Falkland Islands' Sovereignty Threatened?

[Camelza]

And what is justifiable?

Putting them Falklands on an equal relationship with the UK.

They have a well-functioning, autonomous, liberal democratic government of their own and from what I gather they're quite glad with it. They're also protected by the ECHR and various European organisations. ...Actually, the only government Falklanders have a problem with is Argentina's.

As for "settlers", the current islanders are the closest thing the islands have ever had to a native population.

Doesn't change the fact they're British settlers.

By that logic you're a Spanish settler, living in stolen indigenous lands nonetheless. What an outdated logic.

[Old Stephania]

But replacing them with Argentine settlers is so much more acceptable.

lol nigga you have serious text interpretation issues.

You have such a bright future on this forum.

[The Enclave Government]

This still an issue?

UK can veto any action to enforce the resolution and the Falklands have voted - democratically - to stay in their current position multiple times. I see no reason why Argentina can't respect their sovereignty much the same way Spain has in regard to Gibraltar. UK beats Argentina in war & in UN diplomacy, the point's moot. Especially with a Conservative PM, Labor under Corbyn would probably airdrop money earmarked for the Argentinian military.

[Risottia]

What is it with Argentina and Islands ?

Misguided nationalist rhetoric. Fishery and possibly offshore oilfields.

Nationalist rhetoric is just a tool. The main point is money, as usual.

[Mefpan]

So basically, their opinions don't matter because they just haven't lived there long enough for your liking?

lol I did not say that

If you were born somewhere and grew up there too, would you look kindly upon people telling you that you do not belong there? Even if your parents, too, were born there?

No.

Fuck, if we're semanticspissing like this then most of Eurasia, hell, the entirety of the fucking world sans a few lakes in fucking Africa has a population consisting of foreign settlers. How many generations does a population have to live on a piece of land in order to be considered legitimate inhabitants? Why that exact number of generations?

A settler is someone who colonizes an area in detriment of the native population (I know the Falklands were uninhabited), usually backed by a foreign government. European colonialism appeared c. the 15th century so we can use that as a marker.

Oh, so any population changes past 1500 are illegitimate?

Guten Tag Polen. Hast du mich vermisst?

Discounting the fact that according to your own definition ("in detriment of the native population"), they're not settlers.

[Ifreann]

Probably.

But do the Islanders need liberation if they don't feel oppressed? They seem rather content with, and rather afraid of, British and Argentine rule respectively.

Everyone needs to be liberated from the evil west.

[The Enclave Government]

lol I did not say that



No.



A settler is someone who colonizes an area in detriment of the native population (I know the Falklands were uninhabited), usually backed by a foreign government. European colonialism appeared c. the 15th century so we can use that as a marker.

Oh, so any population changes past 1500 are illegitimate?

Guten Tag Polen. Hast du mich vermisst?

Discounting the fact that according to your own definition ("in detriment of the native population"), they're not settlers.

Under his determination, Germany should really be suing for old Prussia and Alsace Lorraine... and Kalinigrad.
Actually, the Soviets did just throw out or kill everyone with blonde hair & blue eyes east of the Oder..... so probably some war reparations too. Put the Kremlin Deathwall on trial for war crimes!

[Imperializt Russia]

Wait. So you actually just casually copied a piece of text that forms part of ''IX. Future status of the Territory A. Position of the administering Power''
You literally copied the British argument. That is not the UN's official stance. I already explained why Britain's stance on self-determination is wrong.

So can you actually post where the UN says the claim is invalid?

Spoiler alert - they don't.

[The Enclave Government]

But do the Islanders need liberation if they don't feel oppressed? They seem rather content with, and rather afraid of, British and Argentine rule respectively.

Everyone needs to be liberated from the evil west.

nevermind the fact they've repeatedly voted to stay in the UK

/s

[Risottia]

But do the Islanders need liberation if they don't feel oppressed? They seem rather content with, and rather afraid of, British and Argentine rule respectively.

Everyone needs to be liberated from the evil west.

Considering how Argentina is more westerly than the Falklands, I assume this means the Falklands need to be liberated from Argentina.

[Lady Scylla]

Misguided nationalist rhetoric. Fishery and possibly offshore oilfields.

Nationalist rhetoric is just a tool. The main point is money, as usual.

I can understand oil, but you'd have to be pretty fucking desperate to waste lives on some fish.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

...

Congratulations, you can copy paste shit from Wikipedia (didn't even read tho)

They have a well-functioning, autonomous, liberal democratic government of their own and from what I gather they're quite glad with it.

That's kind of not my point.

By that logic you're a Spanish settler, living in stolen indigenous lands nonetheless. What an outdated logic.

lol you don't even know me

Oh, so any population changes past 1500 are illegitimate?

When they take the form of colonialism, kind of.

Discounting the fact that according to your own definition ("in detriment of the native population"), they're not settlers.

lol no

[Ifreann]

Everyone needs to be liberated from the evil west.

nevermind the fact they've repeatedly voted to stay in the UK

/s

Those are just settlers. We must liberate the penguins from the cursed British oppressors.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

Everyone needs to be liberated from the evil west.

Spoken like a true privileged Western kid

[Lady Scylla]

...

Congratulations, you can copy paste shit from Wikipedia (didn't even read tho)

They have a well-functioning, autonomous, liberal democratic government of their own and from what I gather they're quite glad with it.

That's kind of not my point.

By that logic you're a Spanish settler, living in stolen indigenous lands nonetheless. What an outdated logic.

lol you don't even know me

Oh, so any population changes past 1500 are illegitimate?

When they take the form of colonialism, kind of.

Discounting the fact that according to your own definition ("in detriment of the native population"), they're not settlers.

lol no

Well, least your intentions have been made evident. Behaviour aside, you're a waste of time. Back to my whisky and hot cocoa.

[Imperializt Russia]

Nationalist rhetoric is just a tool. The main point is money, as usual.

I can understand oil, but you'd have to be pretty fucking desperate to waste lives on some fish.

It's a resource like any other and part of the Falklands' transformation into a functioning economy is partly due to those fishing grounds.

[The Enclave Government]

Oh, so any population changes past 1500 are illegitimate?

When they take the form of colonialism, kind of.

meaning;

remove russians from siberia
remove americans from USA
remove canadians from western canada
remove mexicans from mexico
remove everyone with a latin accent from south america
remove everyone but the aboriginals in austrailia

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL

remove the humans from sealand

[Mefpan]

Oh, so any population changes past 1500 are illegitimate?

When they take the form of colonialism, kind of.

Decolonize Argentina.

Discounting the fact that according to your own definition ("in detriment of the native population"), they're not settlers.

lol no

Yes. There were no native humans to suffer under British yoke. And I reckon the penguins are doing rather well on the Falklands, so they're clearly not suffering under detrimental effects.

[Lady Scylla]

When they take the form of colonialism, kind of.

Decolonize Argentina.

lol no

Yes. There were no native humans to suffer under British yoke. And I reckon the penguins are doing rather well on the Falklands, so they're clearly not suffering under detrimental effects.

Don't humour it.

[The Enclave Government]

nevermind the fact they've repeatedly voted to stay in the UK

/s

Those are just settlers. We must liberate the penguins from the cursed British oppressors.

no, we must remove the penguins too because they have been corrupted by british DEMOCRACY

only the rocks are pure

Everyone needs to be liberated from the evil west.

Spoken like a true privileged Western kid

someone doesn't understand satire

[Lady Scylla]

I can understand oil, but you'd have to be pretty fucking desperate to waste lives on some fish.

It's a resource like any other and part of the Falklands' transformation into a functioning economy is partly due to those fishing grounds.

Is a fishing industry of a small group of islands really worth a war though? How much fish can they possibly yield for that to off-set the costs of a conflict?

[Mefpan]

Decolonize Argentina.


Yes. There were no native humans to suffer under British yoke. And I reckon the penguins are doing rather well on the Falklands, so they're clearly not suffering under detrimental effects.

Don't humour it.

No. Falkland Islands threads are how I regulate my blood pressure so that they stay at normal levels. This is good for me.

[The Enclave Government]

Decolonize Argentina.


Yes. There were no native humans to suffer under British yoke. And I reckon the penguins are doing rather well on the Falklands, so they're clearly not suffering under detrimental effects.

Don't humour it.

there's two options to deal with him, satire or logical arguments. logical arguments are pretty much pointless against nationalism, satire is amusing

[Camelza]

But do the Islanders need liberation if they don't feel oppressed? They seem rather content with, and rather afraid of, British and Argentine rule respectively.

Everyone needs to be liberated from the evil west.

And we all now what lies west of the Falklands.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's a resource like any other and part of the Falklands' transformation into a functioning economy is partly due to those fishing grounds.

Is a fishing industry of a small group of islands really worth a war though? How much fish can they possibly yield for that to off-set the costs of a conflict?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars