Falkland Islands' Sovereignty Threatened?

[Calimera II]

Most of them are newly arrived immigrants and their numbers is about 1000.

Are you freaking kidding me? Do you realise that the British have been living in the Falklands since before the WORD Argentina even existed, let alone the country? There was NO native population in the Falklands until WE colonised it! The Falklands have NOTHING TO DO with Argentina in the slightest.

Don't capslock please, it makes you sound aggressive. I understand your frustration, but there is a dispute that needs to be resolved. Disputes don't exist because governments make them up. Disputes exists because countries do not agree over a particular issue. You basically say there is no dispute, but that will never solve the problem.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I think it is a great step forward that Argentina recognises the great effort made by those who fought on the Malvinas; during a very long time people tried to forget, or even hide them, as if they were a national shame. But they are not, I think we should be proud of them, honour them and respect them; I am talking of those who died, and those who survived the horrible war. Britain also honours its soldiers, I don't see why Argentina shouldn't do so.

I agree with this. Seems like initially Argetina did what we did to Vietnam Veterans.

They should be respected. Not shamed or forgotten for political reasons.

Vietnam and the Falklands War are two very different things, but yes, a nations veterans should always be honored.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Are you freaking kidding me? Do you realise that the British have been living in the Falklands since before the WORD Argentina even existed, let alone the country? There was NO native population in the Falklands until WE colonised it! The Falklands have NOTHING TO DO with Argentina in the slightest.

You were told british nationalists propaganda. Of course there was Argentinians living there until 1830 when they were expelled from UK invadors.

Methinks you are the one consuming propaganda, Argentine nationalist propaganda.

[Calimera II]

I think it is a great step forward that Argentina recognises the great effort made by those who fought on the Malvinas; during a very long time people tried to forget, or even hide them, as if they were a national shame. But they are not, I think we should be proud of them, honour them and respect them; I am talking of those who died, and those who survived the horrible war. Britain also honours its soldiers, I don't see why Argentina shouldn't do so.

I agree with this. Seems like initially Argetina did what we did to Vietnam Veterans.

They should be respected. Not shamed or forgotten for political reasons.

Moreover, I would like to emphasis the fact that I do not support any war. I feel the urge to say this, because some people keep saying or acting as if I were a supporter of the war: I am not. I think this issue should be resolved through peaceful means.

(I am not saying you said so).

[Novus America]

I agree with this. Seems like initially Argetina did what we did to Vietnam Veterans.

They should be respected. Not shamed or forgotten for political reasons.

Vietnam and the Falklands War are two very different things, but yes, a nations veterans should always be honored.

Of course the wars were different. My point was not on the wars being similar. My point was on the way veterans were treated seemed to be similar.

[Calimera II]

You were told british nationalists propaganda. Of course there was Argentinians living there until 1830 when they were expelled from UK invadors.

Methinks you are the one consuming propaganda, Argentine nationalist propaganda.

I could say the same about you, actually. 'You are the one consuming propaganda, British colonialist propaganda.' That does not make it true whatsoever.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Vietnam and the Falklands War are two very different things, but yes, a nations veterans should always be honored.

Of course the wars were different. My point was not on the wars being similar. My point was on the way veterans were treated seemed to be similar.

Point taken. Vietnam Vets were treated awfully.

[Paredonia]

You were told british nationalists propaganda. Of course there was Argentinians living there until 1830 when they were expelled from UK invadors.

You could not be more wrong. An Argentine didn't even set foot on the islands until the 1830s. We didn't invade anything, we've owned it since the 1700s! You may want to look up some actual, cold hard facts, not just believe the Argentine imperialistic propaganda that seems to pervade your country.

I could say the same about you, actually. 'You are the one consuming propaganda, British colonialist propaganda.' That does not make it true whatsoever.

But your Argentine propaganda is true? That's a bit hypocritical don't you think?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Methinks you are the one consuming propaganda, Argentine nationalist propaganda.

I could say the same about you, actually. 'You are the one consuming propaganda, British colonialist propaganda.' That does not make it true whatsoever.

Except the statement that you and Mert are making is factually false, and the one us "British Colonialists" are making is factualy true.

[Roski]

I agree with this. Seems like initially Argetina did what we did to Vietnam Veterans.

They should be respected. Not shamed or forgotten for political reasons.

Ach, America was ashamed of Vietnam Veterans?

Initially, with the exception of Vietnam War POWs.

The anger happened when Americans started fighting for their lives by killing people who approached them, after several instances of children blowing themselves up next to soldiers. When news of this reached America, the media attempted to demonize the troops in order to make the war seem less and less appealing. Remember, in Vietnam, we won the Tet Offensive, but in the Media, we lost it.

Frustration and anger at the administration became pointed at the soldiers. When we finally "lost" the Vietnam war, veterans were more respected. As well as when their stories came to light. The extremely high amounts of PTSD helped calm the anger against soldiers.

[Imperializt Russia]

Apparently, liberating a territory with majority support of the government "occupying" is a pretty shitty idea.

Most of them are newly arrived immigrants and their numbers is about 1000.

Well after the war, the Falklanders decided to have a worthwhile economy. It became actually attractive for people to move there.

It's not as though the British government turned around after the war and went "we need to try and nullify Argentinian claims by boosting the population."
In any case, I believe at least part of the growth is directly or indirectly the result of the expanded Falklands garrison of the British Army. At peak 2000 soldiers were stationed there. This size of population requires and also encourages an expansion of the local economy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I agree with this. Seems like initially Argetina did what we did to Vietnam Veterans.

They should be respected. Not shamed or forgotten for political reasons.

Ach, America was ashamed of Vietnam Veterans?

Of course we were. We fucked over our Vietnam Veterans after they came from the war. There's many stories of Vietnam War veterans which lives didn't end so well.

[Vassenor]

There was no honour in that war. It was an illegal invasion of foreign territory, that ended up costing the lives of countless soldiers on both sides. It was the least honourable thing possible.

Yes, there was. The Argentinian soldiers died to liberate the occupied territory.

So did the British Soldiers and Sailors.

[Novus America]

I agree with this. Seems like initially Argetina did what we did to Vietnam Veterans.

They should be respected. Not shamed or forgotten for political reasons.

Ach, America was ashamed of Vietnam Veterans?

Yes. Intially. They were treated horribly, given few benefits. Even cursed at and spat on.
Not all Anericans engaged in such disgusting behavior, but many did.

Note things have changed now. Still it was horrible how they were treated.

[Imperializt Russia]

I agree with this. Seems like initially Argetina did what we did to Vietnam Veterans.

They should be respected. Not shamed or forgotten for political reasons.

Moreover, I would like to emphasis the fact that I do not support any war. I feel the urge to say this, because some people keep saying or acting as if I were a supporter of the war: I am not. I think this issue should be resolved through peaceful means.

(I am not saying you said so).

This perception that some board members have is because you and others pursue the notion that Argentine soldiers and their actions were heroic.
One would argue that actions made in an unjust war are not heroic.
The whole conscripts thing makes such statements doubly iffy in my eyes, personally.

I don't regard the actions of fallen Brits in the Falklands "heroic", they were men who did their duty and died doing it.
This is not heroism - I am greatly concerned by the rise of "hero-worship" of soldiers in the west, having once been a big part of it in my youth.

[Calimera II]

You were told british nationalists propaganda. Of course there was Argentinians living there until 1830 when they were expelled from UK invadors.

You could not be more wrong. An Argentine didn't even set foot on the islands until the 1830s.

1826: Puerto Luis was established by the Argentines and permanently inhabited.

We didn't invade anything,

1833

we've owned it since the 1700s!

Historically untrue and legally extremely contested.

You may want to look up some actual, cold hard facts,

Maybe you should do so?

not just believe the Argentine imperialistic propaganda that seems to pervade your country.

Anti-Argentine Argument #204 ''Everything Argentina says is Argentine imperialistic propaganda that seems to pervade Argentina.'' *Check*

[Calimera II]

Moreover, I would like to emphasis the fact that I do not support any war. I feel the urge to say this, because some people keep saying or acting as if I were a supporter of the war: I am not. I think this issue should be resolved through peaceful means.

(I am not saying you said so).

This perception that some board members have is because you and others pursue the notion that Argentine soldiers and their actions were heroic.

Was said before the moment I said the soldiers are heroes.

[Grenartia]

So basically you don't want anything meaningful to happen, you just want to annoy the British government and achieve nothing by it.

Not only the British government but also the ordinary people. They will get trolled and it would be an achievement.

How petty of you. And absolutely disrespectful to the memory of the soldiers you claim to care about. They were already victims, forced to fight on the wrong side of an unjust war against a superior foe, by an oppressive regime. Have you no sense of respect for human dignity?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

ARENA? Yea, they won elections; however, the pro-Communist forces of the FMLN have also won elections. Also, the ex-presidents from said party have seen themselves in legal problems. Embezzlement and whatnot.

However, both parties committed war crimes during that period of time. So neither party is really interested in digging too deep, unless it bites them in the ass.

Yes, Arena. It is wonder that Mexico did not tried to annex el salvador.

Oh, they certainly did when they had this idea of a Mexican empire back in 1821 for two years. El Salvador was the only country which openly opposed the Central American annexation, and Iturbide sent troops to shut them up. By 1823 however the empire collapsed due to internal strife among the Mexican government, and they lost their control over Central America.

People from both countries during that generation and the next one hated each other because of this. Now there's just a friendly rivalry.

[Imperializt Russia]

Point taken. Vietnam Vets were treated awfully.

This comes as a suprise to me. Why were they treated awfully and how exactly?

If you aren't aware that Vietnam veterans were treated awfully in the US, you have very little exposure to western popular culture either of or referencing that era.

No-one really understood what the Vietnam war was for. It continually escalated and it was never clear to the public, and often to the soldiers, why.
Atrocities committed by some soldiers and units tarred all Vietnam vets, as it was a unique war - it was televised, it was beamed into the American home. It was a brutal conflict. Napalm, not used particularly widely or extensively since that conflict, still has an enormous impact on western popular culture.

[Ifreann]

I don't mean that they all supported the war, but it wasn't in the best interests of Argentina in the end.

And you think that is actually a valid reason to forget those who fought there and those who died?

It's always wise to remember war, the better to avoid its folly in the future. But thanking the soldiers who died in a stupid war that you ultimately lost seems a bit odd. Honour their memories, sure, but why thank them for their bravery? Their bravery didn't achieve anything. They died for nothing. If anything they should be receiving apologies, not thanks.

[Paredonia]

Historically untrue and legally extremely contested.

Funnily enough only by Argentines who swear the Falklands are theirs. Very funny indeed that.

Maybe you should look up the facts about 1833. We REASSERTED our ownership of the islands after the Argentines try to steal it from us and claim it as their own.

[Calimera II]

And you think that is actually a valid reason to forget those who fought there and those who died?

It's always wise to remember war, the better to avoid its folly in the future. But thanking the soldiers who died in a stupid war that you ultimately lost seems a bit odd. Honour their memories, sure, but why thank them for their bravery? Their bravery didn't achieve anything. They died for nothing. If anything they should be receiving apologies, not thanks.

Don't agree.

[Dooom35796821595]

Well, neither side actually declared war against the other.

Irrelevant. It does not matter if the war was formally declared or not.

It sort of does, since you can't just go around sinking other nations warships during peacetime. The UK declared a 200 nautical mile engagement zone, and the Belgrade was sunk outside it. The justification was that the UK had declared that they would engage any threat to their forces, even outside their engagement zone.

[Calimera II]

Historically untrue and legally extremely contested.

Funnily enough only by Argentines who swear the Falklands are theirs. Very funny indeed that.

Really? Maybe you should access a university searching base and you'll see plenty of articles written by non-Argentines on this issue, which support the Argentine case.