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Is the "Conflict Thesis" a valid approach for historiography?

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The Repentant Schutzstaffel
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Postby The Repentant Schutzstaffel » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:34 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Repentant Schutzstaffel wrote:I just post for the lols :lol2:

LOLs is best reason. Work on humor, comrade.

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Postby Lost heros » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:34 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:Evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics.

I should include this in my stand up set.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:35 pm

The Repentant Schutzstaffel wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:LOLs is best reason. Work on humor, comrade.

You Soviet...?

Everybody's Russian.

Nah, it's worse. I'm Californian.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:36 pm

General Karl Von Hoffmann wrote:god created us through evolution and the big bang


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Postby The Imperium Empires » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:38 pm

Evolution is correct. There is proof to actually back it up.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:40 pm

The Foxes Swamp wrote:
Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:Evolution is a fact. Creationism is a myth trying to explain the facts.



if it was a fact it wouldnt be called a theory


Sorry to burst your bubble.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

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Postby The Imperium Empires » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:42 pm

Let's be serious there is no proof that creationism is correct. Unlike evolution that actully has proof. I'd like to see someone give me a reason why creationism is true and not because a book said.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:42 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
The Foxes Swamp wrote:

if it was a fact it wouldnt be called a theory


Sorry to burst your bubble.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.


We've all taken turns bursting his bubble...

I'm gonna call rape culture on it, honestly. :?
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Postby Zoice » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:43 pm

The Foxes Swamp wrote:
Adnan Nawaz And Bureacrats Elsewhere wrote:Evolution is a fact. Creationism is a myth trying to explain the facts.



if it was a fact it wouldnt be called a theory

The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:46 pm

The Imperium Empires wrote:Let's be serious there is no proof that creationism is correct. Unlike evolution that actully has proof. I'd like to see someone give me a reason why creationism is true and not because a book said.


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Postby Arctrucia » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:46 pm

Zoice wrote:
The Foxes Swamp wrote:

if it was a fact it wouldnt be called a theory

The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.

We haven't seen a species tranform to another. What I see is that moths turned black in the Industrial Revolution and living things adapt to their enviroment, but we haven't watched anything turn to another species.

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:47 pm

Arctrucia wrote:
Zoice wrote:The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.

We haven't seen a species tranform to another. What I see is that moths turned black in the Industrial Revolution and living things adapt to their enviroment, but we haven't watched anything turn to another species.


Just because you haven't seen something, doesn't mean it isn't there.

See? It's annoying, isn't it?
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Postby The Imperium Empires » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:49 pm

In other words

Science-1
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:53 pm

Arctrucia wrote:
Zoice wrote:The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.

We haven't seen a species tranform to another. What I see is that moths turned black in the Industrial Revolution and living things adapt to their enviroment, but we haven't watched anything turn to another species.

It's almost as if evolution takes *gasp* time!
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Postby Quokkastan » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:53 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:Evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics.

The Second Law indicates that in a closed system, energy will eventually reach equilibrium. Basically this is why your microwaved steak will have really hot and really cold bits if you try and take it out and eat it right away, but will be evenly cooked if you let it sit for a while.

This doesn't really have much to do with evolution on any level, but the main reason your argument fails is that Earth is not a closed system. There is a giant bright circle in the sky that occasionally warms part of it up.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:55 pm

Arctrucia wrote:
Zoice wrote:The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.

We haven't seen a species tranform to another. What I see is that moths turned black in the Industrial Revolution and living things adapt to their enviroment, but we haven't watched anything turn to another species.


http://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examp ... in-action/

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence

http://www.sciencealert.com/watch-proof ... r-own-body

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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:56 pm

Quokkastan wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:Evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics.

The Second Law indicates that in a closed system, energy will eventually reach equilibrium. Basically this is why your microwaved steak will have really hot and really cold bits if you try and take it out and eat it right away, but will be evenly cooked if you let it sit for a while.

This doesn't really have much to do with evolution on any level, but the main reason your argument fails is that Earth is not a closed system. There is a giant bright circle in the sky that occasionally warms part of it up.


That also wobbles back and forth, pulling us and everything else in the solar system along the galactic plane, with us on a planet that also wobbles and changes. Yeah.

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Postby The Ben Boys » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:13 pm

The Imperium Empires wrote:In other words

Science-1
Religon-0

It's thoughts like this that really makes two things that should be compatible anathema to each other.


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Postby The Imperium Empires » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:15 pm

Sorry wasn't trying to offend you.
We are not an apolcypse themed nation anymore read my factbook. I barley follow nation states stats. We are an Empire that gives civil rights and there no problem with that. We are advanced and would like anyone who wants to be friends to telegram us.

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:15 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
The Imperium Empires wrote:In other words

Science-1
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It's thoughts like this that really makes two things that should be compatible anathema to each other.


Or, you know... The Creationism that came before a secular belief in evolution.
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Postby Zoice » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:15 pm

Arctrucia wrote:
Zoice wrote:The fact is that evolution happened and continues to happen.

The theory is about exactly how it happens.

We haven't seen a species tranform to another. What I see is that moths turned black in the Industrial Revolution and living things adapt to their enviroment, but we haven't watched anything turn to another species.

Yes, we actually have witnessed speciation events. Moths turning black is a single example, and not a great one.
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Postby Zoice » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:16 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
The Imperium Empires wrote:In other words

Science-1
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It's thoughts like this that really makes two things that should be compatible anathema to each other.

They already are anathema.
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Postby Noraika » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:18 pm

Overall, my general view on the universe, and how it came about, in terms of both creationism, evolution, or otherwise, can be summed up by the quote below, by a youtuber named Logicked:
“I realize that I don’t even know enough about it to really firmly accept it or reject it. I’m also really not that personally invested in the answer. I’m perfectly happy to say ‘I don’t know’. Most days I’m perfectly happy to say ‘I don’t care’. And I’ll leave it to the people with the properly deep knowledge of this stuff to figure it out as best they can.” – Logicked
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Postby The Ben Boys » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:19 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:It's thoughts like this that really makes two things that should be compatible anathema to each other.


Or, you know... The Creationism that came before a secular belief in evolution.

No idea what you are referring to. Are you referring to pre-rennassaince researchers?

The Imperium Empires wrote:Sorry wasn't trying to offend you.


You weren't, it's more like dismay that people consider science and religion incompatible. I'm one of those "crazy religiousies" who thinks science is God's way of entertaining us.

Zoice wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:It's thoughts like this that really makes two things that should be compatible anathema to each other.

They already are anathema.


That's only a modern phenomena.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:25 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Or, you know... The Creationism that came before a secular belief in evolution.

No idea what you are referring to. Are you referring to pre-rennassaince researchers?

The Imperium Empires wrote:Sorry wasn't trying to offend you.


You weren't, it's more like dismay that people consider science and religion incompatible. I'm one of those "crazy religiousies" who thinks science is God's way of entertaining us.

Zoice wrote:They already are anathema.


That's only a modern phenomena.


I'm talking about Medieval researchers, actually.

From the 1960's.
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