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Should the US deploy ground forces to defeat ISIS

Yes!
136
43%
No!
118
38%
It isn't our fight!
46
15%
Who is ISIS?
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Total votes : 313

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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:08 pm

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Rejeistan
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Postby Rejeistan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:13 pm

All of ISIS's actions are backed up by Islam. That said, let in all the refugees.
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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:19 pm

Jamzmania wrote:
Kubra wrote: whoops, sorry, somehow missed your post.
You want to make Syria "safe". With a ground invasion. There is, of course, a sort of contradiction here. You don't make places safe by occupying, bruh. Didn't work for neither Iraq or Afghanistan. You're gonna have to tell us how this will be different.

You destroy ISIS with overwhelming military force and create safe areas within Syria so they don't have to flee. You don't have to occupy it with US troops. That's what locals and the UN are for.
did overwhelming military force discourage the budding insurgency the first time around
what makes you suppose it will this time
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Kaboomlandia
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:22 pm

Rejeistan wrote:All of ISIS's actions are backed up by Islam. That said, let in all the refugees.

Please, can we call them Daesh? Don't legitimize their actions with religion.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:26 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Rejeistan wrote:All of ISIS's actions are backed up by Islam. That said, let in all the refugees.

Please, can we call them Daesh? Don't legitimize their actions with religion.


And that whole "Islam Legitimizes Them" bullshit is the sort of thing they're counting on to alienate and piss off Western Muslims into joining their cause.
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West Aurelia
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Postby West Aurelia » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:30 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Rejeistan wrote:All of ISIS's actions are backed up by Islam. That said, let in all the refugees.

Please, can we call them Daesh? Don't legitimize their actions with religion.


Daesh and ISIS mean the exact same thing.
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Gauthier
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:31 pm

Daesh threatens attack on White House.

Immediately afterwards they took credit for Independence Day.

Image
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:31 pm

West Aurelia wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Please, can we call them Daesh? Don't legitimize their actions with religion.


Daesh and ISIS mean the exact same thing.


But they hate being called Daesh.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Daburuetchi
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:32 pm

Gauthier wrote:Daesh threatens attack on White House.

Immediately afterwards they took credit for Independence Day.

(Image)


Well that part where the pilot kamikazes into the UFO probables tickles Isis in the right way.

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Rejeistan
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Postby Rejeistan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:32 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Rejeistan wrote:All of ISIS's actions are backed up by Islam. That said, let in all the refugees.

Please, can we call them Daesh? Don't legitimize their actions with religion.

Point taken. I'll call them the Islamic Caliphate, recognizing them as a State legitimizes them too much.
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Gauthier
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:33 pm

Rejeistan wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Please, can we call them Daesh? Don't legitimize their actions with religion.

Point taken. I'll call them the Islamic Caliphate, recognizing them as a State legitimizes them too much.


So instead you legitimize them as a monarchy.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Rejeistan
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Postby Rejeistan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:34 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Rejeistan wrote:Point taken. I'll call them the Islamic Caliphate, recognizing them as a State legitimizes them too much.


So instead you legitimize them as a monarchy.

Monarchies aren't legitimate. The state at least has the possibility of democratic support and legitimacy.
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Gauthier
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:35 pm

Rejeistan wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
So instead you legitimize them as a monarchy.

Monarchies aren't legitimate. The state at least has the possibility of democratic support and legitimacy.


So how does that explain Britain- o hai Gai Fox.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Rejeistan
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Postby Rejeistan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:37 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Rejeistan wrote:Monarchies aren't legitimate. The state at least has the possibility of democratic support and legitimacy.


So how does that explain Britain- o hai Gai Fox.

Erm, the British Monarchy should not be in charge of the UK? :?
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West Aurelia
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Postby West Aurelia » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:39 pm

Gauthier wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:
Daesh and ISIS mean the exact same thing.


But they hate being called Daesh.


Fair point, but it still legitimizes them either way by referring to an Islamic State. Really there's no proper name you can call them without referring to an Islamic State.
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Kaboomlandia
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:46 pm

Yes, but Daesh hates being called that - they have threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone using it. Apparently, depending on how it's conjugated in Arabic, it can be insulting.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
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Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:48 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Yes, but Daesh hates being called that - they have threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone using it. Apparently, depending on how it's conjugated in Arabic, it can be insulting.

That's the whole point of calling them Daesh. It sounds like "to crush or trample on", which is what they do and what people want to do to them.
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Kaboomlandia
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:48 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Yes, but Daesh hates being called that - they have threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone using it. Apparently, depending on how it's conjugated in Arabic, it can be insulting.

That's the whole point of calling them Daesh. It sounds like "to crush or trample on", which is what they do and what people want to do to them.

Better that then legitimizing them as a state. They're not Islamic, and they certainly are not a state.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:55 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Yes, but Daesh hates being called that - they have threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone using it. Apparently, depending on how it's conjugated in Arabic, it can be insulting.

That's the whole point of calling them Daesh. It sounds like "to crush or trample on", which is what they do and what people want to do to them.

The term means the same thing. Daesh is the acronym of Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. But, as you have stated, it sounds ugly in Arabic, and is similar to daaes, which is to step or trample.

The meaning is the same however.
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Postby Uxupox » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:56 pm

Rejeistan wrote:All of ISIS's actions are backed up by Islam. That said, let in all the refugees.


What the fuck no they aren't. BY saying that you alienate Muslims across the globe.
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Daburuetchi
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:59 pm

Olerand wrote:
Geilinor wrote:That's the whole point of calling them Daesh. It sounds like "to crush or trample on", which is what they do and what people want to do to them.

The term means the same thing. Daesh is the acronym of Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. But, as you have stated, it sounds ugly in Arabic, and is similar to daaes, which is to step or trample.

The meaning is the same however.


Isis will kill you if you call them daesh to their face though. I personally join in with the Shia crowd and call them takfiri

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Postby Uxupox » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:01 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Olerand wrote:The term means the same thing. Daesh is the acronym of Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. But, as you have stated, it sounds ugly in Arabic, and is similar to daaes, which is to step or trample.

The meaning is the same however.


Isis will kill you if you call them daesh to their face though. I personally join in with the Shia crowd and call them takfiri


Still don't understand why they uppity by being called Daesh. I thought Daesh mean't Islamic state in Arabic.
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Rejeistan
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Postby Rejeistan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:01 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Rejeistan wrote:All of ISIS's actions are backed up by Islam. That said, let in all the refugees.


What the fuck no they aren't. BY saying that you alienate Muslims across the globe.

ISIS =/= All muslims across the globe. ISIS is far more faithful than the average believer.
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Gauthier
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:03 pm

Rejeistan wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
What the fuck no they aren't. BY saying that you alienate Muslims across the globe.

ISIS =/= All muslims across the globe. ISIS is far more faithful than the average believer.


"Real Muslims are like Daesh." Classy.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Rejeistan
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Postby Rejeistan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:04 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Rejeistan wrote:ISIS =/= All muslims across the globe. ISIS is far more faithful than the average believer.


"Real Muslims are like Daesh." Classy.

Mohammed was like Daesh.

Most people that identify as Muslim aren't, though. Not saying that.
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