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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:28 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I doubt it. Michelle Nunn and James Carter got clobbered in 2014.

I'm well aware. A man can dream right?

Meant Jason Carter. Oops. :oops:
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:30 pm

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The Forsworn Knights wrote:McCory is currently considered the most vulnerable Governor up for re-election in the country. His opposition is the District Attorney, who just so happens to be refusing to defend this stupidity in court.

I hope the DA wins in November. Maybe some of that blue will rub off on GA.

Another good step would be to take out Phil Berger and his crew. Those lot are an absolute nightmare.

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Thermodolia wrote:I hope the DA wins in November. Maybe some of that blue will rub off on GA.


*Attorney General, not any of the District Attorneys.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:30 pm

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Think of the women and the children. Unless they're transwomen and children, they aren't peoples.

Oh, clearly not. They are horrible, dangerous monsters... which is why the Pacific Justice Institute had to make up a whole story about a trans teenager harrassing her classmates just so their transphobic nonsense could get any traction. The cherry on top? Their defamation campaign against the trans teenager ended up getting her on suicide watch.


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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:31 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I'm well aware. A man can dream right?

Meant Jason Carter. Oops. :oops:

I knew who ya meant, honestly I didn't even notice that mistake.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:34 pm

Luepola wrote:because 'bathroom rights' concerning lgbt dont matter to me and shouldnt matter at all, im more concerned about the safety of women from men who would otherwise take advantage of 'anti-discrimination' laws to sexually assault them

First of all, there hasn't been a single case, in any of the places where anti-discrimination laws exist, of a man pretending to be a transgender woman so that he could sexually harrass, abuse or assault women in women's restrooms. Not one.

Second of all, anti-discrimination laws don't allow transgender women to sexually harrass, abuse or assault women in women's restrooms. If a man pretending to be a transgender woman entered a women's restrooms and harrassed, abused or assaulted a woman, he would still be committing a crime, and could still be convicted for harrassment, abuse or assault. Allowing trans people to use the restrooms corresponding with their gender has no effect whatsoever on the legality of sexual harrassment, abuse or assault, the capacity of law enforcement to intervene, or the capacity of the judiciary to convict people for said acts.

Third of all, if you force trans men to use women's restrooms, you could be opening the door to cisgender men pretending to be trans men, just so they can enter women's retrooms and sexually harrass, abuse or assault women.

And finally, if you care so much about protecting women from being sexually assaulted by men in public restrooms, why do you support forcing women to use men's restrooms? Why do you support forcing trans women, who already face disproportionate rates of harrassment, abuse and assault, to use men's restrooms, in the company of people of the same gender you suspect would take advantage of legislation enabling them to share public restrooms with women to harrass, abuse or assault said women?

Your argument makes no sense. Your support for this legislation makes no sense.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:35 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I hope the DA wins in November. Maybe some of that blue will rub off on GA.

Another good step would be to take out Phil Berger and his crew. Those lot are an absolute nightmare..


We can hope Phil Berger and company are elected out of office in November too.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:38 pm

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yes all blatant opposition to the nsg mainstream is edgyness and none of it is because they actually disagree with us. theyre all just here for the lulz

r-right guys????



because 'bathroom rights' concerning lgbt dont matter to me and shouldnt matter at all, im more concerned about the safety of women from men who would otherwise take advantage of 'anti-discrimination' laws to sexually assault them

You do realize that more republican representatives have been caught and charged with sexual assault in a bathroom than CIS men acting like a Trans* person.

How dare you bring your filthy facts and statistics to this discussion? How dare you pollute our irrational fear of trans women with stuff from reality?
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Postby The Eurasian Wilderness » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do realize that more republican representatives have been caught and charged with sexual assault in a bathroom than CIS men acting like a Trans* person.

How dare you bring your filthy facts and statistics to this discussion? How dare you pollute our irrational fear of trans women with stuff from reality?

BUT THE ****POSSIBILITY*****

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do realize that more republican representatives have been caught and charged with sexual assault in a bathroom than CIS men acting like a Trans* person.

How dare you bring your filthy facts and statistics to this discussion? How dare you pollute our irrational fear of trans women with stuff from reality?

It's my life's mission to bring facts were they are not wanted.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:41 pm

Liriena wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do realize that more republican representatives have been caught and charged with sexual assault in a bathroom than CIS men acting like a Trans* person.

How dare you bring your filthy facts and statistics to this discussion? How dare you pollute our irrational fear of trans women with stuff from reality?


Rapists are willng to cut off their own junk for easy access to women they can rape with... ummm...
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Postby Luepola » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:42 pm

Liriena wrote:
Luepola wrote:because 'bathroom rights' concerning lgbt dont matter to me and shouldnt matter at all, im more concerned about the safety of women from men who would otherwise take advantage of 'anti-discrimination' laws to sexually assault them

First of all, there hasn't been a single case, in any of the places where anti-discrimination laws exist, of a man pretending to be a transgender woman so that he could sexually harrass, abuse or assault women in women's restrooms. Not one.

Second of all, anti-discrimination laws don't allow transgender women to sexually harrass, abuse or assault women in women's restrooms. If a man pretending to be a transgender woman entered a women's restrooms and harrassed, abused or assaulted a woman, he would still be committing a crime, and could still be convicted for harrassment, abuse or assault. Allowing trans people to use the restrooms corresponding with their gender has no effect whatsoever on the legality of sexual harrassment, abuse or assault, the capacity of law enforcement to intervene, or the capacity of the judiciary to convict people for said acts.

Third of all, if you force trans men to use women's restrooms, you could be opening the door to cisgender men pretending to be trans men, just so they can enter women's retrooms and sexually harrass, abuse or assault women.

And finally, if you care so much about protecting women from being sexually assaulted by men in public restrooms, why do you support forcing women to use men's restrooms? Why do you support forcing trans women, who already face disproportionate rates of harrassment, abuse and assault, to use men's restrooms, in the company of people of the same gender you suspect would take advantage of legislation enabling them to share public restrooms with women to harrass, abuse or assault said women?

Your argument makes no sense. Your support for this legislation makes no sense.


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Postby Kannap » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:43 pm

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Liriena wrote:How dare you bring your filthy facts and statistics to this discussion? How dare you pollute our irrational fear of trans women with stuff from reality?

BUT THE ****POSSIBILITY*****


Lots of things are possibilities, doesn't mean they're going to happen.

It's possible I could go to town and buy a gun tomorrow, it's not going to happen because I hate guns.

It's possible the sun can crash into the Earth tomorrow, what astronomy tells me about orbital patterns leads me to be sure that's not going to happen.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:43 pm

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Liriena wrote:How dare you bring your filthy facts and statistics to this discussion? How dare you pollute our irrational fear of trans women with stuff from reality?


Rapists are willng to cut off their own junk for easy access to women they can rape with... ummm...

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Postby Kannap » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:44 pm

Luepola wrote:
Liriena wrote:First of all, there hasn't been a single case, in any of the places where anti-discrimination laws exist, of a man pretending to be a transgender woman so that he could sexually harrass, abuse or assault women in women's restrooms. Not one.

Second of all, anti-discrimination laws don't allow transgender women to sexually harrass, abuse or assault women in women's restrooms. If a man pretending to be a transgender woman entered a women's restrooms and harrassed, abused or assaulted a woman, he would still be committing a crime, and could still be convicted for harrassment, abuse or assault. Allowing trans people to use the restrooms corresponding with their gender has no effect whatsoever on the legality of sexual harrassment, abuse or assault, the capacity of law enforcement to intervene, or the capacity of the judiciary to convict people for said acts.

Third of all, if you force trans men to use women's restrooms, you could be opening the door to cisgender men pretending to be trans men, just so they can enter women's retrooms and sexually harrass, abuse or assault women.

And finally, if you care so much about protecting women from being sexually assaulted by men in public restrooms, why do you support forcing women to use men's restrooms? Why do you support forcing trans women, who already face disproportionate rates of harrassment, abuse and assault, to use men's restrooms, in the company of people of the same gender you suspect would take advantage of legislation enabling them to share public restrooms with women to harrass, abuse or assault said women?

Your argument makes no sense. Your support for this legislation makes no sense.


i don't support the lgbt movement


And why not? Surely you have a super important mega awesome reason that you aren't telling us. Give us the juicy details, darling
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:46 pm

Something almost identical to this bill just passed in Mississippi.

The South. The South never changes.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:46 pm

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i don't support the lgbt movement


And why not? Surely you have a super important mega awesome reason that you aren't telling us. Give us the juicy details, darling

I'm guessing it's something along the lines of Jebus said so or my god trumps your rights.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:47 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:Something almost identical to this bill just passed in Mississippi.

The South. The South never changes.

While the bill in GA did pass the General Assembly, the governor did veto it. Granted GA is more of an anomaly.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:48 pm

Luepola wrote:i don't support the lgbt movement


You don't have to support it. You don't have to want it sabotaged, either.

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Postby Holy Marsh » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:48 pm

Luepola, at least don't change your reasoning. First you claim you are worried about protecting women and children(not men though, they're never raped!) from evil trans people who want to do all of the raping ever in the bathrooms. Then when it is brought up that it has never happened and is a bad basis for a decision you just say you don't support the movement. So which is it?
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Postby Kannap » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:48 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:Something almost identical to this bill just passed in Mississippi.

The South. The South never changes.


Except in Mississippi, it's entirely expected. In North Carolina it is slightly surprising.
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Postby The Forsworn Knights » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:48 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:Something almost identical to this bill just passed in Mississippi.

The South. The South never changes.

North Carolina is that weird state in the middle that doesn't fit in either, but leans to the south.

Also, our government is corrupt as feck.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:50 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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And why not? Surely you have a super important mega awesome reason that you aren't telling us. Give us the juicy details, darling

I'm guessing it's something along the lines of Jebus said so or my god trumps your rights.


As a Christian, I don't understand the fools who think they are given the right by God to judge and be hateful.

But then again, the same fools would be like the 15 year old kid a few months ago who tried arguing with me about the validity of the PC(USA) as a denomination because of our liberal leanings.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:50 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:Something almost identical to this bill just passed in Mississippi.

The South. The South never changes.

Unless you're the Governor of Georgia and bought out by the big corporations who literally threaten the jobs of your constituents.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:51 pm

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Eastern Equestria wrote:Something almost identical to this bill just passed in Mississippi.

The South. The South never changes.

North Carolina is that weird state in the middle that doesn't fit in either, but leans to the south.

Also, our government is corrupt as feck.

I'm not so sure about. Here in GA the special prosecutor assigned to prosecute corruption within the government by the current governor got fired for investigating the said governor's campaign funds. Not to mention the APS test scandal
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:52 pm

Luepola wrote:i don't support the lgbt movement

I don't give a cuss if you don't support LGBT+ rights. You are supporting a nonsensical law, based on nonsensical beliefs, which could hurt an awful lot of people, many of whom already have to put up with disproportionate rates of harrassment, abuse and assault. To support this nonsensical legislation you have to either be ignorant, irresponsible, cynical or malicious. So, which is it? Lack of understanding, lack of care, or bad faith? Why are you supporting legislation that makes the lives of innocent people, who already have it pretty darn hard, even more difficult? Why are you buying into an argument that makes no sense? Why are you endorsing fearmongering with no basis on reality? Just because you "don't support the lgbt movement"? It sounds to me like you aren't just unsupportive, but actively hostile.
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