North Carolina Passes "Anti-LGBT" Bill

[The Forsworn Knights]

Jesus says to keep the church out of my state legislature.
Literally.

You can stop beating what is effectively a dead horse now.

Sorry, I just had to get something mildly amusing in.

Anyhow, this law is stupid, I believe the state gov is stupid, I believe the Greensboro City Council should be an absolute power in the state. Praise Bacon.

[Kannap]

Why oppose the bill when this is upholds the civil liberties that make our nation proud?

Right to life, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, our very democratic principles which make us unafraid to act on our own accord in front of others based on our own beliefs?

Just your rights and your civil liberties, though, right? Fuck the rights and civil liberties of LGBT people, right?

[Kannap]

Even if this argument was legitimate, I'd counter by saying that this nation was founded secular - separation of church/state and all that. You're free to be religious, but the government isn't and it isn't governed by religious law, because of how it was founded.

That is contradictory because when this nation was founded on unbiased and secular values which instills rights supposedly available to and usable by EVERY MEMBER OF THE POPULATION, we should not marginalize the religious or the LGBT population! It also contradictory to the freedom of speech which our nation proudly presents.

Edits respectfully mine.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

[Kannap]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

Clearly this town passing such an ordinance is a tremendous overreach and breaches the rights of the state, I expect state Republicans to harshly and angrily pass a bill in the next week to condemn the city for overstepping its boundaries and passing such a law that only the state holds the rights to pass. *nods*

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

Clearly this town passing such an ordinance is a tremendous overreach and breaches the rights of the state, I expect state Republicans to harshly and angrily pass a bill in the next week to condemn the city for overstepping its boundaries and passing such a law that only the state holds the rights to pass. *nods*

All I gotta say to Alabama is "Whats goin wrong?"

[Kannap]

Clearly this town passing such an ordinance is a tremendous overreach and breaches the rights of the state, I expect state Republicans to harshly and angrily pass a bill in the next week to condemn the city for overstepping its boundaries and passing such a law that only the state holds the rights to pass. *nods*

All I gotta say to Alabama is "Whats goin wrong?"

Alabama is always going wrong. For all we know, the bus boycotts are still going on in Montgomery.

[Neutraligon]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

I really want to ask why it is that certain set states always seem to be the ones creating the problem and discriminating. I mean don't they once get tired of being on the wrong side of history?

[Quokkastan]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

I really want to ask why it is that certain set states always seem to be the ones creating the problem and discriminating. I mean don't they once get tired of being on the wrong side of history?

Maybe if we let the Soviets occupy half of them for a few decades, they'll get better?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

I really want to ask why it is that certain set states always seem to be the ones creating the problem and discriminating. I mean don't they once get tired of being on the wrong side of history?

I think it has to do with what part of the nation they're in:

Southern man, better... Keep your head, and remember what your... good book said!

[Ifreann]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

I really want to ask why it is that certain set states always seem to be the ones creating the problem and discriminating. I mean don't they once get tired of being on the wrong side of history?

If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try...

[The New Falkland Islands]

I really want to ask why it is that certain set states always seem to be the ones creating the problem and discriminating. I mean don't they once get tired of being on the wrong side of history?

If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try...

The word "Conservative" automatically implies hardheadedness, no?

[Noraika]

If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try...

The word "Conservative" automatically implies hardheadedness, no?

I wouldn't say "hard-headed", given that such a word means, according to Oxford, "Practical and realistic; not sentimental". I would say that Conservatism, in how I've seen it most often, is more the ideology of stubbornly adhering to the way things were in the past, or appealing to the past in a manner to preserve the present state of things, as well as a force of reaction against any element of change. Which is fine. After all, you need some friction to keep a vehicle in motion.

Doesn't make it right on this issue, or other issues, but hard-headed I think may not be the proper term. Currently, in this issue especially, its the same as the protests against changing the legal definitions of marriage, and expanding adoption rights, to encompass homosexual couples, and the outcry about the loss the the privileges that Christianity once had through the state to increasingly impose 'Christian values' on an ever increasingly non-Christian population. Its more of a reaction against change and societal evolution, from everything I've seen of it.

[The Black Forrest]

The word "Conservative" automatically implies hardheadedness, no?

I wouldn't say "hard-headed", given that such a word means, according to Oxford, "Practical and realistic; not sentimental". I would say that Conservatism, in how I've seen it most often, is more the ideology of stubbornly adhering to the way things were in the past, or appealing to the past in a manner to preserve the present state of things, as well as a force of reaction against any element of change. Which is fine. After all, you need some friction to keep a vehicle in motion.

Doesn't make it right on this issue, or other issues, but hard-headed I think may not be the proper term. Currently, in this issue especially, its the same as the protests against changing the legal definitions of marriage, and expanding adoption rights, to encompass homosexual couples, and the outcry about the loss the the privileges that Christianity once had through the state to increasingly impose 'Christian values' on an ever increasingly non-Christian population. Its more of a reaction against change and societal evolution, from everything I've seen of it.

The battle cry is "Religious Freedom" It's about imposing "Christian" values on everybody.

[Noraika]

The battle cry is "Religious Freedom" It's about imposing "Christian" values on everybody.

Indeed, and the retention of the privileged position Christianity has exercised over the centuries on the legal structure. It's definitely something I've seen quite a lot in the Christian reaction to the direction society is moving. Nothing really about the new laws is forbidding the Christian population from practicing their religion in their private life like everyone else, but they still cry foul now because they are losing the control they had over the public sphere to make everyone else follow their religious beliefs.

Its like a person who's grown up with a silver spoon in their mouth getting upset out about how they're having to leave their mansion and might actually have to be around the filthy commoners.

[Liriena]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

So, Alabama wants some of that self-induced economic strife? Good for them.

[Quokkastan]

I've never understood the hatred for transgendered people.

But even if you are the sort that does hate transgendered people, and I'm sure you know who you are, is this really worth the effort? Think of all the political capital, all the rhetoric and attention, being dedicated to this instead of, say, figuring out why Southern schools are so consistently terrible, or getting your teenagers to stop knocking each other up.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

Again, I have to wonder how in the hell they'd even hope to enforce these bullshit laws.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I've never understood the hatred for transgendered people

Some people tend to be irrationally afraid or angered by things they don't understand.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Alabama just hopped on the hate train.

Again, I have to wonder how in the hell they'd even hope to enforce these bullshit laws.

Subjective enforcement will be the method in question. You look like you might be the opposite gender and you get the coppers on you and evicted from the premises. Or expelled/suspended/arrested.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Again, I have to wonder how in the hell they'd even hope to enforce these bullshit laws.

Subjective enforcement will be the method in question. You look like you might be the opposite gender and you get the coppers on you and evicted from the premises. Or expelled/suspended/arrested.

I can see this happening:

*CIS gendered male/female attempts to use restroom*

Store clerk: "You look way too feminine/masculine to be using the men's/women's restroom, you must be one of them evil transgender folk".

Patron: "But I am a man/woman."

Store clerk: "You make me sick".

I can't see these fear mongering laws going down well if they try to enforce them.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

On the birght side, this law should make Bathroom Sex easier. On the downside, Bathrooms are nasty.

[Liriena]

On the birght side, this law should make Bathroom Sex easier. On the downside, Bathrooms are nasty.

But on the bright side, sometimes nasty = hot

[The balkens]

On the birght side, this law should make Bathroom Sex easier. On the downside, Bathrooms are nasty.

But on the bright side, sometimes nasty = hot

quite.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Clearly this town passing such an ordinance is a tremendous overreach and breaches the rights of the state, I expect state Republicans to harshly and angrily pass a bill in the next week to condemn the city for overstepping its boundaries and passing such a law that only the state holds the rights to pass. *nods*

All I gotta say to Alabama is "Whats goin wrong?"

Alabama is, and will always be, a shithole.

Fuck Alabama, AND Oklahoma.