Falkland Islands' Sovereignty Threatened?

[Vassenor]

Anyyyway here is great Argentinian patriotic song:

Marcha a las Malvinas Argentinas

Crappy debate tactics 101: when your point is shown for the crap it is, propaganda propaganda propaganda!

You're not expecting them to actually answer criticism are you?

[Godular]

Crappy debate tactics 101: when your point is shown for the crap it is, propaganda propaganda propaganda!

You're not expecting them to actually answer criticism are you?

If they plan on being treated with any form of credibility, that is.

[SD_Film Artists]

Anyyyway here is great Argentinian patriotic song:

Marcha a las Malvinas Argentinas

Crappy debate tactics 101: when your point is shown for the crap it is, propaganda propaganda propaganda!

It's not even good music. They college march-band music, we have Swedish metal!

[Godular]

Crappy debate tactics 101: when your point is shown for the crap it is, propaganda propaganda propaganda!

It's not even good music. They college march-band music, we have Swedish metal!

I like Apocalyptica, m'self. Diff country tho.

Holy sh... they're playing nearby in May...

[Chester-County]

I think the falklands belong to UK as the inhabitants dont feel like they should belong to Argentina and also Britain won the Falklands war and if the Argies were to attack them again the Royal Navy would probably sink the Argentinian Navy within 1 Day.

[Vassenor]

So I've just seen the argument that the Argentinians came out of the war better. Given that it led to the collapse of the Junta and the rise of democracy, whereas on our side we wound up with more Maggie.

I can kind of see that point.

[Imperializt Russia]

Would it be possible to have a quick discussion on the sinking of the Belgrano?

[SD_Film Artists]

It's not even good music. They college march-band music, we have Swedish metal!

I like Apocalyptica, m'self. Diff country tho.

Holy sh... they're playing nearby in May...

Yes they were near me too last month, supported by Alestorm.

Would it be possible to have a quick discussion on the sinking of the Belgrano?

It'll at least be more on-topic than whatever the "were there Catholics in the army??" talk was about.

[Imperializt Russia]

I am hoping to steer the topic back to something vaguely relevant.

I'll wade in later, personally. I'm interested to see the relative opinion of the anglosphere.

[Vassenor]

I am hoping to steer the topic back to something vaguely relevant.

I'll wade in later, personally. I'm interested to see the relative opinion of the anglosphere.

I don't have a good enough grasp of events to form a reasoned and informed opinion.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Good grief, how ridiculous. Anyone up for a UN Brexit?

[SD_Film Artists]

I am hoping to steer the topic back to something vaguely relevant.

I'll wade in later, personally. I'm interested to see the relative opinion of the anglosphere.

America (at least the Obama administration) is on the fence about the issue as they don't want to annoy either side.

In Britain I think the majority wants to keep the Falklands however there are a significant amount of people on the left who see "colony" and think it's the same as India.

I don't know how the other Anglophone countries see it (if they even care), I'd expect Australia has a similar view- most in favour but some against because...Republicchangetheflagplz.

[The European Federation-]

As far as I see it, the resolution was by a Advisory committee that has no legal power. I personally firmly hold that the Falkland Islands belong to the Falklanders, whom in turn are British (For as long as they choose to be of course). In my opinion International law does not in any way validate the preposterous claims by Argentina. The Un just wants the both of us to talk. And at any rate, a referendum of the people is far more legitimate than an unelected council of middle aged advisers. The UK is ever going to abandon the people or the land of the Falklands, and the EU's treaty of Lisbon seals it as British under EU law (As long as we don't commit suicide and leave).

However, despite the fact that we are ever going to recognise Argentina's claim, and that Argentina will ever let this go, I feel we should just agree to disagree (The UK and the Falklanders keeps the Falklands, Argentina never renounces its "position" but all three governments just shut the fuck up about it) and we warm our relations discussing other issues and proposals that'll benefit both the UK and Argentina much more.

[United Kingdom of Kent]

I am hoping to steer the topic back to something vaguely relevant.

I'll wade in later, personally. I'm interested to see the relative opinion of the anglosphere.

As far as I'm concerned the Sinking of the Belgrano was entirely justified, and in the long run probably lead to less casualties on both sides as it's sinking more or less lead to the complete withdrawal of the Argentine navy to their ports. We had made the Argentine government aware days earlier that the exclusion zone was in no way the limit of our military action. Even the captain of the vessel himself said they were part of a planned southern pincer movement, he said up till the end that the sinking was a legal act of war.

Had it not been sunk and the planned movement gone ahead the task force would have been in serious risk, and the liberation of the island may never had succeeded.

[Calimera II]

Still the soldiers of Argentina were heroes and sacrifices themself for the fatherland. This is the main point, and every Catholic Church in the UK should ring the bells as part of the university. It should also have today masses for the falled soldiers.

They weren't there for heroism or the fatherland. They were mostly conscripts.
Their lives were sacrificed meaninglessly by a military junta.

They are heroes in Argentina.

[Geilinor]

They weren't there for heroism or the fatherland. They were mostly conscripts.
Their lives were sacrificed meaninglessly by a military junta.

They are heroes in Argentina.

They died for a dictator, the invasion never helped their fatherland.

[Calimera II]

They are heroes in Argentina.

They died for a dictator, the invasion never helped their fatherland.

They did not die for a dictator. Many of them were young boys who did not know they were about to enter a horrible war. Every second of April the Argentine nation thanks them for their braveness. The national day is not in favour of the war whatsoever. It is to thank everyone who fought on the Malvinas and to remember those who died for the fatherland.

[Geilinor]

They died for a dictator, the invasion never helped their fatherland.

They did not die for a dictator. Many of them were young boys who did not know they were about to enter a horrible war. Every second of April the Argentine nation thanks them for their braveness. The national day is not in favour of the war whatsoever. It is to thank everyone who fought on the Malvinas and to remember those who died for the fatherland.

I don't mean that they all supported the war, but it wasn't in the best interests of Argentina in the end.

[United Kingdom of Kent]

They are heroes in Argentina.

They died for a dictator, the invasion never helped their fatherland.

I may be against the Argentine position but they were soldiers who fight for their country and what they believed in, just like our own troops. They deserve respect as such even if they didn't wish to be there.

[Calimera II]

They did not die for a dictator. Many of them were young boys who did not know they were about to enter a horrible war. Every second of April the Argentine nation thanks them for their braveness. The national day is not in favour of the war whatsoever. It is to thank everyone who fought on the Malvinas and to remember those who died for the fatherland.

I don't mean that they all supported the war, but it wasn't in the best interests of Argentina in the end.

And you think that is actually a valid reason to forget those who fought there and those who died?

[Geilinor]

I don't mean that they all supported the war, but it wasn't in the best interests of Argentina in the end.

And you think that is actually a valid reason to forget those who fought there and those who died?

Not what I said.

[Calimera II]

And you think that is actually a valid reason to forget those who fought there and those who died?

Not what I said.

Than don't say they just died for a dictator. You act like those people shouldn't be remembered or respected.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not what I said.

Than don't say they just died for a dictator. You act like those people shouldn't be remembered or respected.

I don't think that's what he meant, Calimocho. He was expressing objection to the absurd loss of life of these conscripts. Not that they should not be remembered or respected.

[Dooom35796821595]

They did not die for a dictator. Many of them were young boys who did not know they were about to enter a horrible war. Every second of April the Argentine nation thanks them for their braveness. The national day is not in favour of the war whatsoever. It is to thank everyone who fought on the Malvinas and to remember those who died for the fatherland.

I don't mean that they all supported the war, but it wasn't in the best interests of Argentina in the end.

Actually, the result of the war benifited Argentina more in the long run then the UK even if they did loose.

They died for a dictator, the invasion never helped their fatherland.

I may be against the Argentine position but they were soldiers who fight for their country and what they believed in, just like our own troops. They deserve respect as such even if they didn't wish to be there.

They get more respect from the UK then Argentina, since they're still buried in the Falklands instead of being repatriated.

[Calimera II]

Than don't say they just died for a dictator. You act like those people shouldn't be remembered or respected.

I don't think that's what he meant, Calimocho. He was expressing objection to the absurd loss of life of these conscripts. Not that they should not be remembered or respected.

You shouldn't enter this debate, react on my comment which states that they are regarded heroes in Argentina; and say that the soldiers did not help Argentina and that they died for dictator. That may be interpreted in the wrong way, you know, Nana?

They get more respect from the UK then Argentina, since they're still buried in the Falklands instead of being repatriated.

What a nonsensical comment.