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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:45 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-35918844
http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/art ... c3495adf4/

BBC News wrote:Eleven million documents were leaked from one of the world's most secretive companies, Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca. They show how Mossack Fonseca has helped clients launder money, dodge sanctions and evade tax.
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The documents show links to 72 current or former heads of state in the data, including dictators accused of looting their own countries.
Süddeutsche Zeitung wrote:The data provides rare insights into a world that can only exist in the shadows. It proves how a global industry led by major banks, legal firms, and asset management companies secretly manages the estates of the world’s rich and famous: from politicians, Fifa officials, fraudsters and drug smugglers, to celebrities and professional athletes.


So, NSG, Mossack Fonseca, a Panamanian law firm known for being cozy with dictators, banks, the super rich and overall international scumbags has had 2.6 terabytes of data leaked (c. 11.5 million documents, ranging from the 1970's to 2016) revealing how said scumbags use tax havens to hide their money. The families of Putin, Hosni Mubarak, Muammar Gadaffi and Bashar al-Assad are being implicated in the scandal, but perhaps most surprisingly, it seems that even the prime minister of Iceland, supposedly one of the least corrupt countries in the world, is being investigated over the purchase of an offshore company in 2007. He did not declare an interest in the company when entering parliament in 2009.

A lot of questions have been asked: where does the money come from? Where is it going? Is this structure legal? So, what do you think, fellow NSGers? Should we do more to hold the world's political and financial elite accountable? What do you think should be done about corporate law firms such as Mossack Fonseca, which is well-known for helping those people circumvent the law? Comment below.

Also, it seems Argentine neoliberal messiah Mauricio Macri's family is also implicated in this scandal. Shocking! (but not for me).
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:47 pm

I doubt this will amount to much action, but then again I'm a disillusioned American, so idk.
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Postby Greater Germany » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:52 pm

This will prove as damning as the information leaked through WikiLeaks.
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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:52 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:I doubt this will amount to much action, but then again I'm a disillusioned American, so idk.


oh but that much is certain. i'm just here to watch the great minds of this forum debate this issue.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:54 pm

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:I doubt this will amount to much action, but then again I'm a disillusioned American, so idk.


oh but that much is certain. i'm just here to watch the great minds of this forum debate this issue.

You'd have to find them first.
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Postby Calimera II » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:55 pm

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Also, it seems Argentine neoliberal messiah Mauricio Macri's family is also implicated in this scandal. Shocking! (but not for me).


And the father of Cameron; and the president of Ukraine; and Saudi Arabian Kings; and several Icelandic ministers and the Icelandic Prime Minister; members of British parliament are also mentioned.

Being mentioned doesn't mean a crime was actually committed whatsoever.

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Postby Frank Zipper » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:55 pm

David Cameron's dad too.
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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:56 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Also, it seems Argentine neoliberal messiah Mauricio Macri's family is also implicated in this scandal. Shocking! (but not for me).


And the father of Cameron; and the president of Ukraine; and Saudi Arabian Kings; and several Icelandic ministers and the Icelandic Prime Minister; members of British parliament are also mentioned.

Being mentioned doesn't mean a crime was actually committed whatsoever.


i wonder why mossack fonseca would mention him out of the blue lol it's not like they have any interest in screwing him over.
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Postby Calimera II » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:57 pm

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
And the father of Cameron; and the president of Ukraine; and Saudi Arabian Kings; and several Icelandic ministers and the Icelandic Prime Minister; members of British parliament are also mentioned.

Being mentioned doesn't mean a crime was actually committed whatsoever.


i wonder why mossack fonseca would mention him out of the blue lol it's not like they have any interest in screwing him over.

So being mentioned means you committed a crime?

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Postby Frank Zipper » Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:01 pm

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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:02 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
i wonder why mossack fonseca would mention him out of the blue lol it's not like they have any interest in screwing him over.

So being mentioned means you committed a crime?


that's not what I said, my dear friend. i didn't even say macri himself was personally involved in this. what I said is that it would be weird for the law firm to mention him out of nowhere if he didn't have ties to them. still, macri actually presided over fleg trading which is managed by mossack fonseca. iirc, he denied owning shares in the company but admitted that his family does (which is what i said: "mauricio macri's family is implicated in the scandal). if it makes you feel better, the kirchner also are. and messi.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:17 pm

Multiple calls for snap elections have been made in Iceland over the revelations. Pirate party government soon?

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Postby District XIV » Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:30 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/ap ... ama-papers
How much data has been leaked?
A lot. The leak is one of the biggest ever – larger than the US diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks in 2010, and the secret intelligence documents given to journalists by Edward Snowden in 2013. There are 11.5m documents and 2.6 terabytes of information drawn from Mossack Fonseca’s internal database.

Damn.

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Postby Maroza » Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:35 pm

Maybe putting (bigger than wiki leaks) in the title will grab peoples attention?
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:04 pm

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
And the father of Cameron; and the president of Ukraine; and Saudi Arabian Kings; and several Icelandic ministers and the Icelandic Prime Minister; members of British parliament are also mentioned.

Being mentioned doesn't mean a crime was actually committed whatsoever.


i wonder why mossack fonseca would mention him out of the blue lol it's not like they have any interest in screwing him over.

I wonder why they'd mention David Cameon's dad and Icelandic politicians then lol. :roll:
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:06 pm

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Calimera II wrote:So being mentioned means you committed a crime?


that's not what I said, my dear friend. i didn't even say macri himself was personally involved in this. what I said is that it would be weird for the law firm to mention him out of nowhere if he didn't have ties to them. still, macri actually presided over fleg trading which is managed by mossack fonseca. iirc, he denied owning shares in the company but admitted that his family does (which is what i said: "mauricio macri's family is implicated in the scandal). if it makes you feel better, the kirchner also are. and messi.

If all kinds of people are implicated then why specifically only mention the people you don't like?
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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:08 pm

Geilinor wrote:I wonder why they'd mention David Cameon's dad and Icelandic politicians then lol. :roll:


isn't that what i'm saying? i'm lost

Geilinor wrote:If all kinds of people are implicated then why specifically only mention the people you don't like?


lol there's literally loads of people who i dislike who are implicated in this.
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Postby The East Marches » Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:50 pm

That is unsurprising. Who cares though? There are plenty of ez pz ways to "reduce" your tax bill. Loopholes aren't illegal. Its like calling yourself a contractor to write off more stuff on your business bill or labeling your car to write it off as "advertising expenses". Everybody takes deductions, breaks or loopholes of some sort. Hell, if I had enough money, I'd hire somebody to comb through and play games with the tax code too. Unfortunately I have to do it myself at the moment.

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Pro-tip: I support fixing the tax codes. A no loophole tax code with reduced overall rates would save us money in compliance costs and more revenue would be brought in as well.
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Postby Krumbia » Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:54 pm

If this brings down the Icelandic PM/government within the next couple of weeks, which it has the power to do (a no confidence vote will be tabled tomorrow), then this could have huge implications, especially as the Pirate Party are leading massively in the polls and have been since April 2015. If it doesn't bring them down, this will still increase the Pirates' support ahead of the scheduled election next year.

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Postby Geilinor » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:36 pm

The papers reveal that Putin has helped his friends and advisors become rich to the tune of $2 billion.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/panama-papers-money-hidden-offshore
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Postby Esternial » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:43 pm

Guess Putin's gonna have to buy some more polonium 210 tea bags.

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Postby Werftkrieg » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:54 pm

Esternial wrote:Guess Putin's gonna have to buy some more polonium 210 tea bags.

Pretty much.
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Postby Tule » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:08 pm

The biggest data leak in history was revealed today.

2.6 terabytes of data containing 11.5 million documents were leaked from the Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca, which specializes in offshore tax havens.

400 journalists from 80 countries have reviewed the documents for the past year and today they released their first batch of previously undisclosed assets secretly belonging to various officials around the world.

As of today the names of 140 prominent individuals have been released, including current country leaders such as the President of Argentina Macri, King Salman of Saudi Arabia, Prime Minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson of Iceland and President Poroshenko of Ukraine.

Numerous high ranking Russian officials have also been mentioned.

What are your thoughts on the issue NSG?

Personally it came as a shock to me that our Prime Minister here in Iceland has concealed millions of dollars in assets from tax authorities. Such extreme corruption at this level of government is completely unprecedented here. A motion of no confidence is expected to be brought up at tomorrows session of Parliament.
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Postby Herskerstad » Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:21 pm

Esternial wrote:Guess Putin's gonna have to buy some more polonium 210 tea bags.


Putin caught doing something corrupt?

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