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bill?

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217
29%
neh
431
58%
weh?
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6%
eh
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:34 am

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Actually, surgery has been found to greatly reduce gender dysphoria, considering, you know, the female's body now is female, and vice versa. Studies also show that transpeople have brains wired more like their gender than their birthsex. But I don't think you care about facts, considering your post is completely devoid of any.

Thank you for your opinion.


At least my 'opinion' is grounded in scientific evidence and not personal bigotry.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:35 am

Ifreann wrote:
Nochov wrote:Which is a result of politics and not actual psychiatry. Until very recently they did list them as disorders, and other associations around the world still do. Please be careful how you characterize political organisations when discussing the issue.

The entire field of psychiatry is just a tool of the liberal intelligentsia. We need to go back to phrenology.


Meh. We need to go back to talking about phlegm and bile. Bleeding people cures all ailments.
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Postby Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:35 am

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Thank you for that advice, I never would have guessed.
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Actually, surgery has been found to greatly reduce gender dysphoria, considering, you know, the female's body now is female, and vice versa. Studies also show that transpeople have brains wired more like their gender than their birthsex. But I don't think you care about facts, considering your post is completely devoid of any.

Thank you for your opinion.

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I am proof! (it's really easy to see the differences with me; I've got a non-trans identical brother.)
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:55 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The entire field of psychiatry is just a tool of the liberal intelligentsia. We need to go back to phrenology.


Meh. We need to go back to talking about phlegm and bile. Bleeding people cures all ailments.

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You're bleeding? Let's bleed you!
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:56 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Meh. We need to go back to talking about phlegm and bile. Bleeding people cures all ailments.

Arthritis? Let's bleed you!
Pneumonia? Let's bleed you!
You're bleeding? Let's bleed you!

You seem healthy, but the leeches are hungry. Let's bleed you!
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Arthritis? Let's bleed you!
Pneumonia? Let's bleed you!
You're bleeding? Let's bleed you!

You seem healthy, but the leeches are hungry. Let's bleed you!


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Postby Kannap » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:12 am

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To say nothing of the fact that human rights shouldn't be subject to the whims of popular opinion.

I'd argue that in this case the humane thing to do would get these people the treatment they need to become healthy and productive members of society.


Treating them like the human beings they are, like you'd treat any other human being? Right?
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Postby Nochov » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:29 am

Kannap wrote:
Nochov wrote:I'd argue that in this case the humane thing to do would get these people the treatment they need to become healthy and productive members of society.


Treating them like the human beings they are, like you'd treat any other human being? Right?

Yes, precisely.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:36 am

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Treating them like the human beings they are, like you'd treat any other human being? Right?

Yes, precisely.


Treating people different from you as delusional freaks is far from treating them as human.
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Postby The New Falkland Islands » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:42 am

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I suspect counselling, or meds even if it's severe enough. Mental illness simply cannot be left untreated. And yes, medications and counselling work, a lot of the time.


For Gender Dysphoria?

No, actually, they almost never work.


No there is no cure for Gender Dysphoria. It's not an illness
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:43 am

The New Falkland Islands wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
For Gender Dysphoria?

No, actually, they almost never work.


No there is no cure for Gender Dysphoria. It's not an illness


Don't lecture me on Gender Dysphoria. I am trans, I know what I am talking about.

Gender Dysphoria is a syptom of having a gender identity that doesn't match up with one's biological sex. Surgery allievates this.
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Postby Nochov » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:43 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Nochov wrote:Yes, precisely.


Treating people different from you as delusional freaks is far from treating them as human.

Getting them the help they need rather than forcing society to coddle them around their illness.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:44 am

Nochov wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Treating people different from you as delusional freaks is far from treating them as human.

Getting them the help they need rather than forcing society to coddle them around their illness.


Being transgender isn't an illness.
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Postby The New Falkland Islands » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:45 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The New Falkland Islands wrote:
No there is no cure for Gender Dysphoria. It's not an illness


Don't lecture me on Gender Dysphoria. I am trans, I know what I am talking about.

Gender Dysphoria is a syptom of having a gender identity that doesn't match up with one's biological sex. Surgery allievates this.


I choose not to lecture. And yes i am aware of what it is. I just don't believe its a MENTAL ILLNESS. It's a state of mind. Classifying it as an illness immediate casts it as evil. What's wrong with it?
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:45 am

Nochov wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Treating people different from you as delusional freaks is far from treating them as human.

Getting them the help they need rather than forcing society to coddle them around their illness.


We've all seen the smashing success rates of conversion therapy. *nod nod* Pray Away the Trans!
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If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Nochov » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:46 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Nochov wrote:Getting them the help they need rather than forcing society to coddle them around their illness.


Being transgender isn't an illness.

"an unhealthy condition of body or mind, see sickness".
It is, though.

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:46 am

Nochov wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Being transgender isn't an illness.

"an unhealthy condition of body or mind, see sickness".
It is, though.

You are proving our case.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:47 am

The New Falkland Islands wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Don't lecture me on Gender Dysphoria. I am trans, I know what I am talking about.

Gender Dysphoria is a syptom of having a gender identity that doesn't match up with one's biological sex. Surgery allievates this.


I choose not to lecture. And yes i am aware of what it is. I just don't believe its a MENTAL ILLNESS. It's a state of mind. Classifying it as an illness immediate casts it as evil. What's wrong with it?


Agreed that its not a mental illness. But it is a painful position to be in, as I personally can attest to. And transitioning is the solution to the situation.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:47 am

Gauthier wrote:
Nochov wrote:Getting them the help they need rather than forcing society to coddle them around their illness.


We've all seen the smashing success rates of conversion therapy. *nod nod* Pray Away the Trans!

It doesn't have that nice ring to it, though.
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Postby The New Falkland Islands » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:48 am

Nochov wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Being transgender isn't an illness.

"an unhealthy condition of body or mind, see sickness".
It is, though.


I see nothing unhealthy with it. Try and explain this. What argument could you possibly have against it?
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Postby The New Falkland Islands » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:48 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The New Falkland Islands wrote:
I choose not to lecture. And yes i am aware of what it is. I just don't believe its a MENTAL ILLNESS. It's a state of mind. Classifying it as an illness immediate casts it as evil. What's wrong with it?


Agreed that its not a mental illness. But it is a painful position to be in, as I personally can attest to. And transitioning is the solution to the situation.


THAT is something i can get on board with. And you're brave for completing your transition. I commend you.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:49 am

The New Falkland Islands wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Agreed that its not a mental illness. But it is a painful position to be in, as I personally can attest to. And transitioning is the solution to the situation.


THAT is something i can get on board with. And you're brave for completing your transition. I commend you.


Haven't transitioned yet, on account of being forced by my *ahem* familial situation and age to live in a closet. Im not brave at all, really.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:50 am

Nochov wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Treating people different from you as delusional freaks is far from treating them as human.

Getting them the help they need rather than forcing society to coddle them around their illness.


I think you should discuss your delusion that transgender identity can be talked away with your therapist and let other people get the treatment that has been proven to work.
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Postby The New Falkland Islands » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:52 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The New Falkland Islands wrote:
THAT is something i can get on board with. And you're brave for completing your transition. I commend you.


Haven't transitioned yet, on account of being forced by my *ahem* familial situation and age to live in a closet. Im not brave at all, really.


Then, I wish you the best of luck. Once you get out of the house, life will become easier for you, trust me. It was extremely hard for me coming out as a non-binary pan in high school, and in many ways i still am.
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Postby Val Halla » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:02 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Nochov wrote:Getting them the help they need rather than forcing society to coddle them around their illness.


I think you should discuss your delusion that transgender identity can be talked away with your therapist and let other people get the treatment that has been proven to work.

Apparently uneducated opinions and fearmongering should be laws, and not facts or basic decency
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