Christian Discussion Thread VII: The Christ Awakens.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

If a person is talking over you and shouting misconceptions about your faith, just let them finish and then answer calmly. You'll look like the smart one no matter what you say, after that.

They just look disrespectful, so you always be the better man. As the motto of the Catholic Gentlmen states: Be a man. Be a saint

I'm neither a gentleman nor a saint

[Camaalbakrius]

We still have 23 posts left before 500 pages.

What's the best way to undercut bad theology?

see my responses to bad theology on this thread.

True. You have very good responses

[Tarsonis Survivors]

see my responses to bad theology on this thread.

True. You have very good responses

Thanks, but I meant that I jest. I admittedly still have far to go, and much to learn.

[The Princes of the Universe]

They just look disrespectful, so you always be the better man. As the motto of the Catholic Gentlmen states: Be a man. Be a saint

I'm neither a gentleman nor a saint

Being passionate doesn't disqualify one from being a gentleman. Or a saint-in-training, for that matter.

[Camaalbakrius]

True. You have very good responses

Thanks, but I meant that I jest. I admittedly still have far to go, and much to learn.

But seriously, you have very good responses. We will always have much to learn, but you are far more learned than me

[The Princes of the Universe]

Thanks, but I meant that I jest. I admittedly still have far to go, and much to learn.

But seriously, you have very good responses. We will always have much to learn, but you are far more learned than me

I second this motion. We've all much more to learn, but you have quite the head start on me.

[Czervenika]

So do we have a new thread yet or not?

We still have 23 posts left before 500 pages.

What's the best way to undercut bad theology?

Well 23 posts will go quickly .

[ShinChonJi]

Can someone give me something in the scripture that supports the idea of Trinity?

Also, can someone tell me how can all these denominations call themselves the truth? Isn't there only 1 truth in the end, and that's God?
If God exists, then there is ONE truth, making all the other interpretations NOT TRUE.

There is none.


The True "denomination" is Israel.

Well, according to Christianity, the Physical Israelites missed the fulfillment of what was written in the books of Moses, Psalms, and the Prophets. Hebrew 8:7-13 states that God made a new covenant, thereby abandoning the Israelites for another, which are the spiritual Israelites (Rom 2:19-20). So I guess if you studied thoroughly all the prophecies Jesus fulfilled, and you still reject him as the fulfillment because it's not what you imagined Old Testament fulfillment to be, then I guess there's nothing more we can say.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I need a good stiff drink or six after reading this.

[ShinChonJi]

Can someone give me something in the scripture that supports the idea of Trinity?

Also, can someone tell me how can all these denominations call themselves the truth? Isn't there only 1 truth in the end, and that's God?
If God exists, then there is ONE truth, making all the other interpretations NOT TRUE.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it. John 1: 1-5

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

I'm pretty sure that's got Jesus's place as the Son all set definitively.

Because all those denominations interpret either scripture, tradition, Church history or all three at once differently and for the most part have legitimate points.

When it says the word became flesh, does it mean literal flesh? When Jesus said, you must eat my flesh and drink my blood, did Jesus mean literal flesh and literal blood? In Revelation 7:14, the great multitude washed their robes white in the blood of the Lamb. Did they wash the robes in literal blood of lamb? Is it even literal robes? We have to think about these things.

Revelation 4 and 5 is where John got taken up to Heaven. There he saw someone sitting on a throne (Rev 4:2), which is God. In Rev 5:6-7, we see a Lamb come and take a scroll from the person sitting on the throne. The Lamb, who looked like it was slain, is Jesus of course. So if Jesus is God, did God just pass a scroll to himself?

Acts 7:56, when Stephen was stoned and saw Heaven, he literally said he sees the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.

We have to understand what does Word mean. Does Word mean Jesus? If Word means Jesus, then you should be able to substitute "Jesus" in for whenever the word "Word" is used, and it will still make sense. Of course it doesn't. So what does Word mean?

Much like how reading the diary of Anne Frank lets you see someone's dreams, secrets, goals, mindset, etc. Seeing the diary of God, the Bible, lets us view his commands, wishes, will, goals, plan. But God doesn't have to write a Bible in order to have a plan. God has a plan first, and then he wrote the Bible later. God's plan for us existed in the beginning, so that means the Word was in the beginning.

The Word was God. It just means God's mindset is expressed through the Word, so whatever plan and Will we read from the Bible, is also the plan and Will of God, because the scripture is God breathed, and written by God himself. So I can say Anne's Diary IS Anne, because so much of Anne's will is captured in her diary.

He was with God in the beginning. Similar to how the Word was with God in the beginning, God already knew he had to sacrifice his Son to save man since the beginning of time, because God is all-knowing. So the "He" is the concept of the Son whom will be sacrificed.

Through him all things were made. Through Jesus, he was able to fulfill all of the prophecy written about him in the Old Testament, so Jesus made all those things happen, without leaving a single prophecy unfulfilled. And without Jesus nothing could have been made; the prophecies couldn't have been fulfilled.

Jesus was the light. The darkness was the Pharisees. They didn't understand that Jesus was the fulfillment of all the prophecies they so diligently study.

Word became flesh. Means the will and plan recorded in the Word became reality. The plan of Jesus coming finally happened after 600 years since the final prophecy was written about him in Malachi.

My explanation requires a lot of background study. If someone just gives the answer to a calculus question without showing how they got the answer, it's hard to accept easily if it's right or wrong. Moreover, it's hard to follow the steps of the calculus question if one doesn't know how to add or subtract. One needs to learn the basics of the Bible in order to understand more deeply.

[Angleter]

As this thread nears it's end, I would like to once again suggest updating the poll. I'd like to offer two proposals - the first is a refinement, while the second proposes a new category:

• Roman Catholic
• Eastern Orthodox
• Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
• Anglican/Episcopalian
• Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
• Methodist
• Baptist
• Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
• Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
• Other Christian

• Roman Catholic
• Eastern Orthodox
• Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, etc.)
• Anglican/Episcopalian
• Lutheran or Reformed (including Calvinist, Presbyterian, etc.)
• Baptist
• Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
• Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
• Cultural Christian
• Other Christian

I'd oppose including 'Cultural Christian' in the poll. Considering that Westerners form a large majority on these forums, it's a de facto 'non-Christian' option.

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Also why does every wildly heterodox interpretation of Scripture in this thread have to come with a healthy dose of condescension these days?

[Nordengrund]

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it. John 1: 1-5

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

I'm pretty sure that's got Jesus's place as the Son all set definitively.

I think the nature of the Lord's presence in the Supper is a minor issue, personally. I think it's more importance that Christians observe it willingly out of love as it is a command instuted by Christ. As long as it is observed properly and for the right reasons, then I don't see why what one view a person holds to matters. Of course, it also important to not have any unconfessed sins when participating.

Because all those denominations interpret either scripture, tradition, Church history or all three at once differently and for the most part have legitimate points.

When it says the word became flesh, does it mean literal flesh? When Jesus said, you must eat my flesh and drink my blood, did Jesus mean literal flesh and literal blood? In Revelation 7:14, the great multitude washed their robes white in the blood of the Lamb. Did they wash the robes in literal blood of lamb? Is it even literal robes? We have to think about these things.

Revelation 4 and 5 is where John got taken up to Heaven. There he saw someone sitting on a throne (Rev 4:2), which is God. In Rev 5:6-7, we see a Lamb come and take a scroll from the person sitting on the throne. The Lamb, who looked like it was slain, is Jesus of course. So if Jesus is God, did God just pass a scroll to himself?

Acts 7:56, when Stephen was stoned and saw Heaven, he literally said he sees the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.

We have to understand what does Word mean. Does Word mean Jesus? If Word means Jesus, then you should be able to substitute "Jesus" in for whenever the word "Word" is used, and it will still make sense. Of course it doesn't. So what does Word mean?

Much like how reading the diary of Anne Frank lets you see someone's dreams, secrets, goals, mindset, etc. Seeing the diary of God, the Bible, lets us view his commands, wishes, will, goals, plan. But God doesn't have to write a Bible in order to have a plan. God has a plan first, and then he wrote the Bible later. God's plan for us existed in the beginning, so that means the Word was in the beginning.

The Word was God. It just means God's mindset is expressed through the Word, so whatever plan and Will we read from the Bible, is also the plan and Will of God, because the scripture is God breathed, and written by God himself. So I can say Anne's Diary IS Anne, because so much of Anne's will is captured in her diary.

He was with God in the beginning. Similar to how the Word was with God in the beginning, God already knew he had to sacrifice his Son to save man since the beginning of time, because God is all-knowing. So the "He" is the concept of the Son whom will be sacrificed.

Through him all things were made. Through Jesus, he was able to fulfill all of the prophecy written about him in the Old Testament, so Jesus made all those things happen, without leaving a single prophecy unfulfilled. And without Jesus nothing could have been made; the prophecies couldn't have been fulfilled.

Jesus was the light. The darkness was the Pharisees. They didn't understand that Jesus was the fulfillment of all the prophecies they so diligently study.

Word became flesh. Means the will and plan recorded in the Word became reality. The plan of Jesus coming finally happened after 600 years since the final prophecy was written about him in Malachi.

My explanation requires a lot of background study. If someone just gives the answer to a calculus question without showing how they got the answer, it's hard to accept easily if it's right or wrong. Moreover, it's hard to follow the steps of the calculus question if one doesn't know how to add or subtract. One needs to learn the basics of the Bible in order to understand more deeply.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

New thread is up. Got tired of waiting.

[Nordengrund]

New thread is up. Got tired of waiting.

I don't see it.

[Salus Maior]

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