Falkland Islands' Sovereignty Threatened?

[Alvecia]

PIRATES GO HOME

That picture would be more appropriate if the Falklands also had a hand reaching out for Britain's.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Argentina wish to take over a territory against the wishes of the entirety of its inhabitants. That's the pinnacle of colonialism.

Colonialism is the establishment of a colony in one territory by a political power from another territory, and the subsequent maintenance, expansion, and exploitation of that colony. The term is also used to describe a set of unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous peoples.

Argentina doesn't wish to treat the Falklands as a colony. In fact, they've repeatedly Falklanders would have the same rights as any Argentine citizen and would be allowed to maintain their culture.

On the other hand, the Falklanders only acquired British citizenship after the war and currently, the Falklands are a BOT which means they're not part of the UK yet are still under their jurisdiction. It's the UK who treats the Falklands as a colony, not Argentina.

I don't think many of them feel the same way after Argentinians talk about them as if they somehow are a plague upon the land.

[Vassenor]

Argentina wish to take over a territory against the wishes of the entirety of its inhabitants. That's the pinnacle of colonialism.

Colonialism is the establishment of a colony in one territory by a political power from another territory, and the subsequent maintenance, expansion, and exploitation of that colony. The term is also used to describe a set of unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous peoples.

So just like what Argentina has been since its creation then.

[Myrensis]

So just like what Argentina has been since its creation then.

That is one of the more amusing aspects of the Argentine 'claim'.

"British Imperialist pigs! The Malvinas are ours because we inherited them from our Spanish Imperialist pig ancestors who double plus no take back claimed them while you weren't looking!"

[Cymrea]

Argentina doesn't wish to treat the Falklands as a colony. In fact, they've repeatedly Falklanders would have the same rights as any Argentine citizen and would be allowed to maintain their culture.

On the other hand, the Falklanders only acquired British citizenship after the war and currently, the Falklands are a BOT which means they're not part of the UK yet are still under their jurisdiction. It's the UK who treats the Falklands as a colony, not Argentina.

Argentina's repeated arguments include the Falklands being the product of colonialism, while blithely ignoring the fact that Argentina's existence is the result of colonialism. The same rights as any Argentine citizen doesn't appear to include a political voice, as Argentina has refused to acknowledge or hear the will of those living on the Falklands. The Falklands Islanders have no reason to believe they would not be treated with anything more than the same utter disdain they have heretofore received.

[Ifreann]

PIRATES GO HOME

Post once, immediately go offline. Nothing suspicious about that.

[SD_Film Artists]

Argentina wish to take over a territory against the wishes of the entirety of its inhabitants. That's the pinnacle of colonialism.

Colonialism is the establishment of a colony in one territory by a political power from another territory, and the subsequent maintenance, expansion, and exploitation of that colony. The term is also used to describe a set of unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous peoples.

Argentina doesn't wish to treat the Falklands as a colony. In fact, they've repeatedly Falklanders would have the same rights as any Argentine citizen and would be allowed to maintain their culture.

Argentina has refused invitations to talk with the islanders, and Argentina wants to take the land for no better reason than that it's close to them. How is this not colonialism?

On the other hand, the Falklanders only acquired British citizenship after the war and currently, the Falklands are a BOT which means they're not part of the UK yet are still under their jurisdiction. It's the UK who treats the Falklands as a colony, not Argentina.

Other than the admittedly fair accusation that the British government were being complacent, I don't see what that the citizenship thing as to do with the issue at all. You've yet to explain why being a BOT is a bad thing. If anything you could say it's a good thing as they're semi-independent.

[Ifreann]

PIRATES GO HOME

That picture would be more appropriate if the Falklands also had a hand reaching out for Britain's.

Save us, Jack Sparrow!

[Mefpan]

That picture would be more appropriate if the Falklands also had a hand reaching out for Britain's.

Save us, Jack Sparrow!

Britain: "I've got a pile of dirt! I've got a pile of dirt! I've got a pile of dirt! And guess what we call it!"
Audience: "The Falklands!"
Argentina: >:(

[Imperial isa]

What is it with Argentina and Islands ?

[Dooom35796821595]

Save us, Jack Sparrow!

Britain: "I've got a pile of dirt! I've got a pile of dirt! I've got a pile of dirt! And guess what we call it!"
Audience: "The Falklands!"
Argentina: >:(

I would love it if the British Ambassador to the UN said that.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

Argentina has refused invitations to talk with the islanders, and Argentina wants to take the land for no better reason than that it's close to them. How is this not colonialism?

That's definitely not it. They have a claim that goes back to the 19th century.

Other than the admittedly fair accusation that the British government were being complacent, I don't see what that the citizenship thing as to do with the issue at all. You've yet to explain why being a BOT is a bad thing. If anything you could say it's a good thing as they're semi-independent.

The relationship between the UK and the Falklands is inherently unequal in favor of the metropolis. That's colonialism and it's a bad thing.

[Paredonia]

Argentina has refused invitations to talk with the islanders, and Argentina wants to take the land for no better reason than that it's close to them. How is this not colonialism?

That's definitely not it. They have a claim that goes back to the 19th century.

Other than the admittedly fair accusation that the British government were being complacent, I don't see what that the citizenship thing as to do with the issue at all. You've yet to explain why being a BOT is a bad thing. If anything you could say it's a good thing as they're semi-independent.

The relationship between the UK and the Falklands is inherently unequal in favor of the metropolis. That's colonialism and it's a bad thing.

And Britain has a claim going back to the late 17th/early 18th century. That's quite a while before Argentina's time.

[Vassenor]

Argentina has refused invitations to talk with the islanders, and Argentina wants to take the land for no better reason than that it's close to them. How is this not colonialism?

That's definitely not it. They have a claim that goes back to the 19th century.

Other than the admittedly fair accusation that the British government were being complacent, I don't see what that the citizenship thing as to do with the issue at all. You've yet to explain why being a BOT is a bad thing. If anything you could say it's a good thing as they're semi-independent.

The relationship between the UK and the Falklands is inherently unequal in favor of the metropolis. That's colonialism and it's a bad thing.

Reminder that colonialism is why Argentina exists in the first place.

[Intaglio]

This old issue? I'm not to pretend I know a lot about the UK vs. Argentina over the Falklands thing, but it seems to me if the Falklanders wish to remain British and the British have held de facto control over the island for years, then that should just continue. People make too big a deal about old claims to land.

[Mefpan]

Argentina has refused invitations to talk with the islanders, and Argentina wants to take the land for no better reason than that it's close to them. How is this not colonialism?

That's definitely not it. They have a claim that goes back to the 19th century.

Other than the admittedly fair accusation that the British government were being complacent, I don't see what that the citizenship thing as to do with the issue at all. You've yet to explain why being a BOT is a bad thing. If anything you could say it's a good thing as they're semi-independent.

The relationship between the UK and the Falklands is inherently unequal in favor of the metropolis. That's colonialism and it's a bad thing.

Yeah, well, I don't see a reason to arbitrarily change it against the wishes of the current population that's lived there for several generations now. Counterproposal: The Falklands can decide on whether or not to become more deeply integrated into the UK's political structure.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

Reminder that colonialism is why Argentina exists in the first place.

lol how is that even relevant? That is literally the most stupid argument someone can make in this thread (well, one of them).

[SD_Film Artists]

Argentina has refused invitations to talk with the islanders, and Argentina wants to take the land for no better reason than that it's close to them. How is this not colonialism?

That's definitely not it. They have a claim that goes back to the 19th century.

And Britain has a claim going back to the 18th century. So...

Other than the admittedly fair accusation that the British government were being complacent, I don't see what that the citizenship thing as to do with the issue at all. You've yet to explain why being a BOT is a bad thing. If anything you could say it's a good thing as they're semi-independent.

The relationship between the UK and the Falklands is inherently unequal in favor of the metropolis. That's colonialism and it's a bad thing.

You mean London? Everywhere in the UK has an unequal relationship with Emperor Boris' City-State of London. At least the Falklands get their own semi-independent government; which is alot more autonomy than they can ever expect from Argentina. And I doubt that the Falklands could pay for Hope Faith And Charity alone.

[Vassenor]

Reminder that colonialism is why Argentina exists in the first place.

lol how is that even relevant?

Because it's an example of Argentina's hypocrisy over the whole thing.

"COLONIALISM IS BAD UNLESS WE'RE THE ONES DOING THE COLONISING!"

[Herargon]

That's definitely not it. They have a claim that goes back to the 19th century.



The relationship between the UK and the Falklands is inherently unequal in favor of the metropolis. That's colonialism and it's a bad thing.

Reminder that colonialism is why Argentina exists in the first place.

As well the entire of the New World in its current form, as well Australia and Oceania as we know it, and most of Africa.

Hell, European countries together colonised roughly 3/4th of the entire globe. That's not to be underestimated.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

You mean London? Everywhere in the UK has an unequal relationship with Emperor Boris' City-State of London.

"Well, that's how things are..." is a shitty argument.

At least the Falklands get their own semi-independent government; which is alot more autonomy than they can ever expect from Argentina.

Not likely, considering the autonomy Argentina gives its provinces.

[Novus America]

That's definitely not it. They have a claim that goes back to the 19th century.



The relationship between the UK and the Falklands is inherently unequal in favor of the metropolis. That's colonialism and it's a bad thing.

And Britain has a claim going back to the late 17th/early 18th century. That's quite a while before Argentina's time.

Besides what matters is what people want now. "Some predecessor briefly occupied something there for I own it" is garbage. The US has as valid a claim on Cuba and the Bahamas. Even if you occupied something a long time it matters little. Rome no longer controls Spain. Germany no longer controls Danzig. Borders change. Get over it.

And British people still have a right to self determination outside the British Isles. Just as Hispanic people have a right outside Hispania.

[Mefpan]

You mean London? Everywhere in the UK has an unequal relationship with Emperor Boris' City-State of London.

"Well, that's how things are..." is a shitty argument.

At least the Falklands get their own semi-independent government; which is alot more autonomy than they can ever expect from Argentina.

Not likely, considering the autonomy Argentina gives its provinces.

Again, if the concern is the rights of the islanders being too few under British rule, would a reformation of the current administrative status of the Falkland Islands under British flag be an acceptable alternative? My most seems to have gone unnoticed.

[Herargon]

You mean London? Everywhere in the UK has an unequal relationship with Emperor Boris' City-State of London.

"Well, that's how things are..." is a shitty argument.

At least the Falklands get their own semi-independent government; which is alot more autonomy than they can ever expect from Argentina.

Not likely, considering the autonomy Argentina gives its provinces.

Yes, but then the British people in the Falklands likely will be ruled by Argentinia, and not by Britain.
I don't think they would like such a thing to happen.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

lol how is that even relevant?

Because it's an example of Argentina's hypocrisy over the whole thing.

"COLONIALISM IS BAD UNLESS WE'RE THE ONES DOING THE COLONISING!"

For God's sake, nigga, you don't seem to have a basic grasp on what colonialism actually is. Furthermore, you're implying that because Argentina was exploited by a colonial power they have no right to point out other countries' colonialist attitudes. If we go by that logic, then piratically the whole of Africa and a few states in Asia as well should shut up about colonialism because they're post-colonial states and I can't stress how stupid that is. Just stop, man.