Panama Papers thread

[Ashworth-Attwater]

He's only on the list because of his role in his family's business.

which is what i've said? you can go back and read my post if you want. it'll take like 40 seconds.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

don't get me wrong, i'm not just banging the same drum because macri is right-wing. i'm anxious to see how tankies explain the shitloads of money revolutionary™ leaders like gadaffi and assad had/have overseas.

[Talvezout]

Copypasting this from reddit:

The 12 heads of state are:
Mauricio Macri, president or Argentina.
Bidzina Ivanishvill. ex PM of Georgia
Sigmundur Davío Gunnlaugsson, PM of Iceland. (The something-something was me being a lazy bum, sue me)
Ayad H. Allawi, ex PM of Iraq.
Ali Abu-Ragheb, ex PM of Jordan.
Hamad Jasim J.M. Al-Thani, ex PM of Qatar.
Sheik Al-Thani, Emir of Qatar.
HM King Salman, King of Saudi Arabia
Ahmad Al-Nirghani, ex-president of Sudan
Sultan Al-Nahyan, president of the UAE.
Pavlo Lazarenko, ex-PM of Ukraine.
Petro Poroshenko, president of Ukraine.
SOURCE
Update 1: SOURCE
Mohammed VI of Morocco might also be involved. Mossack Fonseca created the company to which his personal yatch is registered.
Family members of Ilham Aliyev, president of Azerbajan also used Fonseca to manage mining and real estate investments.
8 High echelon communist party members of People's Republic of China also used their services. Xi Jinping is amongst them, who's linked to two businesses in the British Virgin Islands.
Minor update 2: SOURCE
Six members of the UK’s House of Lords, three former Conservative MPs and dozens of donors to UK political parties have had offshore assets.
Minor update 3: David Cameron possibly involved: his deceased father had obtained Fonseca's services

[Calimera II]

Macri already responded to the issue. Nothing illegal. No big deal whatsoever.

i mean, he's had his name mentioned in this huge corruption scandal. it is a big deal, even if he's innocent. you can't ignore this just because you like macri.

How is it a big deal if there seems to be no problem at all?

Your comment proves my point. The facts are presented in such a way that those who are enlisted 'look' like criminals.

[Major-Tom]

don't get me wrong, i'm not just banging the same drum because macri is right-wing. i'm anxious to see how tankies explain the shitloads of money revolutionary™ leaders like gadaffi and assad had/have overseas.

I understand. That being said, I'm still inclined to believe that Macri had limited, if not any, connections to Fonseca simply because it stems more so from his family's dealings.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

His name was mentioned. Until details arise on the extent of his involvement in all of this, I'm simply not going to engage in a kneejerk propensity to make accusations.

i don't think i'm making any accusations. pratically all i said is that macri has been implicated in all of this. in fact, iirc, i was the first to offer his perspective on the issue by repeating his official statement.

[Novus America]

don't get me wrong, i'm not just banging the same drum because macri is right-wing. i'm anxious to see how tankies explain the shitloads of money revolutionary™ leaders like gadaffi and assad had/have overseas.

Also the Putin lovers.

[Major-Tom]

His name was mentioned. Until details arise on the extent of his involvement in all of this, I'm simply not going to engage in a kneejerk propensity to make accusations.

i don't think i'm making any accusations. pratically all i said is that macri has been implicated in all of this. in fact, iirc, i was the first to offer his perspective on the issue by repeating his official statement.

Then I think that many of us are on the same wavelength, Calimera, myself, and you included.

[Novus America]

don't get me wrong, i'm not just banging the same drum because macri is right-wing. i'm anxious to see how tankies explain the shitloads of money revolutionary™ leaders like gadaffi and assad had/have overseas.

I understand. That being said, I'm still inclined to believe that Macri had limited, if not any, connections to Fonseca simply because it stems more so from his family's dealings.

True. But people will still use it against him.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Fat chance of that.
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That's nonsense. Dictators are more corrupt than democratic leaders because there's no accountability. But David Cameron's father and the president of Argentina's family have been named.

Yeah, but learning that Putin or the other high governmental officials in Russia are corrupt isn't surprising. There's also precisely nothing we can really do about it. The issue here is that the methodology the papers are evidently using to search the documents is extremely limited in scope, designed to target famous politicians, professional athletes and other public personalities. Their intention is not, apparently, to do much actual forensic accounting at all, and have stated point blank that much of the data will never be released. Doubtless there's reams of data here on the lower-level offshoring that makes up the company's bread and butter (and doubtless there's a lot of corruption there too) but there's little indication that much will ever be done with or about it.

[Calimera II]

i don't think i'm making any accusations. pratically all i said is that macri has been implicated in all of this. in fact, iirc, i was the first to offer his perspective on the issue by repeating his official statement.

Then I think that many of us are on the same wavelength, Calimera, myself, and you included.

Yup.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

How is it a big deal if there seems to be no problem at all?

Your comment proves my point. The facts are presented in such a way that those who are enlisted 'look' like criminals.

the big deal is that the name of a head of state was mentioned in a huge international corruption scandal. whether he is innocent or not remains to be seen. this however, doesn't change the fact that his name was mentioned in a — i repeat — huge international scandal. this is a big deal. do you know what a big deal is? a huge international corruption scandal could be classified as a big deal. it can't not be a big deal because you think he's innocent. this does not change the nature of the scandal.

GET. THIS. THROUGH. YOUR. HEAD.

[Calimera II]

I understand. That being said, I'm still inclined to believe that Macri had limited, if not any, connections to Fonseca simply because it stems more so from his family's dealings.

True. But people will still use it against him.

Oh god,it started.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

don't get me wrong, i'm not just banging the same drum because macri is right-wing. i'm anxious to see how tankies explain the shitloads of money revolutionary™ leaders like gadaffi and assad had/have overseas.

Also the Putin lovers.

yes, indeed

[Calimera II]

The Kirchner family, also involved in this international scandal, says that the accusation is totally false.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

Countries with public officials implicated in the Panama Papers leak

[Novus America]

How is it a big deal if there seems to be no problem at all?

Your comment proves my point. The facts are presented in such a way that those who are enlisted 'look' like criminals.

the big deal is that the name of a head of state was mentioned in a huge international corruption scandal. whether he is innocent or not remains to be seen. this however, doesn't change the fact that his name was mentioned in a — i repeat — huge international scandal. this is a big deal. do you know what a big deal is? a huge international corruption scandal could be classified as a big deal. it can't not be a big deal because you think he's innocent. this does not change the nature of the scandal.

GET. THIS. THROUGH. YOUR. HEAD.

And in the media you are guilty until, and often after you are proven innocent.

[Thomas Insaniac]

Countries with public officials implicated in the Panama Papers leak

I'm surprised Germany is clean, honestly. Although it's probably the same case with Germany, America and other nations, they just use another company.

[Thomas Insaniac]

How is it a big deal if there seems to be no problem at all?

Your comment proves my point. The facts are presented in such a way that those who are enlisted 'look' like criminals.

the big deal is that the name of a head of state was mentioned in a huge international corruption scandal. whether he is innocent or not remains to be seen. this however, doesn't change the fact that his name was mentioned in a — i repeat — huge international scandal. this is a big deal. do you know what a big deal is? a huge international corruption scandal could be classified as a big deal. it can't not be a big deal because you think he's innocent. this does not change the nature of the scandal.

GET. THIS. THROUGH. YOUR. HEAD.

Guilt by association is never good, investigations should happened where suspect is apparent, but everyone is innocent until proven otherwise.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

the big deal is that the name of a head of state was mentioned in a huge international corruption scandal. whether he is innocent or not remains to be seen. this however, doesn't change the fact that his name was mentioned in a — i repeat — huge international scandal. this is a big deal. do you know what a big deal is? a huge international corruption scandal could be classified as a big deal. it can't not be a big deal because you think he's innocent. this does not change the nature of the scandal.

GET. THIS. THROUGH. YOUR. HEAD.

And in the media you are guilty until, and often after you are proven innocent.

meh. not necessarily. i mean, depending on who's heading the government the media might not even bother to give a thorough report on the scandal.

but that's usually not the case.

[Calimera II]

Countries with public officials implicated in the Panama Papers leak

I'm surprised Germany is clean, honestly. Although it's probably the same case with Germany, America and other nations, they just use another company.

That doesn't mean that businesses, celebrities and other important figures aren't involved, though.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Countries with public officials implicated in the Panama Papers leak

I'm surprised Germany is clean, honestly. Although it's probably the same case with Germany, America and other nations, they just use another company.

It's worth noting that Mossack Fonseca is the fourth-largest offshoring company in the world - just imagine what the three bigger companies ahead of it have locked up in their databases.

[Calimera II]

Some of the accusations are really far-fetched. The public outcry will be enormous, I think. The media loves these kind of stories so they will utilise it until something else bad happens.

I'm surprised Germany is clean, honestly. Although it's probably the same case with Germany, America and other nations, they just use another company.

It's worth noting that Mossack Fonseca is the fourth-largest offshoring company in the world - just imagine what the three bigger companies ahead of it have locked up in their databases.

Yes... that is quite scary.

[Costa Fierro]

Yay! New Zealand is relevant!

[Conserative Morality]

Good stuff, good stuff. I hope some corrupt assholes get their assholes torn a new asshole from this.