What do you think modern Sweden?

[Finnstonia]

Social fascist state. My answer to the rape problem? Probably because the punishments for rape are pathetic over here. If we started hanging rapists we would see a rapid decrease. I can promise you that.

[Atlanticatia]

I believe Sweden's inflated rape statistics have been largely debunked.

Anyway, Sweden seems like a progressive, open-minded place that has done a great job of welcoming those fleeing horrible circumstances while also looking after the nation by building a comprehensive welfare state.

[Dakini]

I think this OP is terrible.

much agree-edness was had this day.

For once, this is probably something everyone in here can agree upon.

[Alvecia]

I believe Sweden's inflated rape statistics have been largely debunked.

Anyway, Sweden seems like a progressive, open-minded place that has done a great job of welcoming those fleeing horrible circumstances while also looking after the nation by building a comprehensive welfare state.

Actually they have not. Norway has the same criteria for rape as sweden yet it has far less percentage of rape than Sweden.
Just heard today that sweden wants to tax metal croduct per kilograms like Russians did in the 1950, this would meant that an Iphone will become expensive even for a third. The official stance of the swedish government is to protect the nature from pollution, but everybody is aware the real reasons behind this new law.

Care to source that?

[Alvecia]

Care to source that?

It in this youtube video of Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaYwwyQWUrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze0sK8f48x4

Where do those videos get their information from? What are their sources?

[Alvecia]

Where do those videos get their information from? What are their sources?

He told it in the videos.

Which I'm not going to watch on my phone, it'll probably crash. You're familiar enough with the video to use it as a source, are you not as confident as to the videos sources/

[The Alexanderians]

Aside from Sabaton, Abba, Ikea, and a few weapon systems I try not to.

[Mugrul]

Which I'm not going to watch on my phone, it'll probably crash. You're familiar enough with the video to use it as a source, are you not as confident as to the videos sources/

I am also on my phone. I got iz from this videos and Sargon is known for posting his sources and argumenting civicly. Or just ask me later when I come to my PC to send you sources.

Say are you from Serbia?

[Mugrul]

Say are you from Serbia?

Why is this relevant?

You remind me of someone. But maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.

[King Lorcan]

Modern Sweden has done alright for itself. For a small country, it has provided much of cultural value to the world, from Paradox Interactive, to ABBA, to Sabaton, IKEA and much more.
However when it comes to the immigration question, Sweden, while admirable in trying to help people, hasn't actually worked. When you let a large group of people from similar backgrounds and beliefs into a country, what will they do by en-large; will they integrate with the people already there or will they do what they find most comfortable and just hang around people of similar backgrounds and beliefs in a foreign country?
What is clear, is that they have mostly taken the easy route and hung around people of similar backgrounds and beliefs and formed enclaves. As they are usually unskilled immigrants, they are also usually in the lower socio-economic groups and combining that with enclaves, we get criminals from immigrant groups and then we get stereotyping and racism by some of the native population (Not good result for anyone). So large-scale immigration with no program to help these immigrants to integrate into their new home does not work.

[The Alexanderians]

Modern Sweden has done alright for itself. For a small country, it has provided much of cultural value to the world, from Paradox Interactive, to ABBA, to Sabaton, IKEA and much more.
However when it comes to the immigration question, Sweden, while admirable in trying to help people, hasn't actually worked. When you let a large group of people from similar backgrounds and beliefs into a country, what will they do by en-large; will they integrate with the people already there or will they do what they find most comfortable and just hang around people of similar backgrounds and beliefs in a foreign country?
What is clear, is that they have mostly taken the easy route and hung around people of similar backgrounds and beliefs and formed enclaves. As they are usually unskilled immigrants, they are also usually in the lower socio-economic groups and combining that with enclaves, we get criminals from immigrant groups and then we get stereotyping and racism by some of the native population (Not good result for anyone). So large-scale immigration with no program to help these immigrants to integrate into their new home does not work.

You say Paradox interactive...but then again they also gave us DICE...

[Polsku]

A disgrace to christian Europe.

[Alterrum]

A paragraph from Wikipedia:

A frequently cited source when comparing Swedish rape statistics internationally is the regularly published report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), based on official statistics provided by each member state. In 2012, Sweden had 66 cases of reported rapes per 100,000 population, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå). This was unequivocally the biggest number reported to the UNODC in 2012. However, widely differing legal systems, offence definitions, terminological variations, recording practices and statistical conventions makes any cross-national comparison on rape statistics difficult, which is why the UNODC itself caution against using their figures. It should also be noted that many countries do not report any rape statistics at all to the UNODC, and some report very low numbers, despite studies that indicate otherwise.

The take-away: comparing the real rape rates of countries takes a lot more research than simply looking at figures reported by national agencies.

[King Lorcan]

A disgrace to christian Europe.

Last I checked, we were a bit past the enlightenment. Past the industrial revolution. Past the Cold War. Here we go, the Post-Cold War era! Now let's check, is Europe institutionally Christian? Last I checked, nope.

[Imperial City-States]

I am in the opinion that they've been digging their own grave since the 60's.

[Radiatia]

It's like someone took my nightmares and turned it into a country... alternatively, if Tumblr was a country, Sweden is what it would be.

[Alvecia]

Which I'm not going to watch on my phone, it'll probably crash. You're familiar enough with the video to use it as a source, are you not as confident as to the videos sources/

I am also on my phone. I got iz from this videos and Sargon is known for posting his sources and argumenting civicly. Or just ask me later when I come to my PC to send you sources.

I checked his sources, handily linked under his video.
While he goes a way to point out that the definition of rape is not all too different in Norway and Sweden, he does nothing to address this point:

Unlike the majority of countries in Europe, crime data in Sweden are collected when the offence in question is first reported, at which point the classification may be unclear. In Sweden, once an act has been registered as rape, it retains this classification in the published crime statistics, even if later investigations indicate that no crime can be proven or if the offence must be given an alternative judicial classification.

So while Norway and Sweden have similar definitions of rape, their reporting of the crime is much different, so far as I can tell.

[Zoice]

It's great. Rape is terrible but the statistics don't suggest that it is actually the "rape capital of the world". The vast vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported, that's the case everywhere. The thing about Sweden is that rapes there are not as underreported as they are elsewhere, and they count them differently: a kidnapper that rapes his victim every day for a month counts as 30 rapes in their system, but that is not the case everywhere else.

It's like comparing apples to oranges, or infant death statistics (what some countries would call stillbirth, others would call infant death, and some might call miscarriage. This is part of why the US appears to falsely have super high infant morality compared to other developed nations). You can't take it at face value, the numbers are correct but they are not comparing the same thing.

[Gravlen]

I believe Sweden's inflated rape statistics have been largely debunked.

Anyway, Sweden seems like a progressive, open-minded place that has done a great job of welcoming those fleeing horrible circumstances while also looking after the nation by building a comprehensive welfare state.

Actually they have not. Norway has the same criteria for rape as sweden yet it has far less percentage of rape than Sweden.

This is not true, in particular in the context of the discussion of comparing rape rates. The current Norwegian definition of rape (found in art. 291 of the Norwegian penal code) and describes, in short, situations wherein someone engages in sexual activity by means of threats or violence, or with someone who is unconscious or incapable of resisting the act, or by use of threats or violence compells someone to have sexual activity with a third person. It is basically the same as the old definition (found here)

The Swedish definition of rape is wider (found in chapter six of the Swedish penal code), as it states that it is rape if someone is "improperly exploiting that the person, due to unconsciousness, sleep, serious fear, intoxication or other drug influence, illness, physical injury or mental disturbance, or otherwise in view of the circumstances, is in a particularly vulnerable situation." Being in a particularly vulnerable situation goes further than a person being incapable of resisting.

Now, that may not be a major difference, but it is nonetheless a difference. More important, however, is chapter 6 art. 4 of the Swedish penal code, which states that a person who has sexual intercourse with a child under fifteen years of age or carries out another sexual act on that, in view of the seriousness of the violation, is comparable to sexual intercourse, shall be convicted of rape of a child. This is a major difference from the Norwegian penal code as it was before october 2015, when the new penal code was implemented. The old Norwegian penal code did not count sexual activity with a child as rape (statutory or otherwise), and any statistics older than october 2015 are thusly not comparable since the Swedes include sexual activity with children in their statistics on rape. (According to BRÅ, linked to above, over 15 % of the reported rapes in 2014 were rape of children aged 0 - 17 years old). (Even after the new Norwegian penal code was implemented there's a slight difference, as it's only rape by Norwegian law if the sexual activity is with a child under fourteen years of age. Also, the lines between rape and sexual molestation are not necessarily the same.)

That's the bit about law. Then there's the bit about reporting. Because that's still an important difference, even after the new Norwegian penal code. You see, Sweden counts each transgression seperately. If a man rapes a woman three times the same day, or he kept her prisoner and raped her once a day over three days, it would in each case be counted as three rapes. In Norway, both of those cases would be counted as one reported crime each. The difference in counting makes a significant difference to the statistics.

[The Blaatschapen]

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Lack of reaction by OP. I lock