North Carolina Passes "Anti-LGBT" Bill

[Geilinor]

What do you mean by "encourages them"?

If it doesn't oppress them, if it's not working against them, and allows it to spread, then it encourages them.

Are you defending oppression?

[Gauthier]

It is pretty obvious that Traditionalism is posting at this point just to get a rise out of people. Why give him the privilege? Let people like him stroke their egos over this. They are isolated victories that will stand out as special cases in the sands of time.Those views are literally dying off and will be overturned and left where they belong, in the history books.

Ego envy.

[Traditionalism]

>Of course they are innocent. They haven't actually hurt anyone. The only thing they appear to hurt, from your perspective, are your incredibly thin-skinned personal values.

Physical harm isn't the only condition necessary for 'hurting'

1. Their active ideology is harmful towards my traditional views and traditionalism in general. 2. In the long run, their micro culture harms the truth because it is anti-traditional and 3. works against my beliefs, therefore it is harmful.


>You are actively and knowingly supporting legislation that hurts others and puts them at serious risk. That's malice right there. It's the only possibility left, because you can't plead ignorance on this matter, and deliberately trying to make the lives of countless innocent strangers more difficult o.ut of spite towards some vague threat you feel they represent to your own personal values cannot possibly be construed as well-meaning

4. I never said I had well-meaning intentions towards this group of people, because I don't. However, I disagree that it is malice. To me, I'm fighting for truth.

1. If facts and reality threaten your worldview, maybe you should change your worldview.

2. I'm going to put this bluntly. The truth doesn't give a single fucking shit about tradition.

3. So, its bad because it threatens your "traditions", which is bad because it threatens your worldview, which is bad because it threatens your "traditions". Circular logic.

4. But you're objectively not fighting for truth.

>1. If facts and reality threaten your worldview, maybe you should change your worldview.

Facts of the modern world don't mean anything to me. I'm never going to change my worldview, I've seen the truth.

>2. I'm going to put this bluntly. The truth doesn't give a single fucking shit about tradition.

Traditionalism is the pursuit of the truth of the cosmic Order, which means God. God is the truth. Traditionalism is pursuing his truth. Yes, it does.

>3. So, its bad because it threatens your "traditions", which is bad because it threatens your worldview, which is bad because it threatens your "traditions". Circular logic.

Okay, this doesn't change anything.

>4. But you're objectively not fighting for truth.[/quote]

Yes, I am. God is the truth, and his order. I'm fighting to reflect his order and his truth.

[Traditionalism]

If it doesn't oppress them, if it's not working against them, and allows it to spread, then it encourages them.

Are you defending oppression?

Absolutely.

[The Eurasian Wilderness]

It's a shitty bill made to cater to people's hysterical transphobia.

Facts of the modern world don't mean anything to me. I'm never going to change my worldview, I've seen the truth.

This is some next level redpill right here.

[Liriena]

Physical harm isn't the only condition necessary for 'hurting'

True. Trans people also have to suffer the psychological harm of the harrassment, abuse and assault they face... all of which you apparently don't give a cuss about. Because that's what being a moral person is all about: not caring when your actions may ruin the life of an innocent.

Their active ideology is harmful towards my traditional views and traditionalism in general.

Traditional Indian culture says: "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?"

Oh, yeah, I should have mentioned this from the start: Your "traditional views" and "traditionalism"? They are your own, not universal. An awful lot of cultures throughout the world have accepted trans and non-binary people. Starting with India's hijras.

In the long run, their micro culture harms the truth because it is anti-traditional and works against my beliefs, therefore it is harmful.

That makes no sense. Disregarding this alleged "truth" (What truth is that, exactly? Certainly not scientific truth, or anything like it, since the consensus seems to be strongly against you on trans people) that is harmed by trans people's "micro culture" (whatever that is), how can your values be hurt by a complete stranger, living countless miles away, not abiding by them? And what about groups with traditional beliefs of their own, different from yours? Do their different beliefs hurt yours too?

I don't feel my own pantheist beliefs are "hurt" by someone on the other side of town being a Sunni muslim. I don't feel my support for my fellow LGBT+ people is "hurt" by the religious freedoms given to the evangelist community a couple of blocks away. So... what's the deal with your beliefs? Why are they so oversensitive they can't function properly, they can't possibly survive, unless you are forcing everyone around you to accept them?

I never said I had well-meaning intentions towards this group of people, because I don't.

Ergo, you are being malicious.

However, I disagree that it is malice.

I'm sorry, but you don't get to redefine what malice is, and your intentions behind your support for this legislation clearly falls within the definition of malice. You are acting in bad faith.

To me, I'm fighting for truth.

What truth? Some shoddy biological essentialism that has no basis in actual science?

[Liriena]

If it doesn't oppress them, if it's not working against them, and allows it to spread, then it encourages them.

Your posts encourage me to transgend harder.

Heck, it encourages me to trans my cis self up a little.

[Luepola]

I’m proud that i helped elect the men who passed this bill

You're early, summer. It's not even May yet.

son ive been here for 3 years no breaks. not a summertime NSer fam

edited since the point of this poast apparently flew a mile above everyone's heads here

[Grenartia]

1. It cannot be immoral if it causes no harm.

2. And? So? Why is this a bad thing?

3. I told you not to go down that road. No, God has no problem with LGBT people on any level, I can assure you.

4. Again, not seeing the inherent problem with that.

5. Still not seeing a problem.

6. "Day 107: Still no signs of any problems."

7. Can you prove this? Also, I can already tell you it doesn't. Two dudes making out hasn't thrown the planets out of orbit yet, and it never will.

8. So it seems.

9. And what "truth" is that? How do we "go against God"? And before you say anything, full and fair warning: I can and will refute anything and everything you say, and everything you cite.

>1. It cannot be immoral if it causes no harm.

1. Clearly we have different definitions of morals.

>2. And? So? Why is this a bad thing?

Traditionalism is the pursuit of the metaphysical truth of the cosmic order and the universe. If it's adverse to the truth, then it's wrong, and it contributes to the destruction and degradation of the human spirit and as a result the physical world.


>3. I told you not to go down that road. No, God has no problem with LGBT people on any level, I can assure you.

2. Homosexuality is a sin. It can't be encouraged.

>5. Still not seeing a problem.

3. Materialism is anti-traditionalist. It's the basis of the degeneracy of the modern world and separates humanity from our spirit.

>7. Can you prove this?

4. Homosexuality is a sin, thus it works counter to the cosmic order.


>9. And what "truth" is that? How do we "go against God"? And before you say anything, full and fair warning: I can and will refute anything and everything you say, and everything you cite

5. Because you are encouraging a culture which is totally against God and His order.

1. Logic and facts back one of us up. Not you.

2. Except, its not.

3. So, you're saying you're primarily concerned with the spiritual health of humanity? Then why are you for things which blatantly degrade the human spirit, instead of uplifting it?

4. Again, its not. No rational, loving, merciful God would declare it so.

5. How do you know that which you are standing up for is really God, instead of Satan?

[Linux and the X]

ive been here for 3 years

Ooh, three whole years, how truly impressive. I didn't even realise NS existed three years ago; you're ancient!

[Grenartia]

It is pretty obvious that Traditionalism is posting at this point just to get a rise out of people. Why give him the privilege? Let people like him stroke their egos over this. They are isolated victories that will stand out as special cases in the sands of time.Those views are literally dying off and will be overturned and left where they belong, in the history books.

Ego envy.

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

[Liriena]

ive been here for 3 years

Ooh, three whole years, how truly impressive. I didn't even realise NS existed three years ago; you're ancient!

Now, now, no need to be petty. Keep your best snark for their arguments.

[Traditionalism]

Physical harm isn't the only condition necessary for 'hurting'

True. Trans people also have to suffer the psychological harm of the harrassment, abuse and assault they face... all of which you apparently don't give a cuss about. Because that's what being a moral person is all about: not caring when your actions may ruin the life of an innocent.

Okay.

Their active ideology is harmful towards my traditional views and traditionalism in general.

Traditional Indian culture says: "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?"

Oh, yeah, I should have mentioned this from the start: Your "traditional views" and "traditionalism"? They are your own, not universal. An awful lot of cultures throughout the world have accepted trans and non-binary people. Starting with India's hijras.

You're not describing Traditionalism. You're describing cultural traditions. There is a difference.

In the long run, their micro culture harms the truth because it is anti-traditional and works against my beliefs, therefore it is harmful.

That makes no sense. Disregarding this alleged "truth" (What truth is that, exactly? Certainly not scientific truth, or anything like it, since the consensus seems to be strongly against you on trans people) that is harmed by trans people's "micro culture" (whatever that is), how can your values be hurt by a complete stranger, living countless miles away, not abiding by them? And what about groups with traditional beliefs of their own, different from yours? Do their different beliefs hurt yours too?

I don't feel my own pantheist beliefs are "hurt" by someone on the other side of town being a Sunni muslim. I don't feel my support for my fellow LGBT+ people is "hurt" by the religious freedoms given to the evangelist community a couple of blocks away. So... what's the deal with your beliefs? Why are they so oversensitive they can't function properly, they can't possibly survive, unless you are forcing everyone around you to accept them?

Because their ideas spread and become accepted. Therefore they are harmful. They are against my beliefs. And they spread. So it's harmful because it violates the truth.

Your oversimplification of my views leads me to believe that you're willingly ignoring what I'm saying. I'm telling you that this is the truth to me, and that because it's the truth I have the conviction to fight for it to see it realized.

I never said I had well-meaning intentions towards this group of people, because I don't.

Ergo, you are being malicious.
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However, I disagree that it is malice.

I'm sorry, but you don't get to redefine what malice is, and your intentions behind your support for this legislation clearly falls within the definition of malice. You are acting in bad faith.

To me, I'm fighting for truth.

What truth? Some shoddy biological essentialism that has no basis in actual science?

My truth is purely metaphysical.

If you want to know what Traditionalism is, you should do research on Julius Evola.

[Luepola]

ive been here for 3 years

Ooh, three whole years, how truly impressive. I didn't even realise NS existed three years ago; you're ancient!

emphasis on no breaks

meaning that im no summertime NSer

nice job 180ing the context of my post 8/8 m8

[The Eurasian Wilderness]

Ego envy.

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

if you want to get a bigger taste of this guy's worldview, sign up for tumblr, reddit, 4chan, people like him have been exploding everywhere. Tradneets seem to be in season at the moment.

[Kannap]

Well, I'm glad for North Carolina. I hope to see more of this in the future.

Most North Carolinians aren't glad for North Carolina right now, we are hoping this gets reversed soon.

[District XIV]

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

if you want to get a bigger taste of this guy's worldview, sign up for tumblr, reddit, 4chan, people like him have been exploding everywhere. Tradneets seem to be in season at the moment.

>implying the majority of Reddit and Tumblr maintain this opinion of Transgender people

Looks like you've never ventured beyond NS much.

[Grenartia]

1. If facts and reality threaten your worldview, maybe you should change your worldview.

2. I'm going to put this bluntly. The truth doesn't give a single fucking shit about tradition.

3. So, its bad because it threatens your "traditions", which is bad because it threatens your worldview, which is bad because it threatens your "traditions". Circular logic.

4. But you're objectively not fighting for truth.

>1. If facts and reality threaten your worldview, maybe you should change your worldview.

1. Facts of the modern world don't mean anything to me. I'm never going to change my worldview, I've seen the truth.

>2. I'm going to put this bluntly. The truth doesn't give a single fucking shit about tradition.

2. Traditionalism is the pursuit of the truth of the cosmic Order, which means God. God is the truth. Traditionalism is pursuing his truth. Yes, it does.

>3. So, its bad because it threatens your "traditions", which is bad because it threatens your worldview, which is bad because it threatens your "traditions". Circular logic.

3. Okay, this doesn't change anything.

>4. But you're objectively not fighting for truth.

4. Yes, I am. God is the truth, and his order. I'm fighting to reflect his order and his truth.[/quote]

1. I've seen the truth, and it is certainly not what you've seen.

2. No, its not the pursuit of anything but misplaced nostalgia.

3. Circular logic is a logical fallacy.

4. What if I told you that you were unwittingly fighting against it?

[Linux and the X]

emphasis on no breaks

Still, three years is hardly impressive. I've spent more time CTE'd and actively playing than you've existed.

meaning that im no summertime NSer

You still are, though.

8/8

I would really suggest picking a different scale there.

[Gauthier]

Ego envy.

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

Jealousy of people with bigger egos who don't even think they should have one?

[Luepola]

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

if you want to get a bigger taste of this guy's worldview, sign up for tumblr, reddit, 4chan, people like him have been exploding everywhere. Tradneets seem to be in season at the moment.

just 4chan (and arguably /r/The_Donald)

tumblr and mainstream reddit are anything but what this glorious man aligns with

[Liriena]

Ego envy.

Actually, I'm mostly genuinely intrigued. This is a new experience for me, I at least want to explore this viewpoint as much as I can, so I can better prepare myself to deal with future instances of it.

Honestly, I think there's some viewpoints that you can't really debate with, because there is no shared basis for the debate. You can't really have a debate on LGBT+ rights with someone who, for instance, is rabidly homophobic, doesn't believe in even the most basic human rights, rejects the most fundamental principles of how arguments are proven true or false, and refuses to accept even the most perfunctory semblance of morality.

[Traditionalism]

>1. It cannot be immoral if it causes no harm.

1. Clearly we have different definitions of morals.

>2. And? So? Why is this a bad thing?

Traditionalism is the pursuit of the metaphysical truth of the cosmic order and the universe. If it's adverse to the truth, then it's wrong, and it contributes to the destruction and degradation of the human spirit and as a result the physical world.


>3. I told you not to go down that road. No, God has no problem with LGBT people on any level, I can assure you.

2. Homosexuality is a sin. It can't be encouraged.

>5. Still not seeing a problem.

3. Materialism is anti-traditionalist. It's the basis of the degeneracy of the modern world and separates humanity from our spirit.

>7. Can you prove this?

4. Homosexuality is a sin, thus it works counter to the cosmic order.


>9. And what "truth" is that? How do we "go against God"? And before you say anything, full and fair warning: I can and will refute anything and everything you say, and everything you cite

5. Because you are encouraging a culture which is totally against God and His order.

1. Logic and facts back one of us up. Not you.

2. Except, its not.

3. So, you're saying you're primarily concerned with the spiritual health of humanity? Then why are you for things which blatantly degrade the human spirit, instead of uplifting it?

4. Again, its not. No rational, loving, merciful God would declare it so.

5. How do you know that which you are standing up for is really God, instead of Satan?

>2. Except, its not.

yep. it is.


>So, you're saying you're primarily concerned with the spiritual health of humanity? Then why are you for things which blatantly degrade the human spirit, instead of uplifting it?

The spiritual health of humanity is dependent on how much sin we tolerate in our lives and culture. I am for things which limit the amount of sin that permeates in the culture in order to limit the human's spirit separation from God.

>5. How do you know that which you are standing up for is really God, instead of Satan?

Because I am not rebelling against God's order. I'm part of it and fighting for it.


>4. Again, its not. No rational, loving, merciful God would declare it so.

God is loving, and merciful, and he does not indulge in mortal rationality, he's not a Greek philosopher.

He declares the truth from what is false. His Word is the truth. His interest is to keep us from Sin. Therefore he tells us to stay away these things from love, so that we may not find ourselves trapped in sin.

[The Eurasian Wilderness]

if you want to get a bigger taste of this guy's worldview, sign up for tumblr, reddit, 4chan, people like him have been exploding everywhere. Tradneets seem to be in season at the moment.

>implying the majority of Reddit and Tumblr maintain this opinion of Transgender people

Looks like you've never ventured beyond NS much.

Tumblr has actually been my main internet hangout for the past few months. The tradnat community has gotten pretty big lately, they've been a bit more pervasive (read: obnoxious and begging for attention) too.

[Grenartia]

You're early, summer. It's not even May yet.

son ive been here for 3 years no breaks

Try 6 years, no breaks, pleb.