Falkland Islands' Sovereignty Threatened?

[Archegnum]

http://www.falklands.gov.fk/self-govern ... argentina/

[The Wolven League]

This again?

Go ahead, Argentina, annex a group of islands that had almost 100% of people in them say they don't want to be a part of your nation. It'll go so well!

Seriously, almost no one in the Falklands wants to be Argentinan. They should really stop pressing this issue. Hope nothing comes of this water issue.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

When everyone is burning in hell from nuclear warfare there wont be any more claims on the falklands.

Problem solved.

[Risottia]

Nope.

Humans belong to the clade Exafroplacentalia, so no Africa for humans. GIB GONDWANACLAY BACK TO AFROTHERIABALL!

I thought the clade was Synapsida.

Your claim is of course inconsequential because it doesn't support what I'm saying. Hence you're a British imperialist pigdog or something like that.

Hey, don't go mad at me! This whole thread is based on such premises.

Fish don't lie.

Fish only lie!

The fish is a lie!

[The Lone Alliance]

More whining Argentinans?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

More whining Argentinans?

Seriously though it didn't work back then it won't today.

There was an interesting documentary of the families of those who died in the Belgrano sinking though.

[Imperializt Russia]

More whining Argentinans?

Seriously though it didn't work back then it won't today.

There was an interesting documentary of the families of those who died in the Belgrano sinking though.

Interesting how so?

[Valaran]

When everyone is burning in hell from nuclear warfare there wont be any more claims on the falklands.

Problem solved.

At that point, the Falklanders will be one of the few groups who actually survive, before becoming an expansionist Empire (in competition with the Cape Verde Dominion) and using an old, forgotten claim to the UK as a pretext to invade the irradiated wastes of Europe.

[Rio Cana]

Two years. Two-fucking years. Are we going to lay-out claims that France legally holds sovereignty over Mexico for their intervention and the establishment of the short-lived 4-year long Second Mexican Empire?

I would be fine with France holding sovereignty over Mexico over that.

You do know the French (Second French Empire ruled by Emperor Napoleon III) were beaten back and pulled out of Mexico in 1867. Thirteen years later, in 1880, Mexico and France re-established diplomatic ties. Six years later on November 27, 1886 both nations signed a Friendship, commerce and navigation treaty which included most favored nation clause for both. The second French Empire had fallen by September 1870. After that, the Third French Republic came into power.

[Rio Cana]

Concerning Argentina's 35% increase in territorial waters. Falkland fishermen will need to watch out for the Argentine coast guard. Not so long ago, they sank a Chinese fishing boat that was fishing illegally in there waters. And China is an ally. So just image what they will do to any illegal Falkland fishing boat. That is if they try to get away and be all provocative like the Chinese fishing boat was reported to have done.

[Vassenor]

Concerning Argentina's 35% increase in territorial waters, Falkland fishermen will need to watch out for the Argentine coast guard. Not so long ago, they sank a Chinese fishing boat that was fishing illegally in there waters. And China is an ally. So just image what they will do to any illegal Falkland fishing boat. That is if they try to get away and be all provocative like the Chinese fishing boat was reportedly was reported to have done.

Do I hear the words Causus Belli there?

[Valaran]

Concerning Argentina's 35% increase in territorial waters. Falkland fishermen will need to watch out for the Argentine coast guard. Not so long ago, they sank a Chinese fishing boat that was fishing illegally in there waters. And China is an ally. So just image what they will do to any illegal Falkland fishing boat. That is if they try to get away and be all provocative like the Chinese fishing boat was reported to have done.

Argentine Coastguard, meet Type 45 Destroyer (we always have one travelling to or from the Falklands).

But seriously, I hope there are no incidents. I like Macri, and I don't want him to be distracted from his economic reforms, and for that matter, I just don't want any tensions with Argentina. Its senseless to scuffle over this.

[Imperializt Russia]

Concerning Argentina's 35% increase in territorial waters. Falkland fishermen will need to watch out for the Argentine coast guard. Not so long ago, they sank a Chinese fishing boat that was fishing illegally in there waters. And China is an ally. So just image what they will do to any illegal Falkland fishing boat. That is if they try to get away and be all provocative like the Chinese fishing boat was reported to have done.

What concerns me about the increase in territorial waters, is that the graphic the Beeb had showed a flat increase in waters along the coast to the north...
Until it got to the south and level with the Falklands when the claims shot out an extra 200 miles to encircle the Falklands.
For no immediately discernible reason. Except the obvious.

[Sanctissima]

Concerning Argentina's 35% increase in territorial waters. Falkland fishermen will need to watch out for the Argentine coast guard. Not so long ago, they sank a Chinese fishing boat that was fishing illegally in there waters. And China is an ally. So just image what they will do to any illegal Falkland fishing boat. That is if they try to get away and be all provocative like the Chinese fishing boat was reported to have done.

Argentine Coastguard, meet Type 45 Destroyer (we always have one travelling to or from the Falklands).

But seriously, I hope there are no incidents. I like Macri, and I don't want him to be distracted from his economic reforms, and for that matter, I just don't want any tensions with Argentina. Its senseless to scuffle over this.

To be frank, Argentina's never going to give up on its desire to eventually take the Falklands. It's always going to be a pet peeve of the Argentines, no matter how normalized relations between Argentina and the UK are. It may be senseless, but I doubt the issue will ever come to a rest.

[Valaran]

Argentine Coastguard, meet Type 45 Destroyer (we always have one travelling to or from the Falklands).

But seriously, I hope there are no incidents. I like Macri, and I don't want him to be distracted from his economic reforms, and for that matter, I just don't want any tensions with Argentina. Its senseless to scuffle over this.

To be frank, Argentina's never going to give up on its desire to eventually take the Falklands. It's always going to be a pet peeve of the Argentines, no matter how normalized relations between Argentina and the UK are. It may be senseless, but I doubt the issue will ever come to a rest.

This may well be true - my post was more that there doesn't need to be needless provocation (like blowing up/impounding fishing boats) over this disagreement.

[Sanctissima]

To be frank, Argentina's never going to give up on its desire to eventually take the Falklands. It's always going to be a pet peeve of the Argentines, no matter how normalized relations between Argentina and the UK are. It may be senseless, but I doubt the issue will ever come to a rest.

This may well be true - my post was more that there doesn't need to be needless provocation (like blowing up/impounding fishing boats) over this disagreement.

True, but then again I doubt Argentina's government, nor the bulk of its people, see it that way. The Falklands are a major sore spot in the history of the country, and this is basically their way of passive-aggressively maintaining their claim over the islands.

[Viking Confederacy]

More whining Argentinans?

"Don't whine for me, Argentina"...

[Maroza]

Argentine Coastguard, meet Type 45 Destroyer (we always have one travelling to or from the Falklands).

But seriously, I hope there are no incidents. I like Macri, and I don't want him to be distracted from his economic reforms, and for that matter, I just don't want any tensions with Argentina. Its senseless to scuffle over this.

To be frank, Argentina's never going to give up on its desire to eventually take the Falklands. It's always going to be a pet peeve of the Argentines, no matter how normalized relations between Argentina and the UK are. It may be senseless, but I doubt the issue will ever come to a rest.

Lets say the Argentinians take control of the islands some time in the furutre and the U.K. is OK with it. I've always wondered, how would Argentinian react to an insurgency? What if it's supported by all the locals?

[Calimera II]

Honestly...I really don't understand why Argentina cares so much about the Falklands. They're literally a couple of rocks out in the middle of the ocean, and Britain has made it rather clear that they don't intend to let them go.

It's a tool for diverting attention from domestic issues, like how North Korea likes to launch a few missiles into the sea each time it wants to show how tough the leader is.

Explain me how the latest action of Argentina (and the UN) is a tool for diverting attention from domestic issues; and why you think so. You keep saying you are sure about this, so I don't think you do mind to explain your stance.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Seriously, almost no one in the Falklands wants to be Argentinan.

Argentina and anyone who supports their claim don't seem to care about what the people of the Falklands want, all they care about is for the UK to "gib clay".

[Mahdistan]

Good. Islas Malvinas was legally owned and administered by the Argentine government, until the population was forcefully ejected, and the British flooded the island with loyalists. It is a longstanding symbol of British imperialism, and should be taken down and given back to the Argentinians.

[Krumbia]

Good. Islas Malvinas was legally owned and administered by the Argentine government, until the population was forcefully ejected, and the British flooded the island with loyalists. It is a longstanding symbol of British imperialism, and should be taken down and given back to the Argentinians.

Wow, you sound like an objective person with strong regard for international law.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Good. Islas Malvinas was legally owned and administered by the Argentine government, until the population was forcefully ejected, and the British flooded the island with loyalists. It is a longstanding symbol of British imperialism, and should be taken down and given back to the Argentinians.

It was never Argentina's in the first place.

[Calimera II]

Seriously, almost no one in the Falklands wants to be Argentinan.

Argentina and anyone who supports their claim don't seem to care about what the people of the Falklands want, all they care about is for the UK to "gib clay".

If Great Britain really cared about self-determination it would not have depopulated Chagos. The funny thing is that Great Britain won a lawsuit against the native people of Chagos which contradict it's ''pro self-determination'' position when it comes to the Malvinas Islands. The ruling has been in favour of the British and against the right of self-determination of the Chagossians. Double standards. The fact that the dispute has not been resolved in the Southern Atlantic has more and more to do with the fact that the disputed area is a resource-rich zone.

[Calimera II]

Good. Islas Malvinas was legally owned and administered by the Argentine government, until the population was forcefully ejected, and the British flooded the island with loyalists. It is a longstanding symbol of British imperialism, and should be taken down and given back to the Argentinians.

Wow, you sound like an objective person with strong regard for international law.

If you have strong regard for international law you would notice that self-determination does not apply to the British citizens on the Malvinas. It has been covered on the first pages of this thread. (1st and 2nd if I remember well....)