Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS) II

[Ganos Lao]

They won't last. Once they get told they won't have American support, they won't last.

What makes you think that? If anything, Iraqi Kurdistan has been the most tolerant and decent of the factions present.

Because America isn't going to go support the partition of Iraq. America has spent too much time, money and energy into maintaining Iraq as one country. That was the whole reason they went to war with Saddam (as they'll often say) in the first place.

Not only that, but will America really risk pissing off the Turks and Iranians? Will they really risk causing more problems in an already unstable situation, let alone region?

I think what will happen is that the Kurds will declare independence, but won't get the support they need, and they'll end up claiming the West betrayed them a la Poland in WWII.

I just don't see it happening, at least not without full scale bloodshed. I'm talking war, real war, not this ISIS vs non-ISIS militia stuff.

[Salus Maior]

What makes you think that? If anything, Iraqi Kurdistan has been the most tolerant and decent of the factions present.

Because America isn't going to go support the partition of Iraq. America has spent too much time, money and energy into maintaining Iraq as one country. That was the whole reason they went to war with Saddam in the first place.

Not only that, but will America really risk pissing off the Turks and Iranians? Will they really risk causing more problems in an already unstable situation, let alone region?

I think what will happen is that the Kurds will declare independence, but won't get the support they need, and they'll end up claiming the West betrayed them a la Poland in WWII.

I just don't see it happening, at least not without full scale bloodshed. I'm talking war, real war, not this ISIS vs non-ISIS militia stuff.

That wasn't at all the reason why America invaded Iraq. For one, they needed a scapegoat for 9/11, secondly, they wanted to correct their error in not deposing Saddam in the Gulf War, thirdly, "Weapons of Mass Destruction", and fourthly, oil. Maintaining Iraq was not the priority.

With who?

[Ganos Lao]

Because America isn't going to go support the partition of Iraq. America has spent too much time, money and energy into maintaining Iraq as one country. That was the whole reason they went to war with Saddam in the first place.

Not only that, but will America really risk pissing off the Turks and Iranians? Will they really risk causing more problems in an already unstable situation, let alone region?

I think what will happen is that the Kurds will declare independence, but won't get the support they need, and they'll end up claiming the West betrayed them a la Poland in WWII.

I just don't see it happening, at least not without full scale bloodshed. I'm talking war, real war, not this ISIS vs non-ISIS militia stuff.

That wasn't at all the reason why America invaded Iraq. For one, they needed a scapegoat for 9/11, secondly, they wanted to correct their error in not deposing Saddam in the Gulf War, thirdly, "Weapons of Mass Destruction", and fourthly, oil. Maintaining Iraq was not the priority.

With who?

I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the United States; I didn't mean to convey that's what I personally believed concerning American motivations for invading Iraq. My post is all about understanding the situation from each side.

Now since the United States affirms such a philosophy contrary to our own, that the Iraq War was a legitimate venture and all that, I don't see them basically going yeah, turns out we were just idiots the entire time and shifting to supporting the partition of Iraq. Without American support, the Kurds are essentially in a hopeless situation.

Secondly? The Turks, Iranians, etc. And America will be caught in the crossfire if it meddles enough. The thing is that Kurdistan will never be independent until they kill enough of their enemies to force their hand, but like I said, without US support, they won't be able to.

[Salus Maior]

I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the United States; I didn't mean to convey that's what I personally believed concerning American motivations for invading Iraq. My post is all about understanding the situation from each side.

Secondly? The Turks, Iranians, etc. And America will be caught in the crossfire if it meddles enough. The thing is that Kurdistan will never be independent until they kill enough of their enemies to force their hand, but like I said, without US support, they won't be able to.

From who's view in the United States? The Government? What I said was basically their real motivation. "Deposing Saddam" was their excuse for invasion.

Turks I understand, but what would Iran's motive be in fighting Kurdistan? I imagine that they would benefit from them breaking off of Iraq.

And I suppose we'll see.

[Ganos Lao]

I'm speaking from the viewpoint of the United States; I didn't mean to convey that's what I personally believed concerning American motivations for invading Iraq. My post is all about understanding the situation from each side.

Secondly? The Turks, Iranians, etc. And America will be caught in the crossfire if it meddles enough. The thing is that Kurdistan will never be independent until they kill enough of their enemies to force their hand, but like I said, without US support, they won't be able to.

From who's view in the United States? The Government? What I said was basically their real motivation. "Deposing Saddam" was their excuse for invasion.

Turks I understand, but what would Iran's motive be in fighting Kurdistan? I imagine that they would benefit from them breaking off of Iraq.

And I suppose we'll see.

The government's, of course, and Kurdistan claims Iranian territory too. The Kurds and Persians haven't gotten along, and there's bad blood accordingly between them.

Iraqi Kurdistan somehow getting independence will only inspire Tehran and Ankara to think that it'll spread and cause problems for them.

It's one thing to partition Iraq and think that'll fix everything. It's another to bolster a group that demands unity with their brothers and sisters in neighbouring countries and has been willing to fight for such an ideal.

[Salus Maior]

The government's, of course, and Kurdistan claims Iranian territory too. The Kurds and Persians haven't gotten along, and there's bad blood accordingly between them.

Iraqi Kurdistan somehow getting independence will only inspire Tehran and Ankara to think that it'll spread and cause problems for them.

It's one thing to partition Iraq and think that'll fix everything. It's another to bolster a group that demands unity with their brothers and sisters in neighbouring countries and has been willing to fight for such an ideal.

I don't claim that everything will be peachy in a partitioned Iraq, but it will solve the constant ethno-religious conflict and how one group always has the upper hand in government to oppress the other. It's just how it will be solved because nothing else has worked, or will work in terms of dealing with the sectarian conflict.

Well, maybe that's just something that has to happen. Turkey has held on to lands it has no right to for long enough, it's about time someone fought them. And I would not say that things would necessarily be easy for Turkey either, because guerrilla wars, as we've been learning for the past 50 years, are not a cakewalk.

[Seraven]

Maybe he wants them to turn into Iraq. You know, regime change, and destroy the country in the process...

Regime change every country on the planet, what could possibly go wrong?

If the regime change is supported by foreign power, it could go wrong. Not every foreign-backed regime change is bad, but some are bad.

Or turning into a worse condition than before. Like Iraq. And Libya. And Chile.

[Alaizia]

I don't claim that everything will be peachy in a partitioned Iraq, but it will solve the constant ethno-religious conflict and how one group always has the upper hand in government to oppress the other. It's just how it will be solved because nothing else has worked, or will work in terms of dealing with the sectarian conflict.

Well, maybe that's just something that has to happen. Turkey has held on to lands it has no right to for long enough, it's about time someone fought them. And I would not say that things would necessarily be easy for Turkey either, because guerrilla wars, as we've been learning for the past 50 years, are not a cakewalk.

I second that. Turkey has invaded over its history many nations and ethnic groups and some of them desire their independence. First and foremost the Kurds, who comprise about 18-25% of the total population. Their separatist tendencies are justifiable, with the oppression they have received in mind.

But if the Kurds attempt to claim territory from Iran, I don't see the situation ending well for them.

[Taruda]

Shukee ( ) Begum, who took her five children to Syria to meet her jihadi husband, gives her first interview about life in the so-called Islamic State

"It was worse than I expected. I didn’t expect it to be so overcrowded for them to just lumber so many women and children together just for the sake of them being there, waiting for their husbands, waiting for properties to live in."
http://www.channel4.com/news/uk-mum-who ... ate-speaks

This is situation is comical. The woman should stay there and the UK should never let her ever in the country back.

[Ganos Lao]

It would seem that the Iraqis have taken a new approach to dealing with ISIS:

Shaming their POWs on national TV.

Also, an Iraqi TV host wept bitterly as he talks about the Christians of Iraq, appealing to Iraqi nationalism.

[West Aurelia]

Canada under Trudeau will end its bombing campaign against IS.

[Trumpostan]

Canada under Trudeau will end its bombing campaign against IS.

Canada could use some freedoms, it seems. Someone put them on the list for regime change. Any chance Trudeau has links with Al-Qaeda? /s

Anyway, good on them. No one has ever been conventionally bombed into submission.

[West Aurelia]

One US soldier killed in a Delta Force hostage rescue operation in Iraq. Kurdish special forces attempted a rescue operation after there were indications that 70 IS-held hostages were to be executed, but as they got bogged down in a firefight Delta Force troops were sent in to assist them. All 70 hostages were rescued.

[Port Island]

The partitioning of Middle East was an unnatural process that cultivated the type of organizations like ISIL and the instability that permeates there. Therefore the entire international community will be impacted and I suppose for the world war may seem to be a plausible option.

[Seraven]

One US soldier killed in a Delta Force hostage rescue operation in Iraq. Kurdish special forces attempted a rescue operation after there were indications that 70 IS-held hostages were to be executed, but as they got bogged down in a firefight Delta Force troops were sent in to assist them. All 70 hostages were rescued.

Kurdish special forces? Cobra commandos? Are they part of Peshmerga or newly created division?

[Salus Maior]

One US soldier killed in a Delta Force hostage rescue operation in Iraq. Kurdish special forces attempted a rescue operation after there were indications that 70 IS-held hostages were to be executed, but as they got bogged down in a firefight Delta Force troops were sent in to assist them. All 70 hostages were rescued.

Hope that guy killed plenty of the bastards before going down.

[Ganos Lao]

Obama weighs moving US forces closer to Iraq/Syria borders.

Pentagon considers "deeper" involvement in Iraq.

Tony Blair apologies for "mistakes" pertaining to the Iraq War, but doesn't apologize for deposing Saddam.

[West Aurelia]

Turkey has bombed the YPG twice in Syria after it crossed over to the west of the Euphrates River.

[Ganos Lao]

This is all from a couple or so months ago, but it looks like ISIS has a new enemy.

AIDS.

The AIDS epidemic is running rampant in ISIS ranks according to various sources.

For example, sixteen ISIS fighters were diagnosed with the condition after it was discovered they had unprotected sex with two Morrocan women (who fled to Turkey).

An ISIS militant who knowingly donated blood despite having the disease (and who passed it on to the fifteen year old Yazidi sex slave he raped; she passed it on, in turn, to an Egyptian and two Saudis) to an ISIS run hospital was executed in June. A doctor who blew the whistle on the issue was also executed. An investigation into how far the illness has spread was later shut down when it emerged that a senior ISIS commander had also raped the woman.

A website covering events in Raqqa claims the city is "being slaughtered silently," and that the situation is problematic due to the past two years of turmoil.

[Seraven]

This is all from a couple or so months ago, but it looks like ISIS has a new enemy.

AIDS.

The AIDS epidemic is running rampant in ISIS ranks according to various sources.

For example, sixteen ISIS fighters were diagnosed with the condition after it was discovered they had unprotected sex with two Morrocan women (who fled to Turkey).

An ISIS militant who knowingly donated blood despite having the disease (and who passed it on to the fifteen year old Yazidi sex slave he raped; she passed it on, in turn, to an Egyptian and two Saudis) to an ISIS run hospital was executed in June. A doctor who blew the whistle on the issue was also executed. An investigation into how far the illness has spread was later shut down when it emerged that a senior ISIS commander had also raped the woman.

A website covering events in Raqqa claims the city is "being slaughtered silently," and that the situation is problematic due to the past two years of turmoil.

Karma's a bitch. Right?

[Ganos Lao]

This is all from a couple or so months ago, but it looks like ISIS has a new enemy.

AIDS.

The AIDS epidemic is running rampant in ISIS ranks according to various sources.

For example, sixteen ISIS fighters were diagnosed with the condition after it was discovered they had unprotected sex with two Morrocan women (who fled to Turkey).

An ISIS militant who knowingly donated blood despite having the disease (and who passed it on to the fifteen year old Yazidi sex slave he raped; she passed it on, in turn, to an Egyptian and two Saudis) to an ISIS run hospital was executed in June. A doctor who blew the whistle on the issue was also executed. An investigation into how far the illness has spread was later shut down when it emerged that a senior ISIS commander had also raped the woman.

A website covering events in Raqqa claims the city is "being slaughtered silently," and that the situation is problematic due to the past two years of turmoil.

Karma's a bitch. Right?

Karma's a bitch, and she's pulling no punches.

[Ganos Lao]

Canadian pro-Kurd fighter writes and issues manifesto before he is killed in action.

[Gauthier]

Daeshbags say to Putin, "Come at me Bro".

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Daeshbags say to Putin, "Come at me Bro".

Yes, but whose blood shall spill?

[Gauthier]

Daeshbags say to Putin, "Come at me Bro".

Yes, but whose blood shall spill?

Won't be Putin's.