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Postby Old Tyrannia » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:09 pm

H-Alba wrote:
Northern Freikur wrote:Scotland : na h-Alba

That means of Scotland. The Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland is Alba; attaching the h- is done when the word proceeding it (in this case na) ends in a vowel and the word starts with a vowel (Alba), and adding the h does not change the word. While na means of. So, for example, Rioghachd na h-Alba (kingdom of Scotland), notice the A in Alba is capitalised and not h-, since the h- is not considered a part of the word itself.


Anyway, no... There is no reason to change the spelling of Africa

Are you a Gaelic speaker?
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:12 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
H-Alba wrote:That means of Scotland. The Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland is Alba; attaching the h- is done when the word proceeding it (in this case na) ends in a vowel and the word starts with a vowel (Alba), and adding the h does not change the word. While na means of. So, for example, Rioghachd na h-Alba (kingdom of Scotland), notice the A in Alba is capitalised and not h-, since the h- is not considered a part of the word itself.


Anyway, no... There is no reason to change the spelling of Africa

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Postby H-Alba » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:12 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
H-Alba wrote:That means of Scotland. The Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland is Alba; attaching the h- is done when the word proceeding it (in this case na) ends in a vowel and the word starts with a vowel (Alba), and adding the h does not change the word. While na means of. So, for example, Rioghachd na h-Alba (kingdom of Scotland), notice the A in Alba is capitalised and not h-, since the h- is not considered a part of the word itself.


Anyway, no... There is no reason to change the spelling of Africa

Are you a Gaelic speaker?

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:18 pm

New haven america wrote:Little back story before we get into this:

Over the course of about 3-3 1/2 weeks, another player on my regions RMB has fought/debated over the spelling of Africa, or as they choose to spell it, Afrika (When speaking English). They believe that spelling it with a C is racist, due to the fact that invaders from Europe took over Africa and forced English and other European languages on the African people, and in order to avoid racism and completely free Africa from white-supremacy and European control, it should be spelt with a K instead of a C, because C's aren't normal within native African languages.

Now, there are some problems with this, one of them being that the Germans, Dutch, and Belgians all held land in Afrika at one point or another, and in their respective languages (Along with half of Belgium), spell it Afrika. Another problem here is that things are spelt differently in other languages, English only one of the many, many possible spellings of Africa, that's how languages work. So no, I don't think Africa's spelling needs to be changed in English.

But what do you think NSG? Should we let Africa be free and spell it Afrika? Or continue with the white-supremacist ways and spell it with a C? (Also, sorry if the poll's a bit off, still figuring out how to use my new tablet better :\ )


did the people of Africa call it AFRICA? I don't know but I'm thinking not. if not then the spelling of the invader's name is irrelevant to racism.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:18 pm

H-Alba wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Are you a Gaelic speaker?

Yes; i'm native to Scottish Gaelic and i'm a Linguist (professionally) dealing with Celtic Languages (particularly, Irish, Manx and Scottish Gaelic/the Goidelic languages. I do, however, speak Welsh as well).

That's awesome. I'd love to learn Scottish Gaelic; I love the aesthetics of the language, as well as being generally interested in all aspects of my Scottish heritage. But I am told that Celtic languages are quite difficult to learn.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:19 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
New haven america wrote:Little back story before we get into this:

Over the course of about 3-3 1/2 weeks, another player on my regions RMB has fought/debated over the spelling of Africa, or as they choose to spell it, Afrika (When speaking English). They believe that spelling it with a C is racist, due to the fact that invaders from Europe took over Africa and forced English and other European languages on the African people, and in order to avoid racism and completely free Africa from white-supremacy and European control, it should be spelt with a K instead of a C, because C's aren't normal within native African languages.

Now, there are some problems with this, one of them being that the Germans, Dutch, and Belgians all held land in Afrika at one point or another, and in their respective languages (Along with half of Belgium), spell it Afrika. Another problem here is that things are spelt differently in other languages, English only one of the many, many possible spellings of Africa, that's how languages work. So no, I don't think Africa's spelling needs to be changed in English.

But what do you think NSG? Should we let Africa be free and spell it Afrika? Or continue with the white-supremacist ways and spell it with a C? (Also, sorry if the poll's a bit off, still figuring out how to use my new tablet better :\ )


did the people of Africa call it AFRICA? I don't know but I'm thinking not. if not then the spelling of the invader's name is irrelevant to racism.


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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:20 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
did the people of Africa call it AFRICA? I don't know but I'm thinking not. if not then the spelling of the invader's name is irrelevant to racism.


Not

that's not a helpful response.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:22 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Not

that's not a helpful response.

You were thinking right, Africa is not a native name to the land. afawak.
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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:30 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:that's not a helpful response.

You were thinking right, Africa is not a native name to the land. afawak.

oh ok thanks.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:31 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
New haven america wrote:Little back story before we get into this:

Over the course of about 3-3 1/2 weeks, another player on my regions RMB has fought/debated over the spelling of Africa, or as they choose to spell it, Afrika (When speaking English). They believe that spelling it with a C is racist, due to the fact that invaders from Europe took over Africa and forced English and other European languages on the African people, and in order to avoid racism and completely free Africa from white-supremacy and European control, it should be spelt with a K instead of a C, because C's aren't normal within native African languages.

Now, there are some problems with this, one of them being that the Germans, Dutch, and Belgians all held land in Afrika at one point or another, and in their respective languages (Along with half of Belgium), spell it Afrika. Another problem here is that things are spelt differently in other languages, English only one of the many, many possible spellings of Africa, that's how languages work. So no, I don't think Africa's spelling needs to be changed in English.

But what do you think NSG? Should we let Africa be free and spell it Afrika? Or continue with the white-supremacist ways and spell it with a C? (Also, sorry if the poll's a bit off, still figuring out how to use my new tablet better :\ )


did the people of Africa call it AFRICA? I don't know but I'm thinking not. if not then the spelling of the invader's name is irrelevant to racism.

Given Africa's history, diversity, and massive size, I don't think any Africans gave the entire continent a name.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:37 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
did the people of Africa call it AFRICA? I don't know but I'm thinking not. if not then the spelling of the invader's name is irrelevant to racism.

Given Africa's history, diversity, and massive size, I don't think any Africans gave the entire continent a name.


that's what I was thinking. that makes the spelling of it irrelevant. that cant be where the racism lies (if there is any racism in the name of a continent) more important is the changing of European names to African names--as in Zimbabwe instead of Rhodesia. ....not that I know anything about the origins of the word Zimbabwe but whatever.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:01 pm

Republic of Canador wrote:Good lord. Even spelling must be politically correct now.

Funny considering there isn't really evidence for political correctness. Kind of how there is no evidence for the anti vaccine crowd.
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Postby Skeckoa » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:05 pm

Risottia wrote:Aren't you sure you don't mean "Afrikan-Amerikan from North Karolinen"?
I think it has to do with the KKK in American folklore, but "Afrikan-Amerikan" seems racist to me.
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Postby Merala » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:07 pm

Its like calling Congo "Zaire" all over again.
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Postby Skeckoa » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:14 pm

New Waterford wrote:Except the name "Africa" itself was given to the whole continent by Europeans (it originally referred to a Roman province in the north of the continent). Even if you spell it with a K, you're still referring to the continent by a name of European origin, which seems to contradict the reasoning behind the spelling change.

Africa is a continent with numerous diverse cultures and languages. It's unlikely that there can be another name for the continent which would be agreed upon by the majority of Africans and/or represents African people as a whole. Until such a name is presented which is popular among Africans, the word 'Africa' seems fine to me.
I don't think name origins are inherently racist. There are a lot of countries, regions, and cities that we have names for in English that are due to historical oddities.

The Koreans for example don't call themselves Korean, the Chinese also don't call themselves anything close to "China". That's fine. But in this case, even many African languages call the continent Africa. What in the world is the problem than with Afriqa?
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:16 pm

Skeckoa wrote:
New Waterford wrote:Except the name "Africa" itself was given to the whole continent by Europeans (it originally referred to a Roman province in the north of the continent). Even if you spell it with a K, you're still referring to the continent by a name of European origin, which seems to contradict the reasoning behind the spelling change.

Africa is a continent with numerous diverse cultures and languages. It's unlikely that there can be another name for the continent which would be agreed upon by the majority of Africans and/or represents African people as a whole. Until such a name is presented which is popular among Africans, the word 'Africa' seems fine to me.
I don't think name origins are inherently racist. There are a lot of countries, regions, and cities that we have names for in English that are due to historical oddities.

The Koreans for example don't call themselves Korean, the Chinese also don't call themselves anything close to "China". That's fine. But in this case, even many African languages call the continent Africa. What in the world is the problem than with Afriqa?

There's no "q" in Africa. ;)
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Postby UCE Watchdog of the Puppets » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:18 pm

However your language represents the voiceless velar stop before the local equivalent of the final-position open unrounded vowel.
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Old Tyrannia wrote:Are you a Gaelic speaker?

*Gaelik, you rakist bastard.

Now we're just getting silly here. Don't replace the voiceless alveolar sibilant with a voiceless velar stop! It's spelled racist, you philistines with no love of proper, rules-oriented orthography.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:45 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:that's not a helpful response.

You were thinking right, Africa is not a native name to the land. afawak.

Some etymologists, like Lipinski, hypothesize that Africa is derived from some Berber names.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:49 pm

Merala wrote:Its like calling Congo "Zaire" all over again.

Refresh my memory, is that Congo-Leopoldville or Conga-Brazzaville?
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:50 pm

Afriqua.

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Republic of Canador wrote:Good lord. Even spelling must be politically correct now.
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Postby Talvezout » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:52 pm

I would imagine that spelling it as Afrika would be more racist, if only for the Afrika Corps.

(Yes, I am very much aware that that's how Africa is spelled in several languages.)

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:53 pm

Merala wrote:Its like calling Congo "Zaire" all over again.

well no it isn't

changing the name of a country is nothing like insisting on a new spelling of an old name.
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Postby Negresia and Gruenia » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:54 pm

New haven america wrote:because C's aren't normal within native African languages.

Are letters normal with native African languages?
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:55 pm

Republic of Canador wrote:Good lord. Even spelling must be politically correct now.

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