On Creationism and Evolution.

[The Ben Boys]

I don't expect God to perfectly elaborate complex concepts to primitive agriculturalists. I do expect him to do a better job than I could, and I could do a better job then Genesis.

Especially considering he's omnipotent and omniscient.

But no. The Hebrew language (WHICH HE INVENTED) causes him trouble with explanations.

I'd attribute that more to human error, what with translations and agendas and all.

[The Rich Port]

Especially considering he's omnipotent and omniscient.

But no. The Hebrew language (WHICH HE INVENTED) causes him trouble with explanations.

I'd attribute that more to human error, what with translations and agendas and all.

... Which the omniscient, omnipotent God could do nothing against.

[The Ben Boys]

I'd attribute that more to human error, what with translations and agendas and all.

... Which the omniscient, omnipotent God could do nothing against.

That's going into more into morality and predestination, which I can address though very haphazardly (and yes, there is an answer to that). Since it's off topic, I suggest you go onto the Christian Discussion Thread. They should be able to answer it better, but if not you can TG me anyways.

[Alvecia]

Except Genesis defines what it means by "day."

"God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day." - Genesis 1:5


There are ways you can divide it up to get six. Though doing that would mean that God has been resting for at least the last 65 million years. Which would mean that God created all the land creatures, and humans, sometime during the Mesozoic (age of dinosaurs.)


I don't expect God to perfectly elaborate complex concepts to primitive agriculturalists. I do expect him to do a better job than I could, and I could do a better job then Genesis.

How.

I know I wouldn't take seven days, that's for sure.
Some God.

[Korhal IVV]

How.

I know I wouldn't take seven days, that's for sure.
Some God.

Blasphemy.

[Alvecia]

I know I wouldn't take seven days, that's for sure.
Some God.

Blasphemy.

Hey, if he didn't want me to blapheme, he shouldn't be so bad at his job.
I mean really? 7 days? My grandma could create the universe quicker (were she omnipotent of course).
I bet he only took that long cause it made a good story.
What a show off.

[Ifreann]

Especially considering he's omnipotent and omniscient.

But no. The Hebrew language (WHICH HE INVENTED) causes him trouble with explanations.

I'd attribute that more to human error, what with translations and agendas and all.

Isn't it funny that things in the Bible that contradict established scientific fact are the result of human error, but the things in the Bible that map in any way onto established scientific fact are clearly the true word of God.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Simply put, my understanding of it (read: next to none) is that there's a ton of proof in favor of evolution, and not really anything in favor of creationism. Doesn't mean it's wrong, but creationists are going to need more evidence then, "Bible, go with it".

[The Foxes Swamp]

if it was a fact it wouldnt be called a theory

The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.

so there is no possibility whatsoever of any other reason?

[Farnhamia]

The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.

so there is no possibility whatsoever of any other reason?

There is no evidence whatsoever of any other reason. Creationism's criticism of the theory of evolution boil down to "You can't explain that, therefore God." What you end up with is "the God of the gaps," something a number of Christian writers have been deploring for a hundred and fifty years.

[Lady Scylla]

I'd attribute that more to human error, what with translations and agendas and all.

Isn't it funny that things in the Bible that contradict established scientific fact are the result of human error, but the things in the Bible that map in any way onto established scientific fact are clearly the true word of God.

It's almost as if people love cherries.

[Risottia]

so there is no possibility whatsoever of any other reason?

There is no evidence whatsoever of any other reason. Creationism's criticism of the theory of evolution boil down to "You can't explain that, therefore God." What you end up with is "the God of the gaps," something a number of Christian writers have been deploring for a hundred and fifty years.

Trust NSG to come up with something more backwards than the Second Vatican Council, or even the Council of Trento.

[Quokkastan]

Except Genesis defines what it means by "day."

"God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day." - Genesis 1:5


There are ways you can divide it up to get six. Though doing that would mean that God has been resting for at least the last 65 million years. Which would mean that God created all the land creatures, and humans, sometime during the Mesozoic (age of dinosaurs.)


I don't expect God to perfectly elaborate complex concepts to primitive agriculturalists. I do expect him to do a better job than I could, and I could do a better job then Genesis.

How.

How about you start by cutting out the stuff that's factually not true. Like the clearly erroneous order of creation.

Then I'd add a bit of an explanation for the origins of things that we understand well. You don't have to go into huge amounts of detail here, but something like "I forged the Earth in the crucible of the stars" would both be simple enough that a primitive agriculturalist could understand it, and pretty much accurate. And, since we are talking about farmers, I don't think a "tree of life" explanation of evolution would be completely beyond them.

Finally, since presumably we want them to learn something from this story, I might throw in something about most disease being caused by tiny creatures, and always washing your hands in clean water before you eat anything.

[Quokkastan]

I know I wouldn't take seven days, that's for sure.
Some God.

Blasphemy.

A victimless crime.

[Uxupox]

How.

I know I wouldn't take seven days, that's for sure.
Some God.

We aren't supposed to comprehend his essence.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I know I wouldn't take seven days, that's for sure.
Some God.

We aren't supposed to comprehend his essence.

Why the fuck not?

[Uxupox]

We aren't supposed to comprehend his essence.

Why the fuck not?

Gotta ask that in Christian Discussion thread if you want answers. It also depends on which denomination and the interpretation. I'm not very well versed in Christian theology.

[Lady Scylla]

We aren't supposed to comprehend his essence.

Why the fuck not?

Blasphemy *nodnod*

[Uxupox]

Why the fuck not?

Blasphemy *nodnod*

Bigoted response. *nodnod*

[Zoice]

Your post on seven days is as rigorous as numerology. Ad hoc matching means nothing, the bible has no predictive value and it is useless.

No, it's pointing out that, God forbid (hehe), people should actually think about context. I'm not advocating it, I'm drawing attention to an oft overlooked detail.

It's a detail that doesn't mean anything, like how the details of how many letters in what order make a certain pattern that proves 2012 is the apocalypse. Ad hoc rationalization and scrambles to fit the bible to the evidence are just proof of how useless religion is as a method of discovery.

Blasphemy *nodnod*

Bigoted opinion. *nodnod*

If it's bigotry to call bullshit when people preach intellectual laziness as a virtue, then I and every single scientist and philosopher are all proud bigots.

The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.

so there is no possibility whatsoever of any other reason?

You vastly underestimate the depth of the evidence in support of evolution.

Sure, it's possible but incredibly unlikely that the pope is really a lizard alien controlling the world, but there's a lot of evidence against that, and in favor of the conventional theory that he's just a guy. Evolution is about as well supported as that.

[Ifreann]

Isn't it funny that things in the Bible that contradict established scientific fact are the result of human error, but the things in the Bible that map in any way onto established scientific fact are clearly the true word of God.

It's almost as if people love cherries.

Cherries are delicious, especially freshly picked.

[Uxupox]

Bigoted opinion. *nodnod*

If it's bigotry to call bullshit when people preach intellectual laziness as a virtue, then I and every single scientist and philosopher are all proud bigots.

Where the fuck am I praising "intellectual laziness"?

[Quokkastan]

Why the fuck not?

Gotta ask that in Christian Discussion thread if you want answers. It also depends on which denomination and the interpretation. I'm not very well versed in Christian theology.

Yeah, no. I'm not dragging this into the Christian Discussion thread. If you can't say it here, don't bother saying it.

[Uxupox]

Gotta ask that in Christian Discussion thread if you want answers. It also depends on which denomination and the interpretation. I'm not very well versed in Christian theology.

Yeah, no. I'm not dragging this into the Christian Discussion thread. If you can't say it here, don't bother saying it.

Not my area of expertise.

[Quokkastan]

If it's bigotry to call bullshit when people preach intellectual laziness as a virtue, then I and every single scientist and philosopher are all proud bigots.

Where the fuck am I praising "intellectual laziness"?

Yeah, no. I'm not dragging this into the Christian Discussion thread. If you can't say it here, don't bother saying it.

Not my area of expertise.