North Carolina Passes "Anti-LGBT" Bill

[Traditionalism]

Well, I'm glad for North Carolina. I hope to see more of this in the future.

Why? What exactly does this bill accomplish? What problems does it solve, and is it the most efficient, least harmful solution possible to said problems? Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

>What problems does it solve

It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

The second part.

[Thermodolia]

Why do you support this pro-discrimination, pro-rape, pro-murder bill?

It's a shit bill, but how is it Pro Murder and Rape?

It's possible that some trans* people could get killed for being in the restroom of their biological birth gender.

[Liriena]

Why do you support this pro-discrimination, pro-rape, pro-murder bill?

It's a shit bill, but how is it Pro Murder and Rape?

Trans people face disproportionate rates of violence, even when they are not being forcibly outed to complete strangers in public restrooms by legislation that bans them from using the restroom corresponding with their gender. This sort of legislation, and the campaigning in support of it, only adds fuel to the fire.

[Grenartia]

Why do you support this pro-discrimination, pro-rape, pro-murder bill?

It's a shit bill, but how is it Pro Murder and Rape?

Because, as I've already pointed out in previous posts, it forces transgender people into the worst possible bathrooms. These bills are enacted to supposedly prevent "men dressed as women" from "raping/peeping/etc." on women (of which, literally NO instances have ever been reported). But this bill does nothing to protect the women most at risk of being assaulted by men in a bathroom: transwomen. In fact, it forces the state to go out of its way to make transwomen use the bathroom they're most likely to be assaulted in: the men's room.

[Traditionalism]

Well, because I support the bill, of course. Why else?

Why do you support this pro-discrimination, pro-rape, pro-murder bill?

Because you've described it's attitude towards a population I'm opposed to.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Well, I'm glad for North Carolina. I hope to see more of this in the future.

We aren't. So far this law is in track to cost the state billions in legal fees and lost business alone.

[Major-Tom]

It's a shit bill, but how is it Pro Murder and Rape?

It's possible that some trans* people could get killed for being in the restroom of their biological birth gender.

Err, I thought the bill just enforced people going to the restroom of their biological sex.

I'm admittedly not too well versed in this subject, but it seems to be a slippery slope to say "a MtF woman will be murdered if she uses the man's bathroom/raped."

[Grenartia]

Why do you support this pro-discrimination, pro-rape, pro-murder bill?

Because you've described it's attitude towards a population I'm opposed to.

That statement makes no sense. And why are you "opposed" to this "population"?

[Ifreann]

Why? What exactly does this bill accomplish? What problems does it solve, and is it the most efficient, least harmful solution possible to said problems? Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

>What problems does it solve

It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

The second part.

Usually people try to hide the fact that they're just hatefully trying to ruin other people's lives.

[Thermodolia]

Why? What exactly does this bill accomplish? What problems does it solve, and is it the most efficient, least harmful solution possible to said problems? Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

>What problems does it solve

It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

The second part.

I hope and pray that you are nowhere near any position of political power.

[Traditionalism]

Because you've described it's attitude towards a population I'm opposed to.

That statement makes no sense. And why are you "opposed" to this "population"?

The attitudes you've described which summarize the bill, are precisely why I support it.

I am opposed to the LGBT population because they go against Traditional beliefs, and I'm a Traditionalist.

[Thermodolia]

It's possible that some trans* people could get killed for being in the restroom of their biological birth gender.

Err, I thought the bill just enforced people going to the restroom of their biological sex.

I'm admittedly not too well versed in this subject, but it seems to be a slippery slope to say "a MtF woman will be murdered if she uses the man's bathroom/raped."

It's happened before I believe

[Major-Tom]

It's a shit bill, but how is it Pro Murder and Rape?

Trans people face disproportionate rates of violence, even when they are not being forcibly outed to complete strangers in public restrooms by legislation that bans them from using the restroom corresponding with their gender. This sort of legislation, and the campaigning in support of it, only adds fuel to the fire.

Of course, transgender people definitely are victims to violence, however I don't really think that this bill will cause a spike in restroom murders, though I admittedly could be wrong.

[Thermodolia]

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

>What problems does it solve

It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

The second part.

Usually people try to hide the fact that they're just hatefully trying to ruin other people's lives.

He gets props for being honest

[Traditionalism]

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

>What problems does it solve

It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

The second part.

I hope and pray that you are nowhere near any position of political power.

I would never willingly engage or take part of any kind of democratic system unless I'm removing it.

[Thermodolia]

I hope and pray that you are nowhere near any position of political power.

I would never willingly engage or take part of any kind of democratic system unless I'm removing it.

Thank god! Thankfully none of your batty ideas will ever take place.

[Liriena]

Why? What exactly does this bill accomplish? What problems does it solve, and is it the most efficient, least harmful solution possible to said problems? Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

So you support this legislation because it hurts innocent people who haven't actually done anything wrong, other than not abiding by your own personal moral code?

Disregarding how self-centered and mean-spirited that is, it's pretty darn irresponsible. You are actively trying to hurt a group of people who already have to put up with harrassment, abuse and assault at disproportionate rates. If this does not give you any sort of pause, then you are being malicious, evil... immoral.

>What problems does it solve

It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

So, not any actual problems.

Transgender people using the restrooms corresponding with their gender has nothing to do with your own "traditional values". If the continued existence of your "traditional values" depends on unilaterally forcing them upon complete strangers, then those are some remarkably weak and harmful values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

So, you confirm my previous suspicion that you are supporting this for purely malicious reasons.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

The second part.

Thereby further confirming my previous assertion. You are not being moral, but immoral.

[Grenartia]

Why? What exactly does this bill accomplish? What problems does it solve, and is it the most efficient, least harmful solution possible to said problems? Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

1. It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and 2. show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

>What problems does it solve

3. It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. 4. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

5. The second part.

1. You say that like its an inherently good thing.

2. Of what "immoral" behavior do you speak, and why is it immoral? And by all means, refrain from using that tired old "becaws jay-sus" line, because I've debunked that load of horseshit 6 ways to Sunday and back again. I want actual facts and logic.

3. What in particular about that is bad? Also, tradition for the sake of tradition is a fallacy.

4. Again, you say this like its an inherently good thing.

5. Why?

[Traditionalism]

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

>What problems does it solve

It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

The second part.

Usually people try to hide the fact that they're just hatefully trying to ruin other people's lives.

I don't hate them, but I see the system that encourages them as dangerous and any kind of blow to said system to me is a victory, especially if it is as reactionary and overt as this.

I mean, I wouldn't slaughter LGBT on the streets indiscriminately, it takes a lot for me to get physical about anything, something as petty as orientation won't force me to physical violence, but I dislike the amount of influence they have, and I see it as dangerous.

[Grenartia]

It's possible that some trans* people could get killed for being in the restroom of their biological birth gender.

Err, I thought the bill just enforced people going to the restroom of their biological sex.

I'm admittedly not too well versed in this subject, but it seems to be a slippery slope to say "a MtF woman will be murdered if she uses the man's bathroom/raped."

Given the obscenely high rates of violence against transpeople, and transwomen in particular, its actually not that much of a stretch.

[Thermodolia]

Usually people try to hide the fact that they're just hatefully trying to ruin other people's lives.

I don't hate them, but I see the system that encourages them as dangerous and any kind of blow to said system to me is a victory, especially if it is as reactionary and overt as this.

I mean, I wouldn't slaughter LGBT on the streets indiscriminately, it takes a lot for me to get physical about anything, something as petty as orientation won't force me to physical violence, but I dislike the amount of influence they have, and I see it as dangerous.

What do you mean by "encourages them"?

[The Forsworn Knights]

That statement makes no sense. And why are you "opposed" to this "population"?

The attitudes you've described which summarize the bill, are precisely why I support it.

I am opposed to the LGBT population because they go against Traditional beliefs, and I'm a Traditionalist.

So is Governor Mccory, who has openly stated that this law was a bad idea on his part, and that of his people.

Your 'Traditionalism' had wasted billions of dollars, caused a crapton of businesses to leave my home state, brought international ridicule upon us, and put the safety of the transsexual community at risk.

Why? What the Fuck does this accomplish that could possibly be worth the shitstorm it has created? The DA has completely refused to back this bill for chrissakes!

[Major-Tom]

Err, I thought the bill just enforced people going to the restroom of their biological sex.

I'm admittedly not too well versed in this subject, but it seems to be a slippery slope to say "a MtF woman will be murdered if she uses the man's bathroom/raped."

Given the obscenely high rates of violence against transpeople, and transwomen in particular, its actually not that much of a stretch.

I'll look into it, I'm not accusing you of being false, I just don't like slippery slopes.

[Liriena]

I mean, I wouldn't slaughter LGBT on the streets indiscriminately,

Of course not. You'd rather let the political system you despise do all your dirty work and implement policies that encourage the already rampant violence against trans people.

but I dislike the amount of influence they have, and I see it as dangerous.

Dangerous how?

[Traditionalism]

>What exactly does this bill accomplish?

It helps to marginalize the LGBT community and show them that this kind of immoral behavior isn't favored or will be tolerated.

So you support this legislation because it hurts innocent people who haven't actually done anything wrong, other than not abiding by your own personal moral code?

Disregarding how self-centered and mean-spirited that is, it's pretty darn irresponsible. You are actively trying to hurt a group of people who already have to put up with harrassment, abuse and assault at disproportionate rates. If this does not give you any sort of pause, then you are being malicious, evil... immoral.

>What problems does it solve

It fights against progressiveness and the loss of traditional values.

So, not any actual problems.

Transgender people using the restrooms corresponding with their gender has nothing to do with your own "traditional values". If the continued existence of your "traditional values" depends on unilaterally forcing them upon complete strangers, then those are some remarkably weak and harmful values.

> least harmful solution possible to said problems?

All legislation concerning divisive issues will always be harmful to some degree. My objective is not the least harmful but the most reactionary and symbolic.

So, you confirm my previous suspicion that you are supporting this for purely malicious reasons.

>Do you support this bill because you believe in this baseless "men pretending to be trans in women's restrooms" fearmongering, or because you have an animosity towards trans people themselves, and see any piece of legislation that restricts their rights as a public good?

The second part.

Thereby further confirming my previous assertion. You are not being moral, but immoral.

>So you support this legislation because it hurts innocent people who haven't actually done anything wrong, other than not abiding by your own personal moral code?

yes. From your perspective they haven't done anything wrong, and are innocent.

>So, you confirm my previous suspicion that you are supporting this for purely malicious reasons.

From my perspective, they're not malicious.