Falkland Islands' Sovereignty Threatened?

[Paredonia]

They did not die for a dictator. Many of them were young boys who did not know they were about to enter a horrible war. Every second of April the Argentine nation thanks them for their braveness. The national day is not in favour of the war whatsoever. It is to thank everyone who fought on the Malvinas and to remember those who died for the fatherland.

It's so kind of Argentina to hold a day in remembrance of the valiant British soldiers who gave their life defending British territory from foreign, imperialistic invaders. Very kind indeed.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don't think that's what he meant, Calimocho. He was expressing objection to the absurd loss of life of these conscripts. Not that they should not be remembered or respected.

You shouldn't enter this debate, react on my comment which states that they are regarded heroes in Argentina; and say that the soldiers did not help Argentina and that they died for dictator. That may be interpreted in the wrong way, you know, Nana?

I think you're misinterpreting his comment, Calimera. That's all.

It is my opinion that those who died for Franco's cause in Spain, died terribly and for the wrong reasons. That doesn't mean these people shouldn't be remembered. Or respected. They, after all, had families and were loved by their loved ones.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

DAE ARGIES SUCK WHY CAN'T THEY BE NOT-NATIONALIST AND NOT-IMPERIALIST LIKE US?

[Terminus Alpha]

So if we're arguing that the Falklands should be given back to their "original owner," we'd be giving the islands back to ...

France. And Britain.

More specifically, East Falklands would be given to the French and West Falklands to the Brits.

Of course, none of this matters, because the people on the islands voted to stay with the Brits, and the Brits won the Falklands War.

[Calimera II]

They did not die for a dictator. Many of them were young boys who did not know they were about to enter a horrible war. Every second of April the Argentine nation thanks them for their braveness. The national day is not in favour of the war whatsoever. It is to thank everyone who fought on the Malvinas and to remember those who died for the fatherland.

It's so kind of Argentina to hold a day in remembrance of the valiant British soldiers who gave their life defending British territory from foreign, imperialistic invaders. Very kind indeed.

And very kind of Britain to hold a day in remembrance of all the soldiers the British army killed; I mean, Britain invaded 9 out of every 10 countries.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's so kind of Argentina to hold a day in remembrance of the valiant British soldiers who gave their life defending British territory from foreign, imperialistic invaders. Very kind indeed.

And very kind of Britain to hold a day in remembrance of all the soldiers the British army killed; I mean, Britain invaded 9 out of every 10 countries.

It's almost as though it's descended into something petty again.

[Vassenor]

It's so kind of Argentina to hold a day in remembrance of the valiant British soldiers who gave their life defending British territory from foreign, imperialistic invaders. Very kind indeed.

And very kind of Britain to hold a day in remembrance of all the soldiers the British army killed; I mean, Britain invaded 9 out of every 10 countries.

Is this another "you're not allowed to complain about us trying to steal your land because you stole all these countries' land" thing?

[Calimera II]

And very kind of Britain to hold a day in remembrance of all the soldiers the British army killed; I mean, Britain invaded 9 out of every 10 countries.

It's almost as though it's descended into something petty again.

I was just showing how ridiculous his remark was. If I tell it in a normal way, people would get angry and say the Argentineans killed British soldiers.

[Calimera II]

And very kind of Britain to hold a day in remembrance of all the soldiers the British army killed; I mean, Britain invaded 9 out of every 10 countries.

Is this another "you're not allowed to complain about us trying to steal your land because you stole all these countries' land" thing?

No. I was copying his argument and applying it to Britain. Not a difficult thing to notice.

[Dooom35796821595]

I am hoping to steer the topic back to something vaguely relevant.

I'll wade in later, personally. I'm interested to see the relative opinion of the anglosphere.

As far as I'm concerned the Sinking of the Belgrano was entirely justified, and in the long run probably lead to less casualties on both sides as it's sinking more or less lead to the complete withdrawal of the Argentine navy to their ports. We had made the Argentine government aware days earlier that the exclusion zone was in no way the limit of our military action. Even the captain of the vessel himself said they were part of a planned southern pincer movement, he said up till the end that the sinking was a legal act of war.

Had it not been sunk and the planned movement gone ahead the task force would have been in serious risk, and the liberation of the island may never had succeeded.

I agree with this stance, especially considering that both the Argentine Navy and the ships captin maintain it was legal and justified.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You shouldn't enter this debate, react on my comment which states that they are regarded heroes in Argentina; and say that the soldiers did not help Argentina and that they died for dictator. That may be interpreted in the wrong way, you know, Nana?

I think you're misinterpreting his comment, Calimera. That's all.

It is my opinion that those who died for Franco's cause in Spain, died terribly and for the wrong reasons. That doesn't mean these people shouldn't be remembered. Or respected. They, after all, had families and were loved by their loved ones.

There's many countries where atrocities were committed.

At least you guys are not like El Salvador, where after the Civil War the highest echelons of our government have tried, hard, to hide what happened back then.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's almost as though it's descended into something petty again.

I was just showing how ridiculous his remark was. If I tell it in a normal way, people would get angry and say the Argentineans killed British soldiers.

Well that did occur, and as I recall, even you concede that such was in unjust circumstances.

[Calimera II]

I was just showing how ridiculous his remark was. If I tell it in a normal way, people would get angry and say the Argentineans killed British soldiers.

Well that did occur, and as I recall, even you concede that such was in unjust circumstances.

The war was not correct, I have told so many times before.

[Geilinor]

You shouldn't enter this debate, react on my comment which states that they are regarded heroes in Argentina; and say that the soldiers did not help Argentina and that they died for dictator. That may be interpreted in the wrong way, you know, Nana?

I think you're misinterpreting his comment, Calimera. That's all.

It is my opinion that those who died for Franco's cause in Spain, died terribly and for the wrong reasons. That doesn't mean these people shouldn't be remembered. Or respected. They, after all, had families and were loved by their loved ones.

Yes, that was my point. They should be remembered but it's hard to celebrate the memory of a war.

[Novus America]

As far as I'm concerned the Sinking of the Belgrano was entirely justified, and in the long run probably lead to less casualties on both sides as it's sinking more or less lead to the complete withdrawal of the Argentine navy to their ports. We had made the Argentine government aware days earlier that the exclusion zone was in no way the limit of our military action. Even the captain of the vessel himself said they were part of a planned southern pincer movement, he said up till the end that the sinking was a legal act of war.

Had it not been sunk and the planned movement gone ahead the task force would have been in serious risk, and the liberation of the island may never had succeeded.

I agree with this stance, especially considering that both the Argentine Navy and the ships captin maintain it was legal and justified.

Of course it was legal and justified! I do not see how this is even a thing. It was a war. It was a warship.

[Calimera II]

The war was not correct, I have told so many times before.

Well this should not be admitted to the enemies. Here is about the honor of the Argentinian soldier.

There is no enemy.

[Paredonia]

Here is about the honor of the Argentinian soldier.

There was no honour in that war. It was an illegal invasion of foreign territory, that ended up costing the lives of countless soldiers on both sides. It was the least honourable thing possible.

[Dooom35796821595]

I agree with this stance, especially considering that both the Argentine Navy and the ships captin maintain it was legal and justified.

Of course it was legal and justified! I do not see how this is even a thing. It was a war. It was a warship.

Well, neither side actually declared war against the other.

[Roski]

There was no honour in that war. It was an illegal invasion of foreign territory, that ended up costing the lives of countless soldiers on both sides. It was the least honourable thing possible.

Yes, there was. The Argentinian soldiers died to liberate the occupied territory.

Apparently, liberating a territory with majority support of the government "occupying" is a pretty shitty idea.

[Paredonia]

Yes, there was. The Argentinian soldiers died to liberate the occupied territory.

YOU were the ones that occupied it! YOU invaded land that wasn't yours and occupied it. WE were the liberators! We liberated OUR land from the Argentine aggressors and invaders.

[Novus America]

Of course it was legal and justified! I do not see how this is even a thing. It was a war. It was a warship.

Well, neither side actually declared war against the other.

Irrelevant. It does not matter if the war was formally declared or not.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

There's many countries where atrocities were committed.

At least you guys are not like El Salvador, where after the Civil War the highest echelons of our government have tried, hard, to hide what happened back then.

If I am correct this party that led the pro-American forces in El Salvador later won even elections.

ARENA? Yea, they won elections; however, the pro-Communist forces of the FMLN have also won elections. Also, the ex-presidents from said party have seen themselves in legal problems. Embezzlement and whatnot.

However, both parties committed war crimes during that period of time. So neither party is really interested in digging too deep, unless it bites them in the ass.

But, we digress.

[Calimera II]

Here is about the honor of the Argentinian soldier.

There was no honour in that war. It was an illegal invasion of foreign territory, that ended up costing the lives of countless soldiers on both sides. It was the least honourable thing possible.

I think it is a great step forward that Argentina recognises the great effort made by those who fought on the Malvinas; during a very long time people tried to forget, or even hide them, as if they were a national shame. But they are not, I think we should be proud of them, honour them and respect them; I am talking of those who died, and those who survived the horrible war. Britain also honours its soldiers, I don't see why Argentina shouldn't do so.

[Paredonia]

Most of them are newly arrived immigrants and their numbers is about 1000.

Are you freaking kidding me? Do you realise that the British have been living in the Falklands since before the WORD Argentina even existed, let alone the country? There was NO native population in the Falklands until WE colonised it! The Falklands have NOTHING TO DO with Argentina in the slightest.

[Novus America]

There was no honour in that war. It was an illegal invasion of foreign territory, that ended up costing the lives of countless soldiers on both sides. It was the least honourable thing possible.

I think it is a great step forward that Argentina recognises the great effort made by those who fought on the Malvinas; during a very long time people tried to forget, or even hide them, as if they were a national shame. But they are not, I think we should be proud of them, honour them and respect them; I am talking of those who died, and those who survived the horrible war. Britain also honours its soldiers, I don't see why Argentina shouldn't do so.

I agree with this. Seems like initially Argetina did what we did to Vietnam Veterans.

They should be respected. Not shamed or forgotten for political reasons.