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Should the US deploy ground forces to defeat ISIS

Yes!
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No!
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It isn't our fight!
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Who is ISIS?
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Blakk Metal
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Postby Blakk Metal » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:04 pm

ISIS has the ability to attack far away areas deep in enemy territory consistently?

Crazy Abe > Hitler

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:15 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:They need to declare war on the mobs who stormed a scottish store, and threatened to kill the owners for the "crime" of being muslim.


No silly, the mob was just Fighting Terrorism™.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:16 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:ISIS has the ability to attack far away areas deep in enemy territory consistently?

Crazy Abe > Hitler

Crazy Abe is Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, right?
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:16 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:ISIS has the ability to attack far away areas deep in enemy territory consistently?

Crazy Abe > Hitler


All Daesh figures come with Deep Strike.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:05 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:ISIS has the ability to attack far away areas deep in enemy territory consistently?

Crazy Abe > Hitler

Crazy Abe is Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, right?

Ja.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:07 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:ISIS has the ability to attack far away areas deep in enemy territory consistently?

Crazy Abe > Hitler


All Daesh figures come with Deep Strike.

Commander Boreale is their General. *nod*

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Ganos Lao
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Postby Ganos Lao » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:45 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:They need to declare war on the mobs who stormed a scottish store, and threatened to kill the owners for the "crime" of being muslim.


So one of my predictions is coming true.

And decades later, the West will act totally aloof as to its role.



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Postby Ganos Lao » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:47 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:The sleeping giant awakes!
It's all over now! For reals! Some anonymous person online just declared was on ISIS! Truly, they must be quaking in terror.


Anonymous couldn't even handle the Cartels, who scared them off when they turned the tables on 'em (the Cartels were tracking down Anonymous members themselves to be specific).

What makes 'em think they can handle a group ten times worse?



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Postby Gauthier » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:48 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The sleeping giant awakes!
It's all over now! For reals! Some anonymous person online just declared was on ISIS! Truly, they must be quaking in terror.


Anonymous couldn't even handle the Cartels, who scared them off when they turned the tables on 'em (the Cartels were tracking down Anonymous members themselves to be specific).

What makes 'em think they can handle a group ten times worse?


They probably don't even have to track down Anons, their short attention spans means they get bored and go back to griefing ordinary people on the Internet.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Ganos Lao
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Postby Ganos Lao » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:54 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
Anonymous couldn't even handle the Cartels, who scared them off when they turned the tables on 'em (the Cartels were tracking down Anonymous members themselves to be specific).

What makes 'em think they can handle a group ten times worse?


They probably don't even have to track down Anons, their short attention spans means they get bored and go back to griefing ordinary people on the Internet.


I was being serious, though. When Anonymous threatened the Mexican Cartels, the Cartels sent their own goons onto the internet to track down Anonymous members.



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Postby Gauthier » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:57 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
They probably don't even have to track down Anons, their short attention spans means they get bored and go back to griefing ordinary people on the Internet.


I was being serious, though. When Anonymous threatened the Mexican Cartels, the Cartels sent their own goons onto the internet to track down Anonymous members.


Occupy Wall Street lasted longer than Project Chanology. The most damage that Scientology has gotten to date was from Leah Remini spilling the goods.

Daesh won't even have to resort to hiring their own hackers to get Anon to stop. Just wade out the shutdowns of accounts like they usually do, and then short attention span does the rest.
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Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Ganos Lao
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Postby Ganos Lao » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:59 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
I was being serious, though. When Anonymous threatened the Mexican Cartels, the Cartels sent their own goons onto the internet to track down Anonymous members.


Occupy Wall Street lasted longer than Project Chanology. The most damage that Scientology has gotten to date was from Leah Remini spilling the goods.

Daesh won't even have to resort to hiring their own hackers to get Anon to stop. Just wade out the shutdowns of accounts like they usually do, and then short attention span does the rest.


Well, their hearts are in the right place, at least, if only for a moment.



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Postby Arkinesia » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:15 pm

When I go to my local bookstore (yes, I do that in 2015), and I take a gander at the current affairs section, I see a bunch of books about the Islamic State. I really wonder, what will my grandchildren think 60 years from now, when they're at a library and see all these books? “Gramps, did people really think a group with a military smaller than the city of Eugene, Oregon would take over the entire Middle East and was a major focus of Western military strategy?”

And I'll have to tell them that yes, yes people did think that. And I will have to feel the collective shame of the sheer infantilization of Western civilization.
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Ganos Lao
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Postby Ganos Lao » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:17 pm

Arkinesia wrote:When I go to my local bookstore (yes, I do that in 2015), and I take a gander at the current affairs section, I see a bunch of books about the Islamic State. I really wonder, what will my grandchildren think 60 years from now, when they're at a library and see all these books? “Gramps, did people really think a group with a military smaller than the city of Eugene, Oregon would take over the entire Middle East and was a major focus of Western military strategy?”

And I'll have to tell them that yes, yes people did think that. And I will have to feel the collective shame of the sheer infantilization of Western civilization.


Don't forget the shame of the sheer incompetance of Western civilization, as well as the fact that most of the Westerners who instigated the series of unfortunate events that led to the rise of the Islamic State (coupled with the locals in the region who also contributed) will be painted as heroes against/victims of terrorism rather than what they really were.



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Ganos Lao
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:56 am

I should make mention that as early as July, perhaps a bit earlier, that already there is being mentioned the betrayal of the Kurds by the Western powers that be, the most recent I've seen being from September.

In fact, it is even being claimed that as far back as 2009 by three sources, Assad sent out feelers to Washington:

The Syrian government would be willing to turn over all of its intelligence files on Al Qaeda and linked terrorists and broadly cooperate on counterterrorism. In exchange, the Obama administration would ease up on its criticism of the Assad regime.

One of my sources, a former senior CIA officer who currently lives and works in Iraq, told me that the Syrians even offered a few choice samples from their files to demonstrate how serious they were, but the Obama administration wavered and the moment passed.


Would things have changed had the US accepted this deal?
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Seraven
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Postby Seraven » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:03 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:I should make mention that as early as July, perhaps a bit earlier, that already there is being mentioned the betrayal of the Kurds by the Western powers that be, the most recent I've seen being from September.

In fact, it is even being claimed that as far back as 2009 by three sources, Assad sent out feelers to Washington:

The Syrian government would be willing to turn over all of its intelligence files on Al Qaeda and linked terrorists and broadly cooperate on counterterrorism. In exchange, the Obama administration would ease up on its criticism of the Assad regime.

One of my sources, a former senior CIA officer who currently lives and works in Iraq, told me that the Syrians even offered a few choice samples from their files to demonstrate how serious they were, but the Obama administration wavered and the moment passed.


Would things have changed had the US accepted this deal?


Yes. At least it would put pressures on Al Qaeda and linked terrorists groups, forcing them to hide even deeper and losing some of their resources at the surface. Fewer access to resources and manpower and at the same time hunted by US-Syria coalition terrorist hunt groups certainly will change our future.

Except it's just a fantasy. A fantasy that's been put down permanently when the current administration at that time wavered.
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Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:09 pm

Seraven wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:I should make mention that as early as July, perhaps a bit earlier, that already there is being mentioned the betrayal of the Kurds by the Western powers that be, the most recent I've seen being from September.

In fact, it is even being claimed that as far back as 2009 by three sources, Assad sent out feelers to Washington:



Would things have changed had the US accepted this deal?


Yes. At least it would put pressures on Al Qaeda and linked terrorists groups, forcing them to hide even deeper and losing some of their resources at the surface. Fewer access to resources and manpower and at the same time hunted by US-Syria coalition terrorist hunt groups certainly will change our future.

Except it's just a fantasy. A fantasy that's been put down permanently when the current administration at that time wavered.


Only to be replaced by a terrorist group formed out of pissed-off rebels who see the U.S. as giving a thumbs-up to Assad gunning down protestors.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:10 pm

Gauthier wrote:Only to be replaced by a terrorist group formed out of pissed-off rebels who see the U.S. as giving a thumbs-up to Assad gunning down protestors.

What are we supposed to do? IS is the bigger threat.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:11 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Only to be replaced by a terrorist group formed out of pissed-off rebels who see the U.S. as giving a thumbs-up to Assad gunning down protestors.

What are we supposed to do? IS is the bigger threat.


A Bigger Threat that just succeeded in YOLOing the entire world.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Kraylandia » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:03 am

I don't really seeing the whole anti-ISIS operation by Anonymous lasting long to be honest. I'm sure they have good intentions but it's not like they can actually do anything worthwhile.
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Postby Kraylandia » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:21 am



Good.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:23 am

Kraylandia wrote:


Good.


Because the United States is great at wiping out insurgencies.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:25 am

man people who want boots on ground but hesitate on the matter of taking in refugees are weird as fuck
like taking in refugees and straight up invading are symbiotic policies.
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Postby Kraylandia » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:27 am

Kubra wrote:
man people who want boots on ground but hesitate on the matter of taking in refugees are weird as fuck
like taking in refugees and straight up invading are symbiotic policies.


Boots on the ground. Make it safe for Syrians. They don't have to come over here. Simple.
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