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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:06 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:Yay! Go Argentina!

Yay! Screw self-determination!
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?

Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.

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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:06 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:Nearly every country in the world is illegal if we apply this thinking.


Indeed. Clearly the world should be divided into three, Asia becomes the Chinese federation, Europe becomes the European Union and the Americas become the Brittanian Empire. Futher territorial gains shall be decided by mecha combat. :)


Calm down there 1984.

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Postby Old Stephania » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
Old Stephania wrote:I would be screwed in this situation. My ancestors conquered England, but I can't go back to France because Normandy was conquered by Rollo. We don't even know if Rollo was a Norwegian or a Dane. :blink:

The only solution is for humanity to leave Earth and live in space. Only then will all lands be as they were before they were conquered.

But then we would be oppressing space!!

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:06 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Free Rational City of Rapture wrote:Nearly every country in the world is illegal if we apply this thinking.


Indeed. Clearly the world should be divided into three, Asia becomes the Chinese federation, Europe becomes the European Union and the Americas become the Brittanian Empire. Futher territorial gains shall be decided by mecha combat. :)


Can it at least not be 50 feet tall mecha? I don't think we have enough landscape to actually have these kinds of battles.
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Postby Mesoland » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:06 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:Yay! Go Argentina!

Thank you for adding your insight to the debate.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:06 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Indeed. Clearly the world should be divided into three, Asia becomes the Chinese federation, Europe becomes the European Union and the Americas become the Brittanian Empire. Futher territorial gains shall be decided by mecha combat. :)


Calm down there 1984.


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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:07 am

Old Stephania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The only solution is for humanity to leave Earth and live in space. Only then will all lands be as they were before they were conquered.

But then we would be oppressing space!!


So the only solution is to nuke ourselves.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:07 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Indeed. Clearly the world should be divided into three, Asia becomes the Chinese federation, Europe becomes the European Union and the Americas become the Brittanian Empire. Futher territorial gains shall be decided by mecha combat. :)


Calm down there 1984.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:08 am

Old Stephania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The only solution is for humanity to leave Earth and live in space. Only then will all lands be as they were before they were conquered.

But then we would be oppressing space!!


Who cares about space? We haven't even found a living being up there, and no, bacteria don't count.
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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:09 am

Mesoland wrote:
Ashworth-Attwater wrote:Yay! Go Argentina!

Thank you for adding your insight to the debate.


Stay mad, Brittie!
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:09 am

Old Stephania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The only solution is for humanity to leave Earth and live in space. Only then will all lands be as they were before they were conquered.

But then we would be oppressing space!!

We'll find an empty bit.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:09 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Mesoland wrote:Thank you for adding your insight to the debate.


Stay mad, Brittie!


Perhaps you should actually flesh your points out a little more. Then people might support you.
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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:09 am

The Greater Aryan Race wrote:
Ashworth-Attwater wrote:Yay! Go Argentina!

Yay! Screw self-determination!


Screw colonialism!
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:10 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Yay! Screw self-determination!


Screw colonialism!


Unless it's Argentine colonialism. Then it's perfectly OK.
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Postby Viking Confederacy » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:10 am

Ifreann wrote:
Old Stephania wrote:I would be screwed in this situation. My ancestors conquered England, but I can't go back to France because Normandy was conquered by Rollo. We don't even know if Rollo was a Norwegian or a Dane. :blink:

The only solution is for humanity to leave Earth and live in space. Only then will all lands be as they were before they were conquered.


But won't we have to kick out (or perhaps "resettle") whomever is currently occupying space?

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Postby Cymrea » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:11 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Yay! Screw self-determination!


Screw colonialism!

Argentina is a colonial country. Well played, sir.
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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:11 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Yay! Screw self-determination!


Screw colonialism!

Yeah! How dare those Argentinians unlawfully invade the territory of another nation!
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?

Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:12 am

Viking Confederacy wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The only solution is for humanity to leave Earth and live in space. Only then will all lands be as they were before they were conquered.


But won't we have to kick out (or perhaps "resettle") whomever is currently occupying space?


They'll just have to deal with it.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:12 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Mesoland wrote:Thank you for adding your insight to the debate.


Stay mad, Brittie!

Don't tell me this is what passes for trolling now.


Viking Confederacy wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The only solution is for humanity to leave Earth and live in space. Only then will all lands be as they were before they were conquered.


But won't we have to kick out (or perhaps "resettle") whomever is currently occupying space?

I'm confident the space amoebae will let us share space with them.

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Postby Old Stephania » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:12 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Yay! Screw self-determination!

Screw colonialism!

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:12 am

How about we evacuate the islands and give them to the US as a naval base, we always need more bases.
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Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:13 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Stay mad, Brittie!


Perhaps you should actually flesh your points out a little more. Then people might support you.


There are dozens of actual countries who support me.
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Postby The Free Rational City of Rapture » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:13 am

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:How about we evacuate the islands and give them to the US as a naval base, we always need more bases.

No we don't. We need less to be honest.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:13 am

Ashworth-Attwater wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Perhaps you should actually flesh your points out a little more. Then people might support you.


There are dozens of actual countries who support me.


So? That's not going to help you win this argument right here.
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Postby HMS Vanguard » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:14 am

Delator wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
If balkanization is a fear of the British government if they give up the Falklands then the "democratic" concepts they seem to apply are already into question, and the system is nothing but a flimsy concept to claim sovereignty.

You undermined your own argument by implying that balkanization is a fear the United Kingdom and in particular Britain has.


I see what you and HMS Vanguard are getting at.

It's a slippery slope I am describing, to be certain. I certainly don't think it's what UK politicians worry about when the issue comes up.

The fact remains that if the UK recognizes Argentina's claims in spite of the clearly stated will of the Falklands populace, the result is a net negative for the legitimacy of democratic governance, even if it's merely a few flipped seats in parliament and not full-on balkinization.

The UK recognising Argentina's claim against popular disapproval would be an indication that the UK would be more resistant to internal balkanisation, which at present is permitted if enough people support it.
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