Christian Discussion Thread VII: The Christ Awakens.

[Bari]

The author isn't an atheist; he's a Muslim. What you say though still applies. Personally, I just consider Muslims to he Christian heretics, but that's controversial like my support for the Crusdaes or my stance against abortion or my support for traditional marriage or just about most of my Christian beliefs.



Even if the author is a scholar and that's all he does, I still wouldn't necessarily simply believe him or think he's onto something. I'd have to be convinced by a cogent argument.

No, I meant being a scholar of religion, my time is primarily spent reading books by people who aren't particularily religious, let alone Catholic

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, I don't see how merely being a scholar in religious studies inherently gives one the authority or credibility to warrant the implicit assent of your audience.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, I meant being a scholar of religion, my time is primarily spent reading books by people who aren't particularily religious, let alone Catholic

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, I don't see how merely being a scholar in religious studies inherently gives one the authority or credibility to warrant the implicit assent of your audience.

It doesn't.

You study them to become acquainted with their ideas. Which is why I said, if your faith is shaken so harshly by a book you better go learn more about your own religious faith and doctrines.

The people who are most resolute in their faith are the ones who can argue for their faith.

[Herskerstad]

They made a great one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBJSBNj0Mnk

Interesting, I'll have to put that in my "watch sometime over the summer" pile.

*fantastic idea*

Now that would be a movie: Transformers, 1400's Edition.

If we only had someone who combines the manliness and independence of braveheart, giving both a message of fierce resistance and gentle kindness, while still having both a deeply academic and religious undertone.

Oh wait . . .

[Constantinopolis]

St. John Damascene, Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar.

Really? Really? You're calling one of the greatest Fathers of the Orthodox Church a "Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar"?

I mean, sure, St. John lived in a time before the Great Schism, so if you believe the pre-Schism Church was the Catholic Church, then I guess you can call him "Catholic", but only in the same sense in which we can call St. Patrick "Orthodox".

[Diopolis]

Wouldn't God being omniscient mean that he doesn't need to have a tap on the arm? He knows what we want, He knows what anybody prays for, a saint or the worst sinner can pray.

Following that logic, why do you pray at all in the first place? After all, since God already knows what you want, why bother to say it out loud in words?

You know what? We're going with it. Athanasius climbs up a mountain after being exiled and thrown off a mountainside, and when he gets back up he finds Excalibur and kills a demon-dragon that is planning to take over the world. He kills it and makes armor out of the dragon!

Ah. I see you are already handling historical accuracy like a real Hollywood screenwriter. You've got a natural talent for this!

You should work with Michael Bay.

I'll do it.
It's been a while since I acted.

Me!

Alright. There is only one way to settle this. We must have... a beard-off! First one to grow a beard like St. Athanasius wins.

Dangit. I can't grow a beard.
Maybe a villain role?

[Luminesa]

Interesting, I'll have to put that in my "watch sometime over the summer" pile.


Now that would be a movie: Transformers, 1400's Edition.

If we only had someone who combines the manliness and independence of braveheart, giving both a message of fierce resistance and gentle kindness, while still having both a deeply academic and religious undertone.

Oh wait . . .

G.K. Chesterton does that do. But with subtle British humor.

Come on, you know you love it. >.>

[Luminesa]

St. John Damascene, Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar.

Really? Really? You're calling one of the greatest Fathers of the Orthodox Church a "Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar"?

I mean, sure, St. John lived in a time before the Great Schism, so if you believe the pre-Schism Church was the Catholic Church, then I guess you can call him "Catholic", but only in the same sense in which we can call St. Patrick "Orthodox".

But the Orthodox and the Catholics both love him!

[Constantinopolis]

Really? Really? You're calling one of the greatest Fathers of the Orthodox Church a "Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar"?

I mean, sure, St. John lived in a time before the Great Schism, so if you believe the pre-Schism Church was the Catholic Church, then I guess you can call him "Catholic", but only in the same sense in which we can call St. Patrick "Orthodox".

But the Orthodox and the Catholics both love him!

And you can always call him "Catholic/Orthodox".

(or "Chalcedonian Christian", I guess, but the vast majority of people would have absolutely no idea what that means)

[Luminesa]

But the Orthodox and the Catholics both love him!

And you can always call him "Catholic/Orthodox".

(or "Chalcedonian Christian", I guess, but the vast majority of people would have absolutely no idea what that means)

...Nope. Enlighten me!

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

And you can always call him "Catholic/Orthodox".

(or "Chalcedonian Christian", I guess, but the vast majority of people would have absolutely no idea what that means)

...Nope. Enlighten me!

IIRC, it has to do with the Eccumenical Council of Chalcedon (?) regarding the nature of Christ being equally God and Human.

[Diopolis]

And you can always call him "Catholic/Orthodox".

(or "Chalcedonian Christian", I guess, but the vast majority of people would have absolutely no idea what that means)

...Nope. Enlighten me!

A chalcedonian Christian is a dyophysite who rejects nestorianism and believes in the trinity. So Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and nearly all protestants.

[Luminesa]

...Nope. Enlighten me!

IIRC, it has to do with the Eccumenical Council of Chalcedon (?) regarding the nature of Christ being equally God and Human.

I know what the Council is. Not sure if that's where the term came from, but probably so.

[Herskerstad]

If we only had someone who combines the manliness and independence of braveheart, giving both a message of fierce resistance and gentle kindness, while still having both a deeply academic and religious undertone.

Oh wait . . .

G.K. Chesterton does that do. But with subtle British humor.

Come on, you know you love it. >.>

I was thinking specific individuals, but if CK Chesterton studied under not one, but two of the greatest scholars of their days, saw his friend die a martyr, worked as a bodyguard, got captured and had to serve as a galley slave still with defiance, constant and dangerous struggles with the nobles, parliament, the church and even the monarch, creating an entire new branch of theology, yet also noticeable reforms put forward such as to regionalize centres of learnings and ensure education be made readily available for all whom desired it regardless of class or wealth then I guess we could make a movie about him?

[Constantinopolis]

...Nope. Enlighten me!

IIRC, it has to do with the Eccumenical Council of Chalcedon (?) regarding the nature of Christ being equally God and Human.

...Nope. Enlighten me!

A chalcedonian Christian is a dyophysite who rejects nestorianism and believes in the trinity. So Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and nearly all protestants.

Correct. In other words, a Chalcedonian Christian is someone who believes in the Trinity, and who believes that Jesus Christ was a single person (not two entities in one body, as the Nestorians claim), and who believes that this one person of Christ had two natures, being both fully man and fully God (i.e. the dyophysite doctrine, which was defined at the 4th Ecumenical Council, held in Chalcedon).

Today, Chalcedonian Christians include the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and nearly all Protestants. However, between the 5th and 11th centuries, Chalcedonian Christianity existed as a single Church, which split into the Orthodox and Catholic Churches at the time of the Great Schism (11th century). Therefore, "Chalcedonian Christian" is a neutral way to refer to pre-Schism Christians if you don't want to take sides by calling them either Catholic or Orthodox.

[Tutukerala]

We use it to symbolize our prayers going to Heaven. So we use after Intercessions, after the confession and absolution, and right before the final benediction.

As in a thurible (a chain censor, the thing this guy is holding) or do you just burn regular incense (like sticks)?

We use the censor

[Luminesa]

G.K. Chesterton does that do. But with subtle British humor.

Come on, you know you love it. >.>

I was thinking specific individuals, but if CK Chesterton studied under not one, but two of the greatest scholars of their days, saw his friend die a martyr, worked as a bodyguard, got captured and had to serve as a galley slave still with defiance, constant and dangerous struggles with the nobles, parliament, the church and even the monarch, creating an entire new branch of theology, yet also noticeable reforms put forward such as to regionalize centres of learnings and ensure education be made readily available for all whom desired it regardless of class or wealth then I guess we could make a movie about him?

...No, he didn't have any of that happen. But his writings are pretty sharp. (And it is GK, not CK. Lol.)

JPII had all that happen though:

1.) Studied under some great Polish Mystics and teachers.

2.) All his family was dead by the time he was 20.

3.) Survived the Nazi occupation of Poland by doing manual labor.

4.) Hid underground with seminarians, when he was going to enter priesthood.

5.) Fought corrupt governments and government officials most of his adult life.

6.) Introduced the Theology of the Body, promoted Devotion to Mary and the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy, and pushed the New Evangelization. Also started World Youth Day.

7.) Survived an assassination attempt.

8.) Pushed for education and for the dignity of all human life.

But they already have a couple movies about him. We still need to have him fight a dragon, though.

In the snow.

With a sword. By the power of Grayskull.

[Herith]

I'm being confirmed as an Anglican later this month. I was baptised Roman Catholic but never confirmed; I started to attend an Anglican Church last year.

[Luminesa]

IIRC, it has to do with the Eccumenical Council of Chalcedon (?) regarding the nature of Christ being equally God and Human.

A chalcedonian Christian is a dyophysite who rejects nestorianism and believes in the trinity. So Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and nearly all protestants.

Correct. In other words, a Chalcedonian Christian is someone who believes in the Trinity, and who believes that Jesus Christ was a single person (not two entities in one body, as the Nestorians claim), and who believes that this one person of Christ had two natures, being both fully man and fully God (i.e. the dyophysite doctrine, which was defined at the 4th Ecumenical Council, held in Chalcedon).

Today, Chalcedonian Christians include the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and nearly all Protestants. However, between the 5th and 11th centuries, Chalcedonian Christianity existed as a single Church, which split into the Orthodox and Catholic Churches at the time of the Great Schism (11th century). Therefore, "Chalcedonian Christian" is a neutral way to refer to pre-Schism Christians if you don't want to take sides by calling them either Catholic or Orthodox.

Ohhhh, I see. Nice.

Thank you!

[Tutukerala]

I'm being confirmed as an Anglican later this month. I was baptised Roman Catholic but never confirmed; I started to attend an Anglican Church last year.

Welcome, I am an Anglican as well

[Luminesa]

I'm being confirmed as an Anglican later this month. I was baptised Roman Catholic but never confirmed; I started to attend an Anglican Church last year.

Welcome, I am an Anglican as well

Why did I keep thinking you're Calvinist...huh...

Lumi needs to go take a nap. Her brain needs sleep.

[Herskerstad]

Welcome, I am an Anglican as well

Why did I keep thinking you're Calvinist...huh...

Lumi needs to go take a nap. Her brain needs sleep.

Anglicanism got several theological branches within itself.

[Anglican Communion]

I'm being confirmed as an Anglican later this month. I was baptised Roman Catholic but never confirmed; I started to attend an Anglican Church last year.

Welcome, I am an Anglican as well

"I am a Libertarian Calvinstic Anglo-Catholic"

I am curious, why do you consider yourself Anglo-Catholic?

[Tutukerala]

Welcome, I am an Anglican as well

"I am a Libertarian Calvinstic Anglo-Catholic"

I am curious, why do you consider yourself Anglo-Catholic?

I believe the Reformed Faith is continuation of the Catholic Faith. I agree we should keep all the traditions that the Holy Fathers gave to us, but it should be examined by Scripture

[Anglican Communion]

"I am a Libertarian Calvinstic Anglo-Catholic"

I am curious, why do you consider yourself Anglo-Catholic?

I believe the Reformed Faith is continuation of the Catholic Faith. I agree we should keep all the traditions that the Holy Fathers gave to us, but it should be examined by Scripture

Then you are High-Church Anglican, and not Anglo-Catholic. High Church Anglicanism is Catholic Practice + some Catholic Theology + Protestant Theology. Anglo-Catholicism is Catholic Theology + Catholic Practice + Some reformed views.

[Menassa]

I believe the Reformed Faith is continuation of the Catholic Faith. I agree we should keep all the traditions that the Holy Fathers gave to us, but it should be examined by Scripture

Then you are High-Church Anglican, and not Anglo-Catholic. High Church Anglicanism is Catholic Practice + some Catholic Theology + Protestant Theology. Anglo-Catholicism is Catholic Theology + Catholic Practice + Some reformed views.

Is there a Low-Church?