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Is Donald Trump the new Theodore Roosevelt?

Postby Tavarica » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:20 am

Since I started following the Trump campaign, I couldn't help but see the striking similarities between the 2 men. Both are not too friendly with their own parties, from New York, from wealthy families, flamboyant, charismatic, energetic and use the force of their personalities to get their way.

Watch this video and tell me what you think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBpfih7w4B8

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Postby Khadgar » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:22 am

Donald has far more in common with the various South American populists than any US presidents.

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Postby Kar-Esseria » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:24 am

How dare you insult the great Teddy Roosevelt.
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:24 am

Tavarica wrote:Since I started following the Trump campaign, I couldn't help but see the striking similarities between the 2 men. Both are not too friendly with their own parties, from New York, from wealthy families, flamboyant, charismatic, energetic and use the force of their personalities to get their way.

Watch this video and tell me what you think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBpfih7w4B8

No. Not even a little bit. Not a tiny bit, not a small amount, not at all. Teddy was a former soldier, who believed heftily in regulation and in monopoly busting. Trump is a neo-conservative lunatic who lies like you and I breathe who never served and whose policies are misguided at best, potentially ruinous at worst.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:24 am

Kar-Esseria wrote:How dare you insult the great Teddy Roosevelt.

Thoroughly this.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:24 am

ill need a (real) photo of Donald riding a moose in a river before I can ever associate him with teddy Roosevelt.
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Postby Tavarica » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:28 am

I am honestly a fan of both and to me their similarity is shocking...

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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:28 am

Hell to the fuck no.

Trump is everything that man stood against.

That's like saying MLK and Hitler were the same because they were great public speakers.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:28 am

Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive who fought for protections for American workers against their employers and to protect valuable American landmarks from corporate exploitation through the National Parks program. He is nothing like Donald Trump. It would be more accurate to say that Donald Trumpp is Roosevelt's antithesis.
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Postby Tavarica » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:29 am

I think you people don't know what Trump stands for... He has basically the same policy ideas!

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Postby Tavarica » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:30 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive who fought for protections for American workers against their employers and to protect valuable American landmarks from corporate exploitation through the National Parks program. He is nothing like Donald Trump. It would be more accurate to say that Donald Trumpp is Roosevelt's antithesis.


Trump is a progressive who supports social healthcare and protection of American workers...

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:30 am

Tavarica wrote:I think you people don't know what Trump stands for... He has basically the same policy ideas!


I know exactly what Trump stands for. 99% of what he espouses would make Roosevelt vomit in torrents.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:31 am

Tavarica wrote:I think you people don't know what Trump stands for... He has basically the same policy ideas!


trump stands for trump

the rest is negotiable.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:31 am

Tavarica wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive who fought for protections for American workers against their employers and to protect valuable American landmarks from corporate exploitation through the National Parks program. He is nothing like Donald Trump. It would be more accurate to say that Donald Trumpp is Roosevelt's antithesis.


Trump is a progressive who supports social healthcare and protection of American workers...


No, he's not. He used to espouse that, but now is a far-right idealogue who wants to punish women for getting abortions.
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Postby ButterCatx » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:31 am

Tavarica wrote:I think you people don't know what Trump stands for... He has basically the same policy ideas!

These people are describing Trump's campaign and saying that it is the opposite. Trump is very similar to Roosevelt.

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Postby Khadgar » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:31 am

Tavarica wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive who fought for protections for American workers against their employers and to protect valuable American landmarks from corporate exploitation through the National Parks program. He is nothing like Donald Trump. It would be more accurate to say that Donald Trumpp is Roosevelt's antithesis.


Trump is a progressive who supports social healthcare and protection of American workers...


Okay feel free to chime in after you've learned something on the topic.

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Postby Platypus Reborn » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:32 am

Tavarica wrote:I think you people don't know what Trump stands for... He has basically the same policy ideas!


That's like saying Bush and Obama are similar. They are very, very different kinds of people.

Plus, Theodore isn't a terrible person like trump.
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Postby Diogott » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:32 am

If Trump gets shot, correctly identifies that since he is not coughing blood that he has not been shot in the lung and doesn't need to go to hospital for two hours, stands up on a podium in front of a crowd while blood seeps through his shirt, proceeds to speak calmly about his situation and continue to talk in a manner for two hours, I will begin to associate the two.

I'm more inclined, however, to believe Trump is going to scream hysterically and be anything but calm, like the average person who gets shot.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:32 am

Tavarica wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive who fought for protections for American workers against their employers and to protect valuable American landmarks from corporate exploitation through the National Parks program. He is nothing like Donald Trump. It would be more accurate to say that Donald Trumpp is Roosevelt's antithesis.


Trump is a progressive who supports social healthcare and protection of American workers...

I can't comment on the former, but he sure as fuck doesn't believe in the latter.

As close as he comes to the latter is lambasting about immigrants "taking American jobs" which by and large, they aren't in the first place.
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Postby ButterCatx » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:32 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Tavarica wrote:
Trump is a progressive who supports social healthcare and protection of American workers...


No, he's not. He used to espouse that, but now is a far-right idealogue who wants to punish women for getting abortions.

The blatant mis-quoting here is almost humorous.

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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:34 am

Tavarica wrote:I think you people don't know what Trump stands for... He has basically the same policy ideas!

No. He doesn't. He has no policy ideas except for vague promises to "make America great again". Here are his policies from his website.

1. We're gonna build a wall, and I'm gonna make Mexico pay for it. Not an exaggeration, or byte taken out of context, word for word what is on his website.

2. We're gonna ask congress to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

3. We're gonna dick around with China's trade (I'm paraphrasing here).

4. We're gonna slash taxes to a maximum of 15%. Which totally won't destroy the Government's ability to finance its projects.

There's a few other stupid bits, but these are the main four.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:35 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Tavarica wrote:
Trump is a progressive who supports social healthcare and protection of American workers...


No, he's not. He used to espouse that, but now is a far-right idealogue who wants to punish women for getting abortions.

You've made me defend Trump, so I hope you're happy about that.

But that situation is being taken wildly out of context. Which is a massive shame, because you don't need to take Trump out of context to take him to task.
If, went the hypothetical discussion, abortions were illegal - there would have to be some sort of punishment devised for women who fall foul of such hypothetical legislation.
Still a pretty shit thing to be saying given his garbage approval ratings amongst women, but, y'know, it's hardly even "bad for a Republican" these days.

This is absolutely not the same as saying "women who have abortions should be punished" because the situation and context is radically different.
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Postby Colbert Super PAC » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:35 am

No. Teddy was a big government statists who supported regulation while Trump stands for freedom!
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Postby AiliailiA » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:36 am

Is Donald Trump the new Hitler? No.

Hitler wasn't a nice guy, but at least he had some manners.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:37 am

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No, he's not. He used to espouse that, but now is a far-right idealogue who wants to punish women for getting abortions.

The blatant mis-quoting here is almost humorous.

He LITERALLY AGREED THAT WOMEN WHO GET ABORTIONS SHOULD BE PUNISHED IN A PUBLIC FUCKING INTERVIEW!

How the fuck can you do so many mental gymnastics that your brain can place for gold in the goddamn olympics.
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