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Africa or Afrika?

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Africa or Afrika?

Postby New haven america » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:34 pm

Little back story before we get into this:

Over the course of about 3-3 1/2 weeks, another player on my regions RMB has fought/debated over the spelling of Africa, or as they choose to spell it, Afrika (When speaking English). They believe that spelling it with a C is racist, due to the fact that invaders from Europe took over Africa and forced English and other European languages on the African people, and in order to avoid racism and completely free Africa from white-supremacy and European control, it should be spelt with a K instead of a C, because C's aren't normal within native African languages.

Now, there are some problems with this, one of them being that the Germans, Dutch, and Belgians all held land in Afrika at one point or another, and in their respective languages (Along with half of Belgium), spell it Afrika. Another problem here is that things are spelt differently in other languages, English only one of the many, many possible spellings of Africa, that's how languages work. So no, I don't think Africa's spelling needs to be changed in English.

But what do you think NSG? Should we let Africa be free and spell it Afrika? Or continue with the white-supremacist ways and spell it with a C? (Also, sorry if the poll's a bit off, still figuring out how to use my new tablet better :\ )
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Postby Prolieum » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:37 pm

New haven america wrote:Little back story before we get into this:

Over the course of about 3-3 1/2 weeks, another player on my regions RMB has fought/debated over the spelling of Africa, or as they choose to spell it, Afrika (When speaking English). They believe that spelling it with a C is racist, due to the fact that invaders from Europe took over Africa and forced English and other European languages on the African people, and in order to avoid racism and completely free Africa from white-supremacy and European control, it should be spelt with a K instead of a C, because C's aren't normal within native African languages.

Now, there are some problems with this, one of them being that the Germans, Dutch, and Belgians all held land in Afrika at one point or another, and in their respective languages (Along with half of Belgium), spell it Afrika. Another problem here is that things are spelt differently in other languages, English only one of the many, many possible spellings of Africa, that's how languages work. So no, I don't think Africa's spelling needs to be changed in English.

But what do you think NSG? Should we let Africa be free and spell it Afrika? Or continue with the white-supremacist ways and spell it with a C? (Also, sorry if the poll's a bit off, still figuring out how to use my new tablet better :\ )


I have an instinctive like of Afrika because, you know, Deutschland über alles and all that, but no, the C spelling is perfectly fine-as you said, that is how languages work, it is not as if the term was designed to subjugate, it is simply how the English spell it, to reverse course on this would not only be hypocritical, since Belgium, who really had the worst crimes, spelled it as such, but because you would essentially have to nuke every country name to its name in its original language, which is absurd.
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Postby Republic of Canador » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:38 pm

Good lord. Even spelling must be politically correct now.
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Postby Khadgar » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:38 pm

If one objects to calling it Africa citing racism, I can scarcely see how Afrika is in any way an improvement. That said according to Wikipedia no one has any really solid notion as to why it's called Africa.

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Postby Kahanistan » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:38 pm

Call it by its Swahili name. And no, I don't speak Swahili.

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Postby Indian Empire » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:38 pm

The peoples of AfriCa/AfriKa should decide how they want it spelled.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:40 pm

Republic of Canador wrote:Good lord. Even spelling must be politically correct now.

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Postby Immoren » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:40 pm

"Africka".
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Postby Northern Freikur » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:42 pm

New haven america wrote:Little back story before we get into this:

Over the course of about 3-3 1/2 weeks, another player on my regions RMB has fought/debated over the spelling of Africa, or as they choose to spell it, Afrika (When speaking English). They believe that spelling it with a C is racist, due to the fact that invaders from Europe took over Africa and forced English and other European languages on the African people, and in order to avoid racism and completely free Africa from white-supremacy and European control, it should be spelt with a K instead of a C, because C's aren't normal within native African languages.

Now, there are some problems with this, one of them being that the Germans, Dutch, and Belgians all held land in Afrika at one point or another, and in their respective languages (Along with half of Belgium), spell it Afrika. Another problem here is that things are spelt differently in other languages, English only one of the many, many possible spellings of Africa, that's how languages work. So no, I don't think Africa's spelling needs to be changed in English.

But what do you think NSG? Should we let Africa be free and spell it Afrika? Or continue with the white-supremacist ways and spell it with a C? (Also, sorry if the poll's a bit off, still figuring out how to use my new tablet better :\ )


Africa is spelled with a C. Phonetically, it is the same as a K. Seriously, why is this even being debated. When I polled in, 7/7 people agreed with the C.

A more relevant debate would be about changing the name of the American continents. And even that debate is kinda stupid.
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Postby Northern Freikur » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:43 pm

Republic of Canador wrote:Good lord. Even spelling must be politically correct now.


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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:43 pm

We should just stick with 'the dark continent'. That's less offensive, right?
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:44 pm

afrique of course
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Postby Prusselanden » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:44 pm

Afrika sounds nicer. Or Feizhou.
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Postby Prolieum » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:44 pm

Spelling it at all is racist against those who do not have a written language! And speaking it is discriminating against the deaf! And knowing it exists is discriminating against the ignorant! Quickly, we all must lobotomize ourselves immediately, in the name of Social Justice!

There is a definite difference between an actively discriminatory term, and quibbling over two identical phonetic letters. The whole debate is absurd.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:45 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:We should just stick with 'the dark continent'. That's less offensive, right?


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Postby Equestria and Griffon » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:45 pm

Just say "Eurafasia" Kappa
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Postby Sanctissima » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:45 pm

In English, it's Africa. Spelling it any other way, within the confines of the English language, is nonsense.

If someone actually wanted to spell it in the traditional African way, they wouldn't use the Latin alphabet. In fact, they wouldn't even call it Africa. They'd use one of the various tribal names for the continent, of which there are many. Your friend doesn't seem to know what they're talking about.

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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:46 pm

Republic of Canador wrote:Good lord. Even spelling must be politically correct now.


the question in the OP is pretty silly but i'm going lol at you if you don't think language up to and including, yes, spelling can be political.
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Postby Rhyphix » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:46 pm

Does it really matter seriously? Everyone already knows what you're talking about no matter what way you spell it.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:46 pm

Immoren wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:We should just stick with 'the dark continent'. That's less offensive, right?


Three sectors:
"Dark continent"
"Even darker continent"
"I can't see a thing continent."

But what about the area beyond the third sector?
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:47 pm

Or it's Arabic name, Bilad As Sudaniyyah or Bilad Al-Afriki
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Postby Ndaku » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:47 pm

as long as people know what you're trying to say, that's all that should matter.
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Postby Anollasia » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:47 pm

That's not racist, just English.

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Postby Demostopia » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:48 pm

let the English be Africa let Dutch be Afrika
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Postby Khadgar » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:48 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Or it's Arabic name, Bilad As Sudaniyyah or Bilad Al-Afriki


Yes but you'd have to write that in Arabic because gods know that translating names from Arabic to English has been a royal pain in the ass in the past.

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