Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS) II

[The balkens]

The Iron Sheik makes his last appearance ever.

Have you looked up the Sheik's tweets about ISIS?

The Iron Sheik Verified account
‏@the_ironsheik

WHAT ISIS REALLY WANTS IS FOR ME TO SUPLEX THEM BREAK THEIR FUCKING NECK PUT THEM IN CAMEL CLUTCH MAKE THEM HUMBLE

There's a lot more where that came from.

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Christ, He IS like that Crazy Iranian Grandpa we all wished we had.

If his twitter is any indication anyway.

[Ganos Lao]

Have you looked up the Sheik's tweets about ISIS?



There's a lot more where that came from.

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Christ, He IS like that Crazy Iranian Grandpa we all wished we had.

If his twitter is any indication anyway.

It sure looks like it's a good indication.

[The balkens]

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Christ, He IS like that Crazy Iranian Grandpa we all wished we had.

If his twitter is any indication anyway.

It sure looks like it's a good indication.

Fuck it, we need him on the front lines beating the fuck out of Crazy Abe.

[Trumpostan]

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Christ, He IS like that Crazy Iranian Grandpa we all wished we had.

If his twitter is any indication anyway.

It sure looks like it's a good indication.

I'm partial to Mr. T's Twitter, though he hasn't been super active lately.

https://twitter.com/mrt

[Baltenstein]

Did anyone notice that ISIS never takes Russians hostage?

Its because the last time Russians got kidnapped in the middle East, the Russian government kidnapped the relatives of the kidnappers and chopped one of them apart and sent the body parts to the kidnappers, with a threat that if the don't release the Russians more body parts will be sent. The Russians were released and never again in the Middle East were Russians held hostage.

Except ISIS recently claimed to have blown up a plane full of Russian civilians, so they don't seem to be exactly afraid of Russia.

[Blakk Metal]

Did you know IS once played funk music?

[West Aurelia]

The SOHR says coalition airstrikes have killed 250 civilians in Syria.

[Kraylandia]

The SOHR says coalition airstrikes have killed 250 civilians in Syria.

Considering the source, I wouldn't exactly take the article seriously.

[Russo-Byzantine Empire]

The SOHR says coalition airstrikes have killed 250 civilians in Syria.

Civilians die in war. Does it mention the estimated number of Daesh soldiers or other extremists who died?

[UED]

Al-Hawl offensive seems to be pushing ISIS back in Northern Syria.

[Gauthier]

Al-Hawl offensive seems to be pushing ISIS back in Northern Syria.

Brace for more street-cred boosting terror attacks.

[Kraylandia]

Al-Hawl offensive seems to be pushing ISIS back in Northern Syria.

Can you provide a source?

[UED]

Al-Hawl offensive seems to be pushing ISIS back in Northern Syria.

Can you provide a source?

http://aranews.net/2015/11/syrian-democ ... s-decline/

Apparently it ended a week ago

[Kraylandia]

Can you provide a source?

http://aranews.net/2015/11/syrian-democ ... s-decline/

Apparently it ended a week ago

Well then, you're a bit late. Good news nonetheless.

[Ganos Lao]

Al-Hawl offensive seems to be pushing ISIS back in Northern Syria.

Brace for more street-cred boosting terror attacks.

Brace for more street-cred boosting reprisal incidents too like that one story I read about the Dutch throwing pigs' heads into migrant camps.

[UED]

Brace for more street-cred boosting terror attacks.

Brace for more street-cred boosting reprisal incidents too like that one story I read about the Dutch throwing pigs' heads into migrant camps.

I actually believe that allowing more immigrants in simply intensifies the xenophobia. While I believe refugees should be let in I think the situation might simply deteriorate with nationalist extremists gaining more power in the electorate.

[Kraylandia]

He's right, you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww

[Supreme Allied Commander]

Condoleezza Rice on Fighting ISIS.

WKRG News video - Condoleezza Rice on Fighting Isis http://wkrg.com/2015/11/16/condoleeza-rice-on-fighting-isis

AL.COM - U.S. must step up attacks on ISIS in its homeland, Condoleezza Rice says during Birmingham stop - http://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2015/11/us_must_step_up_attacks_on_isi.html

Condista battleplan & strategy.

TAKE RAQQA BATTLEPLAN - by Supreme Allied Condista - Newsvine - http://supremealliedcondista.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/13/33784359-take-raqqa-battleplan

STRATEGY TO DEFEAT ISIS - by Supreme Allied Condista - Newsvine - http://supremealliedcondista.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/13/33784668-strategy-to-defeat-isis

Condista fan video

Condoleezza Rice for NATO. One for all and all for France. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AELt1gruyPc

More in Rice for President Yahoo Group message 2290 - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/rice-for-president/conversations/messages/2290

[Ganos Lao]

STRATEGY TO DEFEAT ISIS - by Supreme Allied Condista - Newsvine - http://supremealliedcondista.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/13/33784668-strategy-to-defeat-isis

1) Overall strategy - the West needs to apply the Bush Doctrine to all state-sponsors of terrorism - Saudi Arabia & other Gulf monarchies, Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Iran and other dictator states - regime change them all.

[Ganos Lao]

Brace for more street-cred boosting reprisal incidents too like that one story I read about the Dutch throwing pigs' heads into migrant camps.

I actually believe that allowing more immigrants in simply intensifies the xenophobia. While I believe refugees should be let in I think the situation might simply deteriorate with nationalist extremists gaining more power in the electorate.

It all really boils down to the West basically winging it. That's all this is. The migrants, the airstrikes, the stuff with Assad and Putin, it's all a bunch of guys and girls winging it because there really is no solution to the problem, even if they actually wanted one instead of more oil industry kickbacks. Everyone keeps on saying well, just blow ISIS up more, just go put boots on the ground, expel the migrants, yadda yadda, but none of them, not a single one, will tell you how to keep groups like ISIS from rising up again.

But like I said before, it's almost deliberate at this point. Once again, someone can say I'm too cynical, but look at the situation we have right now. The Kurds are going to be betrayed, the Yazidi are out for Sunni Arab blood no matter in whose veins it is, the Shiites are awaiting Tehran to issue the call to arms, and ISIS will probably pull some Japanese holdout-type crap for years to come even after their defeat. All of this is consistently ignored by politicians. None of them are suggesting how we fix the problems that lead to ISIS. We are so hellbent on deducing that these guys (ISIS, al-Qaeda, etc) are just madmen who one day decided to go out and butcher people that we don't bother to think well, how can we stop such groups from starting in the first place.

Tezdrian once posted a really informative post concerning the crisis at hand. In fact, I'll post it here for everyone to see:

We're not taking them seriously.

The Islamic State needs to be taken seriously, because they take themselves seriously. They're not like the kid on the Internet saying "fite me irl m80," they're a goddamn country that is explicitly dedicated to conquering the globe; and their bite is every bit as awful as their bark. Beheading people, raping children, stoning women and cutting off the hands of thieves -- this isn't shock factor, it's hudud, a specific class of crime in Islamic law with divinely-mandated punishment. They don't do things for shock value, they do things because they believe in it.

I've watched IS' propaganda videos and I've read every issue of their magazine, and read the works of their apologists. I'm not an expert by any means, but it is very clear to me that by dismissing them we just make the problem bigger. Every non-Muslim who says they're just disillusioned teens dicking around, every pundit who dismisses IS as a flash-in-the-pan terror group that will vanish in a year, that makes them seem like less of a problem.

IS is so awful we want to do everything we can to bury our heads in the sand. By insisting that IS isn't Muslim, Muslims can ignore the problem of radicalism in their own communities that leads to born-Muslim youths going to Syria. By making them into cheap caricatures of evil and ignoring the sophisticated message, means, and theology of IS -- and deriding Western youths who join them -- non-Muslims can continue to ignore the serious issues of disillusionment and lack of purpose which make IS' radical and utopian ideology attractive to initially non-Muslim teens who convert to Islam and radicalise.

The Islamic State is a problem which begets, and is begotten by, more problems. Radicalisation of religious minorities, a youth culture consumed by nihilism and hopelessness, chronic corruption and failed-state-ism in the Middle East, all of these problems contribute to and are made worse by IS and acknowledging and fighting them is just as important as fighting IS with boots on the ground or drones in the sky.

Focus particularly on the last part of this post:

The Islamic State is a problem which begets, and is begotten by, more problems. Radicalisation of religious minorities, a youth culture consumed by nihilism and hopelessness, chronic corruption and failed-state-ism in the Middle East, all of these problems contribute to and are made worse by IS and acknowledging and fighting them is just as important as fighting IS with boots on the ground or drones in the sky.

We are not only seeing these problems ignored, but aggravated, by world governments.

I keep having to bring up Saudi Arabia, but everyone and their mama knows that the ideology that these groups like ISIS, al-Qaeda, etc believe in came directly from Saudi-funded mosques. Saudi-funded imams are preaching these doctrines as we speak to thousands of Muslims who may decide that hey, these guys were onto something. The ideology has been methodically disseminated across the Islamic world for decades via Saudi wealth funding ‘education’ and religious literature to universities and mosques everywhere from Egypt and Iraq to Pakistan and Indonesia. Worse, the Saudi-funded dissemination of Wahabist-inspired propaganda has for a long time been spreading beyond the Middle East and into Western societies, especially the Muslim communities in the UK and France (where, gee, didn't we just have a terrorist attack?)

A two-year study conducted by Dr Denis MacEoin, an Islamic studies expert who taught at the University of Fez, uncovered a hoard of “malignant literature” inside as many as a quarter of Britain’s mosques. This is bad, but the most interesting fact was that all of it had been published and distributed by agencies linked to the government of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. You may remember him as one of Bush's staunch friends during the Iraq War fiasco. His successor, Salman, is currently funding a hardline Islamist coalition fighting Assad which includes al-Qaeda linked al-Nusra Front. No one's doing anything about that either, of course.

In fact, the Saudis (Sunni) are getting irked that America isn't doing more to back them in getting rid of the pesky Assad (Shiite) backed by Tehran. What we are seeing is the systematic destruction of the Middle East all because of this dick measuring contest between the Saudis and Iranians. And what we will continue to see is this contest spiraling out of control. The end of Assad won't mean shit. Assad will inevitably be replaced by some prick who feels the need to go all Islamist on his population, thus making the Americans and others look like fools again a la Libya and Iraq. And then what will we see? The Alawites, like the Yazidi, will be massacred en masse. And then we'll all go "geez, we have to deal with this shit yet again?" as another group springs up and who knows then how many innocent Western citizens will die because of it.

But now back to the study. The leaflets, DVDs and journals were full of statements that homosexuals should be burnt, stoned or thrown from mountains or tall buildings, with adulterers and apostates (those who try to change their religion) proscribed a similar fate. Women were portrayed as intellectually inferior and in need of “beating when they transgressed” orthodox Islamic codes, while children over the age of 10 should be beaten if they did not pray. Half of the literature was written in English, suggesting it was targeted at younger British Muslims who don’t speak Arabic or Urdu. The material, openly available in many of the mosques, openly advises British Muslims to segregate themselves from non-Muslims.

This isn’t new information, of course. Investigative journalists have uncovered similar things on numerous occasions, while people who’ve actually grown up within the Muslim communities have been aware of such ideas and literature for a long time. Saudi-funded Wahhabist literature can be cited as a major influence (though not the sole influence) on the indoctrination of young British men alienated from mainstream society and on the seduction of men into extremist organisations like Al-Qaeda and ISIS/Daesh the world over. Worse in places like Pakistan where, unlike in the UK, most young men aren’t privileged with access to a high standard of education or to reliable sources of public information but do have plenty of access to religious schools and mosques, many of which teach from Saudi-funded literature and where it's open season on non-Muslims (which includes the Ahmadis who are seen as pro-Western).

This is in fact a key point: the Saudi-funded literature and material has traditionally targeted poorer areas in the Muslim world, such as the poorer parts of countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan or Indonesia, where education infrastructure is limited and there are limited resources. In those cases, Saudi wealth is able to pay for the building or upkeep of schools or mosques – but on the condition that their Wahhabi-centered interpretation of Islam is taught and distributed. As a result of this process taking place over many years, scores of young men grow up on this extremist interpretation of Islam, because it’s forced on them and they lack access to more sophisticated education or information. Essentially, they don’t know any better anymore.

And this all ends up leading to groups like ISIS springing up. The so-called ‘Islamic State’ that has been imported into Syria and Iraq is essentially a movement that has ideologically flowed from Wahhabi doctrine. Despite this, Saudi Arabia – no doubt due to its wealth and value to the US and its allies (from where else could the US and its coalition have invaded Iraq?) – has never at any point been subject to any threat or been held to international questioning over the cynical and methodical dissemination of extremist doctrines across the Muslim world.

Saudi Arabia is the original Islamic State. It has been since it pushed the Hashemites (the group who rule today's Jordan) out of Arabia. It was when the Taliban were overthrown, all the while Bush was living it up with the Saudi oligarchy. It is when the Saudis are using cluster bombs and US drones to tear through the lives of Yemeni citizens caught up in the latest incarnation of their dick measuring contest (the Houthi revolt).

The fact that the Saudi appointment as head of the UN Human Rights Council was applauded by the United States government alone proves me right here.

And people have said, well, fuck the Saudis, let's just wean ourselves off (their) oil. That's good and all, but then you'd essentially be rolling the red carpet for ISIS and other such groups to seize power in Saudi Arabia, and that would just mean the West would have to be there anyway in some capacity and it'll be back at square one for Johnny the Western politician who'll probably make a mess of that too.

Everything has a price. The price we're paying now is the price for the Western foreign policy blunder spree stemming back from WW1 onward (no doubt why ISIS opportunistically appropriates the Sykes-Pycot agreement to make people, even on NSG here, go "yeah, they're right about that"), aggravated by the Cold War (Russia's predecessor, the Soviet Union, is just as guilty as the US) and culminating in the problem we face today where a country with slave labor can be awarded a World Cup.

The critics of the reaction to the French attacks were right in one way.

We should start praying for other places in the world, because they're sure as hell going to need it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Condoleezza Rice on Fighting ISIS.

WKRG News video - Condoleezza Rice on Fighting Isis http://wkrg.com/2015/11/16/condoleeza-rice-on-fighting-isis

AL.COM - U.S. must step up attacks on ISIS in its homeland, Condoleezza Rice says during Birmingham stop - http://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2015/11/us_must_step_up_attacks_on_isi.html

Condista battleplan & strategy.

TAKE RAQQA BATTLEPLAN - by Supreme Allied Condista - Newsvine - http://supremealliedcondista.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/13/33784359-take-raqqa-battleplan

STRATEGY TO DEFEAT ISIS - by Supreme Allied Condista - Newsvine - http://supremealliedcondista.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/13/33784668-strategy-to-defeat-isis

Condista fan video

Condoleezza Rice for NATO. One for all and all for France. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AELt1gruyPc

More in Rice for President Yahoo Group message 2290 - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/rice-for-president/conversations/messages/2290

You are not a fucking battle commander.

Also "regime change them all" yeah because that will totally not devolve into a situation thirty times worse than it currently is, Get real.

[Supreme Allied Commander]

STRATEGY TO DEFEAT ISIS - by Supreme Allied Condista - Newsvine - http://supremealliedcondista.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/13/33784668-strategy-to-defeat-isis

1) Overall strategy - the West needs to apply the Bush Doctrine to all state-sponsors of terrorism - Saudi Arabia & other Gulf monarchies, Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Iran and other dictator states - regime change them all.

Despite this, Saudi Arabia – no doubt due to its wealth and value to the US and its allies (from where else could the US and its coalition have invaded Iraq?) – has never at any point been subject to any threat or been held to international questioning over the cynical and methodical dissemination of extremist doctrines across the Muslim world.

Saudi Arabia is the original Islamic State. It has been since it pushed the Hashemites (the group who rule today's Jordan) out of Arabia. It was when the Taliban were overthrown, all the while Bush was living it up with the Saudi oligarchy.

Hence why it is important to distinguish between

• on the one hand, Bush, the doctrine, which, considering meticulously and conscientiously the Saudi role in sponsoring terrorism would imply a doctrinal conclusion of the necessity of changing US policy to "Regime-change Saudi Arabia" and
  
  
  
• on the other hand, George W Bush, the president and former president, who was and is ignorant of and recklessly disinterested in the Saudi role in sponsoring terrorism who sustained a "W" policy in office of "Buy oil from and do business with the Saudi regime".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

If that's too confusing, just refer to the Bush Doctrine as the "regime-change state-sponsors of terrorism doctrine".

President Obama apes George W Bush, the man, rather than apply the Bush Doctrine in the Obama administration's policies with regard to Saudi Arabia.

Just think of George W and Barack playing a carefree round of golf together while concerned foreign policy experts are rolling their eyes and being irked at both of those presidents' failures to apply consistently a policy of regime change to all state sponsors of terrorism and you'll get the picture.

[Iwassoclose]

Havent followed the war in months. How are things going? If anyone doesnt mind doing a quick update.

[Supreme Allied Commander]

Condoleezza Rice on Fighting ISIS.

WKRG News video - Condoleezza Rice on Fighting Isis http://wkrg.com/2015/11/16/condoleeza-rice-on-fighting-isis

AL.COM - U.S. must step up attacks on ISIS in its homeland, Condoleezza Rice says during Birmingham stop - http://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2015/11/us_must_step_up_attacks_on_isi.html

Condista battleplan & strategy.

TAKE RAQQA BATTLEPLAN - by Supreme Allied Condista - Newsvine - http://supremealliedcondista.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/13/33784359-take-raqqa-battleplan

STRATEGY TO DEFEAT ISIS - by Supreme Allied Condista - Newsvine - http://supremealliedcondista.newsvine.com/_news/2015/08/13/33784668-strategy-to-defeat-isis

Condista fan video

Condoleezza Rice for NATO. One for all and all for France. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AELt1gruyPc

More in Rice for President Yahoo Group message 2290 - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/rice-for-president/conversations/messages/2290

You are not a fucking battle commander.

That's right. Out of character, in the real world, I am a Condista, not a "commander".

So my real-world battle-plan is authored "Supreme Allied Condista" as is my username in other political forums.

Only here in Nation States is my in-character username "Supreme Allied Commander".

Also "regime change them all" yeah because that will totally not devolve into a situation thirty times worse than it currently is, Get real.

The reality is we are not winning the war on terror with the current half-baked, inconsistent approach and so the terrorism will continue indefinitely.

Regime-changing all state sponsors of terrorism at least offers the prospect of a final victory and a resolution of the situation to a sustainable peace.

[The balkens]

Havent followed the war in months. How are things going? If anyone doesnt mind doing a quick update.

We are bombing the shit out of them, Kurds make some small advances and gains, Crazy Abe loses that Jihadi John Asshole due to unmanned drone.

Turkey is being a dick and not doing jack shit apart from the shooting down of a Russian Attack jet that may have breached its airspace.