North Carolina Passes "Anti-LGBT" Bill

[Linux and the X]

His Word is the truth.

In that case, Matt. 19:12.

[Traditionalism]

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

if you want to get a bigger taste of this guy's worldview, sign up for tumblr, reddit, 4chan, people like him have been exploding everywhere. Tradneets seem to be in season at the moment.

If you'd like a bigger taste of my worldview, read Revolt Against the Modern World, Ride the Tiger, Men Amongst the Ruins, Fascism Viewed from the Right, The way of Men.

[Grenartia]

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

Jealousy of people with bigger egos who don't even think they should have one?

Wiggity wiggity what?

[Traditionalism]

>1. If facts and reality threaten your worldview, maybe you should change your worldview.

1. Facts of the modern world don't mean anything to me. I'm never going to change my worldview, I've seen the truth.

>2. I'm going to put this bluntly. The truth doesn't give a single fucking shit about tradition.

2. Traditionalism is the pursuit of the truth of the cosmic Order, which means God. God is the truth. Traditionalism is pursuing his truth. Yes, it does.

>3. So, its bad because it threatens your "traditions", which is bad because it threatens your worldview, which is bad because it threatens your "traditions". Circular logic.

3. Okay, this doesn't change anything.

>4. But you're objectively not fighting for truth.

4. Yes, I am. God is the truth, and his order. I'm fighting to reflect his order and his truth.

1. I've seen the truth, and it is certainly not what you've seen.

2. No, its not the pursuit of anything but misplaced nostalgia.

3. Circular logic is a logical fallacy.

4. What if I told you that you were unwittingly fighting against it?[/quote]

>4. What if I told you that you were unwittingly fighting against it?

This isn't surprising. We clearly have different perspectives on the truth. "What if I told you we disagreed on things"

>3. Circular logic is a logical fallacy.

Logic doesn't matter to the spiritual realm. I don't care.

[Traditionalism]

His Word is the truth.

In that case, Matt. 19:12.

This means nothing to me. I'm not denying their existence.

[Luepola]

emphasis on no breaks

Still, three years is hardly impressive. I've spent more time CTE'd and actively playing than you've existed.

and this is relevant how

meaning that im no summertime NSer

You still are, though.

except im not and ive been on the site all winter as i specified in the post (which was the entire point of it btw), thereby separating me from the 'summetime NSers'

i dont even know why the fuck im even arguing this but then again, this is nsg after all

8/8

I would really suggest picking a different scale there.

thanks but no thanks

son ive been here for 3 years no breaks

Try 6 years, no breaks, pleb.

yes mister six year master race

i shall kiss thine feet now

[Liriena]

You're not describing Traditionalism. You're describing cultural traditions. There is a difference.

You began speaking in terms of "traditional values". You never specified which values, so you left the door wide open for me to acknowledge traditional values that contradict yours.

Because their ideas spread and become accepted. Therefore they are harmful. They are against my beliefs. And they spread. So it's harmful because it violates the truth.

That doesn't answer my question. You are running around in circles, throwing empty claims around.

Again:

That makes no sense. Disregarding this alleged "truth" (What truth is that, exactly? Certainly not scientific truth, or anything like it, since the consensus seems to be strongly against you on trans people) that is harmed by trans people's "micro culture" (whatever that is), how can your values be hurt by a complete stranger, living countless miles away, not abiding by them? And what about groups with traditional beliefs of their own, different from yours? Do their different beliefs hurt yours too?

I don't feel my own pantheist beliefs are "hurt" by someone on the other side of town being a Sunni muslim. I don't feel my support for my fellow LGBT+ people is "hurt" by the religious freedoms given to the evangelist community a couple of blocks away. So... what's the deal with your beliefs? Why are they so oversensitive they can't function properly, they can't possibly survive, unless you are forcing everyone around you to accept them?

Your oversimplification of my views leads me to believe that you're willingly ignoring what I'm saying. I'm telling you that this is the truth to me, and that because it's the truth I have the conviction to fight for it to see it realized.

I'm not at all ignoring what you are saying. I am merely trying to get you to elaborate on the underlying logic to what you are saying. It's not that I'm "oversimplifying" your views. It's that you yourself are presenting those views in an extremely simplistic and vacuous fashion. You've merely asserted your basic beliefs, but haven't provided anything of substance to them.

[Traditionalism]

I'm going to bed.

[Grenartia]

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

Honestly, I think there's some viewpoints that you can't really debate with, because there is no shared basis for the debate. You can't really have a debate on LGBT+ rights with someone who, for instance, is rabidly homophobic, doesn't believe in even the most basic human rights, rejects the most fundamental principles of how arguments are proven true or false, and refuses to accept even the most perfunctory semblance of morality.

That's the beauty of it. By asking probing questions, instead of the typical dancing around the usual arguments like what would have happened, I got deeper to the heart of the issue. All opinions are based on some sort of fact, some sort of logic. In essence, there is almost always some sort of common ground. Such is the nature of the human experience.

[Liriena]

Julius Evola

Ewwwwww

Also... how old are you?

[The Eurasian Wilderness]

if you want to get a bigger taste of this guy's worldview, sign up for tumblr, reddit, 4chan, people like him have been exploding everywhere. Tradneets seem to be in season at the moment.

If you'd like a bigger taste of my worldview, read Revolt Against the Modern World, Ride the Tiger, Men Amongst the Ruins, Fascism Viewed from the Right, The way of Men.

Add these books while you're at it.

[Traditionalism]

Julius Evola

Ewwwwww

Also... how old are you?

I'm 22 and going to bed.

[Linux and the X]

In that case, Matt. 19:12.

This means nothing to me. I'm not denying their existence.

It says to accept trans people, not just admit we exist.

I'm going to bed.

Good for you. When you wake up, please remember that your horrible bigot character belongs in RP, not NSG.

[District XIV]

emphasis on no breaks

Still, three years is hardly impressive. I've spent more time CTE'd and actively playing than you've existed.

meaning that im no summertime NSer

You still are, though.

This is quite literally the definition of ad hominem, lol. Why the fuck does any of this matter, even if it were true or relevant?

[Traditionalism]

You're not describing Traditionalism. You're describing cultural traditions. There is a difference.

You began speaking in terms of "traditional values". You never specified which values, so you left the door wide open for me to acknowledge traditional values that contradict yours.

Because their ideas spread and become accepted. Therefore they are harmful. They are against my beliefs. And they spread. So it's harmful because it violates the truth.

That doesn't answer my question. You are running around in circles, throwing empty claims around.

Again:

That makes no sense. Disregarding this alleged "truth" (What truth is that, exactly? Certainly not scientific truth, or anything like it, since the consensus seems to be strongly against you on trans people) that is harmed by trans people's "micro culture" (whatever that is), how can your values be hurt by a complete stranger, living countless miles away, not abiding by them? And what about groups with traditional beliefs of their own, different from yours? Do their different beliefs hurt yours too?

I don't feel my own pantheist beliefs are "hurt" by someone on the other side of town being a Sunni muslim. I don't feel my support for my fellow LGBT+ people is "hurt" by the religious freedoms given to the evangelist community a couple of blocks away. So... what's the deal with your beliefs? Why are they so oversensitive they can't function properly, they can't possibly survive, unless you are forcing everyone around you to accept them?

Your oversimplification of my views leads me to believe that you're willingly ignoring what I'm saying. I'm telling you that this is the truth to me, and that because it's the truth I have the conviction to fight for it to see it realized.

I'm not at all ignoring what you are saying. I am merely trying to get you to elaborate on the underlying logic to what you are saying. It's not that I'm "oversimplifying" your views. It's that you yourself are presenting those views in an extremely simplistic and vacuous fashion. You've merely asserted your basic beliefs, but haven't provided anything of substance to them.

I am going to bed.

I will put it as simply as I possibly can.

If I tolerate behavior which acts against my values and beliefs, then I am denying what I believe in to be the ultimate truth.

I am going to bed.

[Liriena]

Honestly, I think there's some viewpoints that you can't really debate with, because there is no shared basis for the debate. You can't really have a debate on LGBT+ rights with someone who, for instance, is rabidly homophobic, doesn't believe in even the most basic human rights, rejects the most fundamental principles of how arguments are proven true or false, and refuses to accept even the most perfunctory semblance of morality.

That's the beauty of it. By asking probing questions, instead of the typical dancing around the usual arguments like what would have happened, I got deeper to the heart of the issue. All opinions are based on some sort of fact, some sort of logic. In essence, there is almost always some sort of common ground. Such is the nature of the human experience.

I don't know. Remember Valcouria? Yeah, we all got quite the glance into his worldview and logic, but there was no way you could have an actual argument with him, because of how far removed from even his own faith's moral code he was.

[Thermodolia]

You began speaking in terms of "traditional values". You never specified which values, so you left the door wide open for me to acknowledge traditional values that contradict yours.


That doesn't answer my question. You are running around in circles, throwing empty claims around.

Again:

That makes no sense. Disregarding this alleged "truth" (What truth is that, exactly? Certainly not scientific truth, or anything like it, since the consensus seems to be strongly against you on trans people) that is harmed by trans people's "micro culture" (whatever that is), how can your values be hurt by a complete stranger, living countless miles away, not abiding by them? And what about groups with traditional beliefs of their own, different from yours? Do their different beliefs hurt yours too?

I don't feel my own pantheist beliefs are "hurt" by someone on the other side of town being a Sunni muslim. I don't feel my support for my fellow LGBT+ people is "hurt" by the religious freedoms given to the evangelist community a couple of blocks away. So... what's the deal with your beliefs? Why are they so oversensitive they can't function properly, they can't possibly survive, unless you are forcing everyone around you to accept them?

I'm not at all ignoring what you are saying. I am merely trying to get you to elaborate on the underlying logic to what you are saying. It's not that I'm "oversimplifying" your views. It's that you yourself are presenting those views in an extremely simplistic and vacuous fashion. You've merely asserted your basic beliefs, but haven't provided anything of substance to them.

I am going to bed.

I will put it as simply as I possibly can.

If I tolerate behavior which acts against my values and beliefs, then I am denying what I believe in to be the ultimate truth.

I am going to bed.

Nice cop out

[Kannap]

So PayPal decided to pull back on created 400 jobs in Charlotte

There are a few state Republicans who supported HB2 who use PayPal to allow people to donate to their campaigns. Totally hoping PayPal can delete their accounts. Many of the Republicans who supported HB2 have declared they'll stop using PayPal.

“Dear PayPal: I am closing my account with your company due to your desire to discriminate against women and children,” Rep. Michael Speciale, a New Bern Republican, posted on Facebook Tuesday. “You are an embarrassment to the business community, and I hope you lose enough business to cause you to realize your bigoted stance.”

I find it incredibly funny that the bigoted Michael Speciale who supported HB2 and made discrimination legal against LGBT people and disallowed trans people to use their appropriate bathrooms is now calling PayPal bigoted for "discriminating against women and children."

Every news article that gets published regarding this is just another article full of the bullshit that is being spewed heavily from state Republican's mouths.

[Linux and the X]

[quote="Traditionalism";p="28286384"I] am going to bed.[/quote]
So you just said. And said five minutes ago.

[Grenartia]

1. Logic and facts back one of us up. Not you.

2. Except, its not.

3. So, you're saying you're primarily concerned with the spiritual health of humanity? Then why are you for things which blatantly degrade the human spirit, instead of uplifting it?

4. Again, its not. No rational, loving, merciful God would declare it so.

5. How do you know that which you are standing up for is really God, instead of Satan?

>2. Except, its not.

1. yep. it is.


>So, you're saying you're primarily concerned with the spiritual health of humanity? Then why are you for things which blatantly degrade the human spirit, instead of uplifting it?

2. The spiritual health of humanity is dependent on how much sin we tolerate in our lives and culture. I am for things which limit the amount of sin that permeates in the culture in order to limit the human's spirit separation from God.

>5. How do you know that which you are standing up for is really God, instead of Satan?

3. Because I am not rebelling against God's order. I'm part of it and fighting for it.


>4. Again, its not. No rational, loving, merciful God would declare it so.

4. God is loving, and merciful, and he does not indulge in mortal rationality, he's not a Greek philosopher.

5. He declares the truth from what is false. His Word is the truth. His interest is to keep us from Sin. Therefore he tells us to stay away these things from love, so that we may not find ourselves trapped in sin.

1. In no way, shape, or form.

2. Sin, for the most part, is just an invention of the old religious establishment, to maintain power over the people.

3. But you're not. You're fighting against it. God is for maximal human happiness and freedom, not subjugation and oppression.

4. Arguably, God MUST be rational, since things have a rational cause and effect.

[Grenartia]

>implying the majority of Reddit and Tumblr maintain this opinion of Transgender people

Looks like you've never ventured beyond NS much.

Tumblr has actually been my main internet hangout for the past few months. The tradnat community has gotten pretty big lately, they've been a bit more pervasive (read: obnoxious and begging for attention) too.

What's a tradnat?

[Gauthier]

So PayPal decided to pull back on created 400 jobs in Charlotte

There are a few state Republicans who supported HB2 who use PayPal to allow people to donate to their campaigns. Totally hoping PayPal can delete their accounts. Many of the Republicans who supported HB2 have declared they'll stop using PayPal.

“Dear PayPal: I am closing my account with your company due to your desire to discriminate against women and children,” Rep. Michael Speciale, a New Bern Republican, posted on Facebook Tuesday. “You are an embarrassment to the business community, and I hope you lose enough business to cause you to realize your bigoted stance.”

I find it incredibly funny that the bigoted Michael Speciale who supported HB2 and made discrimination legal against LGBT people and disallowed trans people to use their appropriate bathrooms is now calling PayPal bigoted for "discriminating against women and children."

Every news article that gets published regarding this is just another article full of the bullshit that is being spewed heavily from state Republican's mouths.

New fad with bigots: Claim to be the ones fighting bigotry.

[Linux and the X]

Tumblr has actually been my main internet hangout for the past few months. The tradnat community has gotten pretty big lately, they've been a bit more pervasive (read: obnoxious and begging for attention) too.

What's a tradnat?

Traditionalist-Nationalist, IIRC.

[Thermodolia]

Tumblr has actually been my main internet hangout for the past few months. The tradnat community has gotten pretty big lately, they've been a bit more pervasive (read: obnoxious and begging for attention) too.

What's a tradnat?

An awful person

[Grenartia]

4. Yes, I am. God is the truth, and his order. I'm fighting to reflect his order and his truth.

1. I've seen the truth, and it is certainly not what you've seen.

2. No, its not the pursuit of anything but misplaced nostalgia.

3. Circular logic is a logical fallacy.

4. What if I told you that you were unwittingly fighting against it?

>4. What if I told you that you were unwittingly fighting against it?

1. This isn't surprising. We clearly have different perspectives on the truth. "What if I told you we disagreed on things"

>3. Circular logic is a logical fallacy.

2. Logic doesn't matter to the spiritual realm. I don't care.[/quote]

1. Indeed.

2. Except, it does. You can't have anything in the spiritual realm without ideas or concepts. You cannot have ideas or concepts without logic.