Africa or Afrika?

[South Asia Minor]

Have you ever heard of what the Nazi's called the Jews and others they deemed "Undesirables", they called them subhuman for a start so tell me how that is not racist. And how Whites treated Africans and African Americans for centuries and still do today. Or WWII, Korean War, and the Indochina Wars wherein the United States and the European Powers essentially slandered the Japanese, Koreans, and Vietnamese. Racism in a U.S. general order during WWII in regards to the Japanese "Take no Prisoners".

Wut? That's insane, the US troops were encouraged to take prisoners and were punished if they didn't. Allied High Command was very interested in getting their hands on as many captured troops from the Japanese as possible considering how suicidally dedicated they were to "going to hell and taking a few with them".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ ... _attitudes

[Greater Allidron]

Little back story before we get into this:

Over the course of about 3-3 1/2 weeks, another player on my regions RMB has fought/debated over the spelling of Africa, or as they choose to spell it, Afrika (When speaking English). They believe that spelling it with a C is racist, due to the fact that invaders from Europe took over Africa and forced English and other European languages on the African people, and in order to avoid racism and completely free Africa from white-supremacy and European control, it should be spelt with a K instead of a C, because C's aren't normal within native African languages.

Now, there are some problems with this, one of them being that the Germans, Dutch, and Belgians all held land in Afrika at one point or another, and in their respective languages (Along with half of Belgium), spell it Afrika. Another problem here is that things are spelt differently in other languages, English only one of the many, many possible spellings of Africa, that's how languages work. So no, I don't think Africa's spelling needs to be changed in English.

But what do you think NSG? Should we let Africa be free and spell it Afrika? Or continue with the white-supremacist ways and spell it with a C? (Also, sorry if the poll's a bit off, still figuring out how to use my new tablet better :\ )

Stupid reasons to spell it with a k.

"Its wascist!"

No, it isn't.

But seriously, spelling it with a k is so much cooler.

Afrika

[The Alexanderians]

Wut? That's insane, the US troops were encouraged to take prisoners and were punished if they didn't. Allied High Command was very interested in getting their hands on as many captured troops from the Japanese as possible considering how suicidally dedicated they were to "going to hell and taking a few with them".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ ... _attitudes

I don't see anything about a general order

[South Asia Minor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ ... _attitudes

I don't see anything about a general order

I don't know about a general order but I know it was regarded as unofficial policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_wa ... acific_War

[The Two Jerseys]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ ... _attitudes

I don't see anything about a general order

In fact, it even proves your statement that the Allies wanted their men to take Japanese prisoners.

[Herskerstad]

Tomato, tomato.

[GraySoap]

In modern English it's Africa. Because it is. We gave up phonetic spelling for preserving Latin spelling.
In middle English it was commonly Affrike. Because copying Latin spelling was less important then.
Africa is a Latin word that we carried over into English. African languages not having c* makes no impact on English.

* (and they adapted the Latin alphabet only lately and so have rational Latinization of their languages. They didn't even use Latin letters until colonization. Why don't they give them all up? )

[South Asia Minor]

I don't see anything about a general order

In fact, it even proves your statement that the Allies wanted their men to take Japanese prisoners.

You clearly didn't read the whole thing. Or is this only based on policy and not actual actions?

[New Decius]

Have you ever heard of what the Nazi's called the Jews and others they deemed "Undesirables", they called them subhuman for a start so tell me how that is not racist. And how Whites treated Africans and African Americans for centuries and still do today. Or WWII, Korean War, and the Indochina Wars wherein the United States and the European Powers essentially slandered the Japanese, Koreans, and Vietnamese. Racism in a U.S. general order during WWII in regards to the Japanese "Take no Prisoners".

Wut? That's insane, the US troops were encouraged to take prisoners and were punished if they didn't. Allied High Command was very interested in getting their hands on as many captured troops from the Japanese as possible considering how suicidally dedicated they were to "going to hell and taking a few with them".

Really why do you think Japanese civilians jumped off cliffs rather than face capture by US Forces. The Pacific War was not a Political Fight it was essentially a Race War.

[Gigaverse]

Just one K? Why not three?

[The Two Jerseys]

In modern English it's Africa. Because it is. We gave up phonetic spelling for preserving Latin spelling.

In middle English it was commonly Affrike. Because copying Latin spelling was less important then.

Hell, people couldn't even spell their own names consistently back then. Catherine of Aragon used at least four different spellings for her signature.

[GraySoap]

Really why do you think Japanese civilians jumped off cliffs rather than face capture by US Forces. The Pacific War was not a Political Fight it was essentially a Race War.

For the same reason thousands of Germans piled into deathtrap ships during the Russian advance. Their own propaganda told their people that the invader would leave no quarter and would rape any girls/women/grannies and kill everyone and their dog regardless of their combatant status.

[South Asia Minor]

Ffs the whole reason I brought up racism is that the name is racist regardless of spelling, since it's a European colonial world. The crux of the conversation, however, should be that Africa is the OFFICIAL and PRACTICAL word to describe the continent so it's a waste of time debating.

[The Two Jerseys]

In fact, it even proves your statement that the Allies wanted their men to take Japanese prisoners.

You clearly didn't read the whole thing. Or is this only based on policy and not actual actions?

HQ's orders were for troops to take Japanese prisoners if possible.

The troops themselves were the ones that said "Fuck that, Remember Bataan!" and hosed them with small arms fire.

Wut? That's insane, the US troops were encouraged to take prisoners and were punished if they didn't. Allied High Command was very interested in getting their hands on as many captured troops from the Japanese as possible considering how suicidally dedicated they were to "going to hell and taking a few with them".

Really why do you think Japanese civilians jumped off cliffs rather than face capture by US Forces. The Pacific War was not a Political Fight it was essentially a Race War.

Yeah, it totally had nothing to do with the Japanese troops telling the civilians "the Yankees are gonna gang rape you if they take you alive".

[South Asia Minor]

You clearly didn't read the whole thing. Or is this only based on policy and not actual actions?

HQ's orders were for troops to take Japanese prisoners if possible.

The troops themselves were the ones that said "Fuck that, Remember Bataan!" and hosed them with small arms fire.

So it is policy and not action?

[GraySoap]

Ffs the whole reason I brought up racism is that the name is racist regardless of spelling, since it's a European colonial world. The crux of the conversation, however, should be that Africa is the OFFICIAL and PRACTICAL word to describe the continent so it's a waste of time debating.

We call Germany (from Latin Germania) rather than their own name (Deutschland).
We call Africa (from Latin Africa) rather than some hypothetical own name (there's a thousand different names for their land varying by language).
We call Asia (from Latin, from Greek Asia) rather than their own names (again, thousands of languages).

Why should we make an exception for one continent?

[South Asia Minor]

Ffs the whole reason I brought up racism is that the name is racist regardless of spelling, since it's a European colonial world. The crux of the conversation, however, should be that Africa is the OFFICIAL and PRACTICAL word to describe the continent so it's a waste of time debating.

We call Germany (from Latin Germania) rather than their own name (Deutschland).
We call Africa (from Latin Africa) rather than some hypothetical own name (there's a thousand different names for their land varying by language).
We call Asia (from Latin, from Greek Asia) rather than their own names (again, thousands of languages).

Why should we make an exception for one continent?

Ohmygodareyoudense

I'm saying we shouldn't, you fannybaws.

[The Two Jerseys]

HQ's orders were for troops to take Japanese prisoners if possible.

The troops themselves were the ones that said "Fuck that, Remember Bataan!" and hosed them with small arms fire.

So it is policy and not action?

Again: the Allied generals wanted Japanese prisoners in order to gain intel; the Allied soldiers didn't give a fuck about taking Japanese prisoners because of the way the Japanese abused Allied POWs, or they figured their surrender attempts were a trick.

[GraySoap]

But how is it racist?
It originated in the time of Rome. Well before Europe's chattel/race slavery.

[Risottia]

Ffs the whole reason I brought up racism is that the name is racist regardless of spelling, since it's a European colonial world. The crux of the conversation, however, should be that Africa is the OFFICIAL and PRACTICAL word to describe the continent so it's a waste of time debating.

Actually not a European colonial word, as it was used before any European power colonized Africa - yep, before Alexander. Also colonies do not imply racism (see: Rome).

[South Asia Minor]

So it is policy and not action?

Again: the Allied generals wanted Japanese prisoners in order to gain intel; the Allied soldiers didn't give a fuck about taking Japanese prisoners because of the way the Japanese abused Allied POWs.

Moral equivalency was not their argument.

[South Asia Minor]

Ffs the whole reason I brought up racism is that the name is racist regardless of spelling, since it's a European colonial world. The crux of the conversation, however, should be that Africa is the OFFICIAL and PRACTICAL word to describe the continent so it's a waste of time debating.

Actually not a European colonial word, as it was used before any European power colonized Africa - yep, before Alexander. Also colonies do not imply racism (see: Rome).

Christ, to reiterate, it's a term for a small portion applied to an entire continent. Do none of you read past the last five posts?

[The Two Jerseys]

Again: the Allied generals wanted Japanese prisoners in order to gain intel; the Allied soldiers didn't give a fuck about taking Japanese prisoners because of the way the Japanese abused Allied POWs.

Moral equivalency was not their argument.

And? I'm still not seeing any order for Allied troops to give the Japanese no quarter. What I am seeing is the exact opposite.

[The Alexanderians]

Wut? That's insane, the US troops were encouraged to take prisoners and were punished if they didn't. Allied High Command was very interested in getting their hands on as many captured troops from the Japanese as possible considering how suicidally dedicated they were to "going to hell and taking a few with them".

Really why do you think Japanese civilians jumped off cliffs rather than face capture by US Forces. The Pacific War was not a Political Fight it was essentially a Race War.

Because at the time japanese society stated that it was more honorable to die by your own hand than be captured or killed by the hand of your enemy.

You think it was a race war? I guess resources, imperialism, and general sentiment had nothing to do with it.

Let me guess "Pearl Harbor was an inside job" too?

[The Alexanderians]

I don't see anything about a general order

I don't know about a general order but I know it was regarded as unofficial policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_wa ... acific_War

I was responding to a post that stated it was a general order. I'm not contesting this crimes happened I'm contesting that they were official orders.