shouldn't I just lump all ideologies which propagate hate and exploitation together? They have the same effect, so they are different forms of the same idea.

They are different poisons, if you don't understand how they work, how can you convince workers from avoiding those dangerous ideologies? Educate yourself.

[Noladea]

Are you trying to claim Hitler wasn't a nazi? Because he certainly was!

Stop trying to defend such horrendous ideologies!

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

IKR,
A quick look up of Libertarianism on google is:
Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.
If that's Fascism, than Democracy is Autocracy, x)

[Victoriala]

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

In my opinion, they are. Why shouldn't I just lump all ideologies which propagate hate and exploitation together? They have the same effect, so they are different forms of the same idea.

Your opinions are wrong. They aren't fact. Stop portraying them like they fucking are.

Causation does not mean correlation. Get. That. To. Your. Head.

[Costa Fierro]

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

In my opinion, they are. Why shouldn't I just lump all ideologies which propagate hate and exploitation together? They have the same effect, so they are different forms of the same idea.

So communism and socialism are the same thing?

[Naval Monte]

Why is it different from e.g. the Spanish Inquisition, or similar groups that are hateful and bigoted in the name of religion? Both persecuted people based on their beliefs, both were anti-science, both justified bigotry with their philosophy. In fact, I'd bet my money that more people died alone under the USSR's persecution than the history of the Catholic Church. In the year 1838 the author Brownlee estimated that "sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand" people died under the Catholic Church, whilst this graphic references about "94million" deaths under Communist rule. If anything, I would bet they come pretty close in numbers overall.

More info:
http://rodericke.com/were-most-human-de ... d-religion

Don't lie.

Hitler was basically a libertarian, he supported the libertarian ideology of social Darwinism.

Seriously how the hell can you draw the conclusion that Hitler was a Libertarian? He was as much of a Libertarian as Stalin was a Liberal.

[Republic of Libertara]

I am a proud Libertarian. All i am reading is misunderstandings of Libertarianism. We are fascist? seriously. Libertarianism and Fascism are two conflicting political viewpoints. Libertarianism is also the fast growing political ideology in the world. We are getting stronger. People are waking up to the atrocities governments are doing. You cant hold down the people.

Are you trying to claim Hitler wasn't a nazi? Because he certainly was!

Stop trying to defend such horrendous ideologies!

Libertarianism is far different from Nazism

[District XIV]

Hitler was basically a libertarian

Maybe you should read about how Nazi authorities executed 'enemies of the state' before you post stupid shit like this.

[Noladea]

Hitler was basically a libertarian

Maybe you should read about how Nazi authorities executed 'enemies of the state' before you post stupid shit like this.

IKR!
This guy makes my head hurt, x(

[Planita]

Why is it different from e.g. the Spanish Inquisition, or similar groups that are hateful and bigoted in the name of religion? Both persecuted people based on their beliefs, both were anti-science, both justified bigotry with their philosophy. In fact, I'd bet my money that more people died alone under the USSR's persecution than the history of the Catholic Church. In the year 1838 the author Brownlee estimated that "sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand" people died under the Catholic Church, whilst this graphic references about "94million" deaths under Communist rule. If anything, I would bet they come pretty close in numbers overall.

More info:
http://rodericke.com/were-most-human-de ... d-religion

Don't lie.

Hitler was basically a libertarian, he supported the libertarian ideology of social Darwinism.

Oh for F-

[District XIV]

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

In my opinion, they are. Why shouldn't I just lump all ideologies which propagate hate and exploitation together? They have the same effect, so they are different forms of the same idea.

Can we lump Stalinism and, say, democratic socialism in as one because one of them quite clearly propagates exploitation?

Libertarianism is far from Nazism. Pick up a damn book or read the fucking Wikipedia articles on Libertarianism and Nazism and you might be able to tell the difference.

[The Liberated Territories]

IIRC the Nazis attempt to persecute some libertarian forerunners like Hayek and von Mises. That was one of the reasons the former moved to Britain and the latter moved to the US. Both were jews, anyhow.

Edit: Well the Nazis didn't persecute Hayek directly, Hayek just decided that the climate was getting awfully hostile in his country and left for Britain instead, so he was one of the Jews that moved early.

[Luepola]

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

In my opinion, they are. Why shouldn't I just lump all ideologies which propagate hate and exploitation together? They have the same effect, so they are different forms of the same idea.

im going to lump communism and naziism together because they both killed dissidents

[Ardoki]

Some people here seem to be misreading my posts.

I never once said libertarians believed the same things as nazis. That would be absolutely ridiculous, as well as insulting. I don't believe that libertarians, or fascists for that matter, actively seek to propagate hatred and exploitation. The vast majority of them think they are doing what's best for society, however I believe they are very misguided.

I believe if ever implemented, libertarianism would lead to a society full of exploitation and oppression of the likes never seen before. Corporations would rule the world in some type of neo-feudalism, with the workers living as serfs with abysmal conditions and lives.
Under fascism, the state directed business. Under libertarianism, business would direct the state. That is why I see fascism and libertarianism as two sides of the same coin. However the prospect of corporations controlling the government frightens me, which is why I stated that I think libertarianism could quite possibly be worse.

Again, I wish to iterative that I don't believe the two ideologies hold the same principles. However I believe they would both lead to horrendous hatred and exploitation, and I believe that corporations running the government is an element which makes libertarianism seem worse than fascism to me.
I apologise if I offended anyone, that was not my intention.

[Insaeldor]

LIBERTARIANISM ISN'T FUCKING FASCISM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

In my opinion, they are. Why shouldn't I just lump all ideologies which propagate hate and exploitation together? They have the same effect, so they are different forms of the same idea.

In what ways do libertarianism support hate? Considering the fact that Libertarian theories support things such as freedom of the press, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, and support policies such as [ulr=http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Libertarian_Party_Immigration.htm]Extremly scares immigration laws.[/url] contrasted with Nazism which basicly propagated religious and racial hatred with many classical liberals actively reject. I don't think you know much about the subject of which your talking about considering that your saying Libertarianism and Nazism are equal because they support hate. But yet things you've said about religion in the past would lump you in with these groups as well, plus the fact that libertarians and Nazis agree on pretty much nothing as far as social policies are concerned and very limitedly on economic issues (Corporatism=/=Free Market Capitalism). Your claims of "defending Ayn Rand is rediculous because it doesn't argue the posters points. Not to mention that just because someone's a libertarian means they are a supporter of Ayn Rand (many libertarians disagree on her in multiple area, her views of self preservation and altruism for instance). Your claims of "defending Hitler" do they same. Your basicly trying to stop the discussion by saying "my opponent is wrong because he supports/defends Hitler" and doesn't answer the positions and points made by the poster.

.5/10 take a debate class mate.

[Noladea]

Some people here seem to be misreading my posts.

I never once said libertarians believed the same things as nazis. That would be absolutely ridiculous, as well as insulting. I don't believe that libertarians, or fascists for that matter, actively seek to propagate hatred and exploitation. The vast majority of them think they are doing what's best for society, however I believe they are very misguided.

I believe if ever implemented, libertarianism would lead to a society full of exploitation and oppression of the likes never seen before. Corporations would rule the world in some type of neo-feudalism, with the workers living as serfs with abysmal conditions and lives.
Under fascism, the state directed business. Under libertarianism, business would direct the state. That is why I see fascism and libertarianism as two sides of the same coin. However the prospect of corporations controlling the government frightens me, which is why I stated that I think libertarianism could quite possibly be worse.

Again, I wish to iterative that I don't believe the two ideologies hold the same principles. However I believe they would both lead to horrendous hatred and exploitation, and I believe that corporations running the government is an element which makes libertarianism seem worse than fascism to me.
I apologise if I offended anyone, that was not my intention.

See, now you make sense, x)
I have the same fear, I do not want large conglomerate of corporations running the world, it would be like a gigantic dictatorship,
but Governments can do the same, that's why i'm an Anarchist, both will oppress the people.