Christian Discussion Thread VII: The Christ Awakens.

[Conscentia]

Damn, you caught me making the same mistake I challenged Sally McFague of doing just yesterday. My appologies. God is incarnate or Manifest in the Eucharist.

As bread and wine indistinguishable in it's apparent characteristics from bread and wine that has yet to be transformed? I don't see why that's important.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Damn, you caught me making the same mistake I challenged Sally McFague of doing just yesterday. My appologies. God is incarnate or Manifest in the Eucharist.

As bread and wine indistinguishable in it's apparent characteristics from bread and wine that has yet to be transformed? I don't see why that's important.

I would point you to again that development of theology: the Eucharist is the Communion of God and believer. If Christ is not manifest, then it's not actually communion, a joining between God and Man, but just a ritual to bring one to the mind of God. It lessens in its importance without the "Real Presence"


I could offer some further musings but that would be my own musings and I don't believe official Catholic Doctrine.

[Jumalariik]

At mass they sang a Protestant hymn. thx VII

[Salus Maior]

At mass they sang a Protestant hymn. thx VII

What was the hymn? And was there anti-Catholic content or was it simply Protestant originated?

[Jumalariik]

At mass they sang a Protestant hymn. thx VII

What was the hymn? And was there anti-Catholic content or was it simply Protestant originated?

It was written by Charles Wesley. I like Protestant hymnody, so I can't complain 100%, but I think the cross-denominational pollination is best kept to tactics of evangelization and scholarship.

[Salus Maior]

What was the hymn? And was there anti-Catholic content or was it simply Protestant originated?

It was written by Charles Wesley. I like Protestant hymnody, so I can't complain 100%, but I think the cross-denominational pollination is best kept to tactics of evangelization and scholarship.

If there's nothing particularly anti-Catholic about the song outside of who made it I don't see a problem.

I can't tell you how many Catholics I know admire C.S Lewis and quote him despite him being a Protestant.

[Jumalariik]

It was written by Charles Wesley. I like Protestant hymnody, so I can't complain 100%, but I think the cross-denominational pollination is best kept to tactics of evangelization and scholarship.

If there's nothing particularly anti-Catholic about the song outside of who made it I don't see a problem.

I can't tell you how many Catholics I know admire C.S Lewis and quote him despite him being a Protestant.

True. CS Lewis is awesome. Thing is, theology is not sacred the same way that liturgy is. Theology is the known and unknown truth of God. Liturgy is sacred tradition descended from the Last Supper. Theology is about pure truth, liturgy is about preserving God's church in a very direct sense.

[Salus Maior]

If there's nothing particularly anti-Catholic about the song outside of who made it I don't see a problem.

I can't tell you how many Catholics I know admire C.S Lewis and quote him despite him being a Protestant.

True. CS Lewis is awesome. Thing is, theology is not sacred the same way that liturgy is. Theology is the known and unknown truth of God. Liturgy is sacred tradition descended from the Last Supper. Theology is about pure truth, liturgy is about preserving God's church in a very direct sense.

But if the Protestant originated song affirms truths Catholics also hold without contradicting Catholicism, that wouldn't compromise the sanctity of Liturgy.

Unless Catholic liturgy has only allowed hymns made by the Apostles and their direct successors up until this point?

[Jumalariik]

True. CS Lewis is awesome. Thing is, theology is not sacred the same way that liturgy is. Theology is the known and unknown truth of God. Liturgy is sacred tradition descended from the Last Supper. Theology is about pure truth, liturgy is about preserving God's church in a very direct sense.

But if the Protestant originated song affirms truths Catholics also hold without contradicting Catholicism, that wouldn't compromise the sanctity of Liturgy.

Unless Catholic liturgy has only allowed hymns made by the Apostles and their direct successors up until this point?

I don't know honestly what hymns were allowed before Vatican II.

Well, hymns are not just theology statements, they are parts of the Mass, where Jesus is brought out to his flock.

[Salus Maior]

I don't know honestly what hymns were allowed before Vatican II.

Well, hymns are not just theology statements, they are parts of the Mass, where Jesus is brought out to his flock.

Well, what's anti-Jesus about a Protestant-originated hymn? I mean, sure, Protestants are heretics according to the Catholic Church, but if the hymn doesn't have any heretical components in it, it might as well be a Catholic hymn.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

But if the Protestant originated song affirms truths Catholics also hold without contradicting Catholicism, that wouldn't compromise the sanctity of Liturgy.

Unless Catholic liturgy has only allowed hymns made by the Apostles and their direct successors up until this point?

I don't know honestly what hymns were allowed before Vatican II.

Well, hymns are not just theology statements, they are parts of the Mass, where Jesus is brought out to his flock.

The requirement that the author and composer must be Catholic has never to my knowledge been a requirement. Hymns are weighed on their content. If the content was contrary to Catholic Doctrine, you'd have a case. If not, little more than anti-Protestant bias from where I'm sitting.

[Luminesa]

What was the hymn? And was there anti-Catholic content or was it simply Protestant originated?

It was written by Charles Wesley. I like Protestant hymnody, so I can't complain 100%, but I think the cross-denominational pollination is best kept to tactics of evangelization and scholarship.

*Charles Wesley frowns sadly.*

*Pats shoulder.*

It's okay, bruh. We do love your hymns. Promise. Still trying to learn one on piano.

*Wesley is now happy.*

[The Archregimancy]

It was written by Charles Wesley. I like Protestant hymnody, so I can't complain 100%, but I think the cross-denominational pollination is best kept to tactics of evangelization and scholarship.

If there's nothing particularly anti-Catholic about the song outside of who made it I don't see a problem.

I can't tell you how many Catholics I know admire C.S Lewis and quote him despite him being a Protestant.

My wife and I live about 15-20 minutes from a medieval Anglican cathedral.

We join the Anglicans for their Christmas carol service.

I mean, I love the Orthodox liturgy and Orthodox hymns - particularly the Russian Easter hymns - but the Anglicans do have rather good carol services.

[Czechanada]

For some reason, I always imagined Anglican churches singing old English sea shanties instead of hymns.

One night we were fishing Happisburgh Light,
Fishing and trawling, all through the night
In this windy old weather, stormy old weather,
When the wind blows, we'll all pull together.

[Nordengrund]

If there's nothing particularly anti-Catholic about the song outside of who made it I don't see a problem.

I can't tell you how many Catholics I know admire C.S Lewis and quote him despite him being a Protestant.

My wife and I live about 15-20 minutes from a medieval Anglican cathedral.

We join the Anglicans for their Christmas carol service.

I mean, I love the Orthodox liturgy and Orthodox hymns - particularly the Russian Easter hymns - but the Anglicans do have rather good carol services.

I attend an evangelical Baptist church, and our choir sings hymns written by Anglicans, Lutherans, and Methodists.

We have Baptist hymn books, but we never use them.

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

If there's nothing particularly anti-Catholic about the song outside of who made it I don't see a problem.

I can't tell you how many Catholics I know admire C.S Lewis and quote him despite him being a Protestant.

My wife and I live about 15-20 minutes from a medieval Anglican cathedral.

We join the Anglicans for their Christmas carol service.

I mean, I love the Orthodox liturgy and Orthodox hymns - particularly the Russian Easter hymns - but the Anglicans do have rather good carol services.

Out of curioustiy, don't you get any comments from your Orthodox community members for joining service in a Anglican church?

[Ithqington]

Hello Everyone

So, Did you heard a news about Tim Kaine and Catholic Church?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/tim-kaine-christian-faith-lgbt-support-catholic-church-embrace-gay-marriage-169458/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... hange-view

[Constantinopolis]

Hello Everyone

So, Did you heard a news about Tim Kaine and Catholic Church?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/tim-kaine-christian-faith-lgbt-support-catholic-church-embrace-gay-marriage-169458/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... hange-view

Maybe he is under the mistaken impression that he is running for vice-Pope?

Heh. Of course, what is actually going on is that he was simply pandering to his audience (he was attending the national dinner of a major LGBT rights organization). In other words, doing what every politician does - just not doing it very well.

It means precisely nothing.

[Ithqington]

Hello Everyone

So, Did you heard a news about Tim Kaine and Catholic Church?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/tim-kaine-christian-faith-lgbt-support-catholic-church-embrace-gay-marriage-169458/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... hange-view

Maybe he is under the mistaken impression that he is running for vice-Pope?

Heh. Of course, what is actually going on is that he was simply pandering to his audience (he was attending the national dinner of a major LGBT rights organization). In other words, doing what every politician does - just not doing it very well.

It means precisely nothing.

Well, Is me or this is kinda weird that Tim Kaine think that Roman Catholic Church will embrace gay marriage?

Oh, and I do that "Vice-Pope" joke too.

[The Alma Mater]

Maybe he is under the mistaken impression that he is running for vice-Pope?

Heh. Of course, what is actually going on is that he was simply pandering to his audience (he was attending the national dinner of a major LGBT rights organization). In other words, doing what every politician does - just not doing it very well.

It means precisely nothing.

Well, Is me or this is kinda weird that Tim Kaine think that Roman Catholic Church will embrace gay marriage?

Why wouldn't it ? All that is required is that the church acknowledges that there are marriages - civil contracts between couples and the state - and holy matrimony - contracts between a couple and God - and that they are not the same thing.

[Coulee Croche]

Hello Everyone

So, Did you heard a news about Tim Kaine and Catholic Church?

http://www.christianpost.com/news/tim-kaine-christian-faith-lgbt-support-catholic-church-embrace-gay-marriage-169458/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... hange-view

Tim Kaine can't authoritatively speak on behalf of the Catholic Church. Here you go.

[Luminesa]

If there's nothing particularly anti-Catholic about the song outside of who made it I don't see a problem.

I can't tell you how many Catholics I know admire C.S Lewis and quote him despite him being a Protestant.

My wife and I live about 15-20 minutes from a medieval Anglican cathedral.

We join the Anglicans for their Christmas carol service.

I mean, I love the Orthodox liturgy and Orthodox hymns - particularly the Russian Easter hymns - but the Anglicans do have rather good carol services.

I'm sure it must be absolutely lovely. :3

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Well, Is me or this is kinda weird that Tim Kaine think that Roman Catholic Church will embrace gay marriage?

Why wouldn't it ? All that is required is that the church acknowledges that there are marriages - civil contracts between couples and the state - and holy matrimony - contracts between a couple and God - and that they are not the same thing.

They already do, to an extent.

Edit: also is it sad that I actually forgot who Tim Kaine was?

[Luminesa]

Why wouldn't it ? All that is required is that the church acknowledges that there are marriages - civil contracts between couples and the state - and holy matrimony - contracts between a couple and God - and that they are not the same thing.

They already do, to an extent.

Edit: also is it sad that I actually forgot who Tim Kaine was?

It's okay, I did too.

[The Archregimancy]

My wife and I live about 15-20 minutes from a medieval Anglican cathedral.

We join the Anglicans for their Christmas carol service.

I mean, I love the Orthodox liturgy and Orthodox hymns - particularly the Russian Easter hymns - but the Anglicans do have rather good carol services.

Out of curioustiy, don't you get any comments from your Orthodox community members for joining service in a Anglican church?

No. It's not a communion/mass/liturgy; it's just a local version of the well-known Nine Lessons and Carols, which consists of some Bible readings alongside some lovely carols; I think even the most anti-ecumenical Athonite would allow me that much.

And I'm married to an Orthodox archpriest's granddaughter; my wife's even more enthusiastic about going than I am.