North Carolina Passes "Anti-LGBT" Bill

[United States of Natan]

This bill is despicable, and I'm glad my Governor is prohibiting my State from funding travel to NC.

[Kannap]

Now Kannap you know better than to bring facts into an argument!

Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with either side, but I didn't see a single fact presented in Kannap's argument.

Ah, of course, I forgot. Every single American was 100% for the civil rights movement and every white man, woman, and child in the country was ready and willing to share bathrooms, water fountains, and schools with African Americans. Silly me, thinking that Martin Luther King, Jr. had to lead all those peaceful protests and such when he could have sat at a diner table next to a white family at any time he felt like it.

Silly me for seeing that LGBT people deserve equal rights and thinking that their civil rights movement in present time deserved attention. Silly me

[Kannap]

Speaking as someone outside the US, I find it strange that you expect youths to get naked and shower together at all.

Speaking as someone inside the US who was never expected to shower together in school or such, I find it strange that Greenville Christian Academy expects youths to get naked and shower together at all.

[Gim]

There's a fundamental difference between dark-skinned people and homosexual people. Homosexual people act against what is deemed conscientious. It is widely known, even from the past, males are supposed to marry females to reproduce. Homosexuality defies that kind of concept. Dark-skinned people were naturally made dark with bodily functions and character equivalent to those of humans. Well, both are humans, but if you were to actually compare the two.

Time for a new three-fifths compromise? My gay neighbors should only be paying 3/5 the amount of taxes I pay, because they're only 3/5 the person I am.

Homosexual people are people nonetheless, and of all people, Gim, I would expect you to know what the Bible says about judgment. It is neither your place or mine to judge anybody, that's not our job. We're meant to be accepting and kind to all of God's people, and those homosexuals that you're trying to distance yourself from are God's people too. What would Jesus say about you saying rude things about part of God's creation?

I don't think I'm judging a specific individual or individuals of sin, as which homosexuality is stated in the Bible. If I point to someone and judge if he or she is homosexual by some kind of an action, that would be judgment. However, if I am talking about a set of individuals who are deemed homosexual, not in my own sight, but those of God, then I'm not judging. Moreover, can you say that homosexual people are entirely obedient of God? I mean, people are not altogether righteous. Some are sinners, although some are righteous people. We all know there are sinners in this world.

[Thermodolia]

This bill is despicable, and I'm glad my Governor is prohibiting my State from funding travel to NC.

I presume that your from New York? When the Mayor of Atlanta did that a bunch of idiots thought that he banned every Atlanta Citizen from going to NC.

[Liriena]

ignoring the fact that im not a bigot because im extremely tolerant of lgbt and other movements i oppose

So, you're not a bigot because you don't actually hate LGBT+ people. You just don't want them to have the same rights as you, and will support the nonsensical, harmful laws to achieve that.

why is being a bigot inherently evil?

Wow...

besides, i support letting states decide

You support letting a state decide that its cities cannot ban discrimination against LGBT+ people?

[Linux and the X]

Something almost identical to this bill just passed in Mississippi.

The South. The South never changes.

Hey, Florida rejected a similar (but worse) bill last year. (Mostly 'cause they got tired of listening to us uppity trannies, but we'll take what we can get.)

[District XIV]

Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with either side, but I didn't see a single fact presented in Kannap's argument.

Ah, of course, I forgot. Every single American was 100% for the civil rights movement and every white man, woman, and child in the country was ready and willing to share bathrooms, water fountains, and schools with African Americans. Silly me, thinking that Martin Luther King, Jr. had to lead all those peaceful protests and such when he could have sat at a diner table next to a white family at any time he felt like it.

Silly me for seeing that LGBT people deserve equal rights and thinking that their civil rights movement in present time deserved attention. Silly me

You respond to me pointing out that your argument contained no facts, with, ironically, no facts and a lot of unneeded sarcasm.

I'd also like to note that I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't support the bill being debated in this thread. I don't support Luepola's arguments either. And I very much don't support anything that is genuinely anti-LGBT. But the fact that your reply seems to imply that I think that 100% of Americans agreed with desegregation is hilarious and represents an appalling lack of reading comprehension or interpretation capabilities on your part.

[Kannap]

There are probably lots of people who favored the former status quo before black people pushed for equality too, but Martin Luther King, Jr. pushed forward anyway and let a movement that changed the nation. No reason to be a bigot during a new civil rights movement.

ignoring the fact that im not a bigot because im extremely tolerant of lgbt and other movements i oppose, why is being a bigot inherently evil?

besides, i support letting states decide, rather than squelching support for or opposition to LGBT at the federal level. wouldn't that be less bigoted by being fairer (more tolerant, if you will) to all sides?

No, that would not be less bigoted or fairer to all sides, because the south would jump on the first chances to oppress the rights of LGBT people. That is why the rest of us cannot sit around and allow that to happen, because if you stay neutral in times of oppression, you've chosen the side of the oppressor. It is simply unconstitutional to allow discrimination against LGBT people or to bar same sex couples from marrying or to bar transgender people from using their proper identified restroom. Why do you insist on supporting laws that are unconstitutional?

[Kannap]

Time for a new three-fifths compromise? My gay neighbors should only be paying 3/5 the amount of taxes I pay, because they're only 3/5 the person I am.

I personally would love this if I only had to pay 3/5 of the amount of taxes. :p

Do pansexuals get the same deal? I want in

[Eol Sha]

Interesting, and conservative, defense of Nathan Deal's veto. I'm no conservative, but Tanenblatt is correct, in my opinion.

[Thermodolia]

I personally would love this if I only had to pay 3/5 of the amount of taxes.

Do pansexuals get the same deal? I want in

Well since any non-heterosexual would be considered a deviant, the answer is yes.

[Kannap]

Time for a new three-fifths compromise? My gay neighbors should only be paying 3/5 the amount of taxes I pay, because they're only 3/5 the person I am.

Homosexual people are people nonetheless, and of all people, Gim, I would expect you to know what the Bible says about judgment. It is neither your place or mine to judge anybody, that's not our job. We're meant to be accepting and kind to all of God's people, and those homosexuals that you're trying to distance yourself from are God's people too. What would Jesus say about you saying rude things about part of God's creation?

I don't think I'm judging a specific individual or individuals of sin, as which homosexuality is stated in the Bible. If I point to someone and judge if he or she is homosexual by some kind of an action, that would be judgment. However, if I am talking about a set of individuals who are deemed homosexual, not in my own sight, but those of God, then I'm not judging. Moreover, can you say that homosexual people are entirely obedient of God? I mean, people are not altogether righteous. Some are sinners, although some are righteous people. We all know there are sinners in this world.

Everybody in this world is a sinner. There are two types of people in this world: Sinners and liars, and lying is a sin, so sinners and sinners. Everybody sins and God doesn't put a value on which sins are worst than others, society puts those values there. You somehow insist homosexuality is worse sin than lying, from what I've seen you preach on about. Society tends to believe murder is a far worse sin than stealing and stealing is many times worse than lying according to society. However, do you really believe God values one sin worst than another? All sin is simply disobedience to him, regardless of what sin it is. I've lied a lot in my life, I'll admit I have told lies. That makes me a sinner. I've stolen before, I'm a sinner. My sin is no worse or no better than my friend who sleeps with the same sex. I certainly have no right to judge anybody badly for their sins when I should be handling my own sins.

[District XIV]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/us/ga ... olina.html

It will be interesting to see how North Carolina deals with corporations deciding to take operations elsewhere because of this law. I wonder if they'll pull a Georgia and decide, somewhere down the line, to pull this law.

[Thermodolia]

Interesting, and conservative, defense of Nathan Deal's veto. I'm no conservative, but Tanenblatt is correct, in my opinion.

It's a very good argument.

[Luepola]

So, you're not a bigot because you don't actually hate LGBT+ people. You just don't want them to have the same rights as you, and will support the nonsensical, harmful laws to achieve that.

in case you didnt get the memo, tolerance =/= support

intolerance would be me actively shunning, insulting, or attacking gays for being gay, none of which i do

Wow...

go on, answer the question

tell me why im so evil for being a bigot

You support letting a state decide that its cities cannot ban discrimination against LGBT+ people?

i guess limiting ones bathroom usage is apparently tantamount to stripping someone of their right to vote

Speaking as someone outside the US, I find it strange that you expect youths to get naked and shower together at all.

Speaking as someone inside the US who was never expected to shower together in school or such, I find it strange that Greenville Christian Academy expects youths to get naked and shower together at all.

please stop making fun of my school

(jk im in college and not in greenville)

[Kannap]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/us/gay-rights-mississippi-north-carolina.html

It will be interesting to see how North Carolina deals with corporations deciding to take operations elsewhere because of this law. I wonder if they'll pull a Georgia and decide, somewhere down the line, to pull this law.

The law absolutely should be pulled, regardless of overwhelming corporate response or not.

[Gim]

Everybody in this world is a sinner. There are two types of people in this world: Sinners and liars, and lying is a sin, so sinners and sinners. Everybody sins and God doesn't put a value on which sins are worst than others, society puts those values there. You somehow insist homosexuality is worse sin than lying, from what I've seen you preach on about. Society tends to believe murder is a far worse sin than stealing and stealing is many times worse than lying according to society. However, do you really believe God values one sin worst than another? All sin is simply disobedience to him, regardless of what sin it is. I've lied a lot in my life, I'll admit I have told lies. That makes me a sinner. I've stolen before, I'm a sinner. My sin is no worse or no better than my friend who sleeps with the same sex. I certainly have no right to judge anybody badly for their sins when I should be handling my own sins.

That is not the point. My point is that, although sin is prevalent in this world, we should do our best to prevent people from sinning. Christians sin; however, they do their best to redeem themselves by prayer and reflection. I think we certainly cannot judge the magnitude of each and every sin, but, knowing that sin is bad for us, we should try to minimize committing it as much as possible.

[Thermodolia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/us/gay-rights-mississippi-north-carolina.html

It will be interesting to see how North Carolina deals with corporations deciding to take operations elsewhere because of this law. I wonder if they'll pull a Georgia and decide, somewhere down the line, to pull this law.

Is that they are calling it these days?

[Kannap]

Everybody in this world is a sinner. There are two types of people in this world: Sinners and liars, and lying is a sin, so sinners and sinners. Everybody sins and God doesn't put a value on which sins are worst than others, society puts those values there. You somehow insist homosexuality is worse sin than lying, from what I've seen you preach on about. Society tends to believe murder is a far worse sin than stealing and stealing is many times worse than lying according to society. However, do you really believe God values one sin worst than another? All sin is simply disobedience to him, regardless of what sin it is. I've lied a lot in my life, I'll admit I have told lies. That makes me a sinner. I've stolen before, I'm a sinner. My sin is no worse or no better than my friend who sleeps with the same sex. I certainly have no right to judge anybody badly for their sins when I should be handling my own sins.

That is not the point. My point is that, although sin is prevalent in this world, we should do our best to prevent people from sinning. Christians sin; however, they do their best to redeem themselves by prayer and reflection. I think we certainly cannot judge the magnitude of each and every sin, but, knowing that sin is bad for us, we should try to minimize committing it as much as possible.

But even though we can attempt to minimize committing sin, we're born with sin nature and will constantly and always sin. Gay people aren't any less human or any less children of God because of their actions. I'm quite proud of many of my gay Christian friends for continuing to walk in the path of righteousness with God, and I am certainly proud to be a member of a Christian denomination that defines marriage in a way that includes same sex marriage.

[Linux and the X]

So, you're not a bigot because you don't actually hate LGBT+ people. You just don't want them to have the same rights as you, and will support the nonsensical, harmful laws to achieve that.

in case you didnt get the memo, tolerance =/= support

intolerance would be me actively shunning, insulting, or attacking gays for being gay, none of which i do

Just because you don't personally participate in assaulting queer people doesn't mean you bear no responsibility for what happens as a result of the bigoted laws you support and the environment your support creates.

[District XIV]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/us/gay-rights-mississippi-north-carolina.html

It will be interesting to see how North Carolina deals with corporations deciding to take operations elsewhere because of this law. I wonder if they'll pull a Georgia and decide, somewhere down the line, to pull this law.

The law absolutely should be pulled, regardless of overwhelming corporate response or not.

Most politicians will answer to corporations, interestingly. They couldn't give a shit what the average Joe thinks until the money starts tumbling away.

[Luepola]

in case you didnt get the memo, tolerance =/= support

intolerance would be me actively shunning, insulting, or attacking gays for being gay, none of which i do

Just because you don't personally participate in assaulting queer people doesn't mean you bear no responsibility for what happens as a result of the bigoted laws you support and the environment your support creates.

i don't believe in guilt by association

sorry, not sorry

[Linux and the X]

The law absolutely should be pulled, regardless of overwhelming corporate response or not.

Most politicians will answer to corporations, interestingly. They couldn't give a shit what the average Joe thinks until the money starts tumbling away.

I hope the Democrats in the NC General Assembly have enough backbone to refuse to pass a mere repeal, and instead demand active protection of trans rights. But I know they don't really give enough of a fuck about us to do that.

[Thermodolia]

Everybody in this world is a sinner. There are two types of people in this world: Sinners and liars, and lying is a sin, so sinners and sinners. Everybody sins and God doesn't put a value on which sins are worst than others, society puts those values there. You somehow insist homosexuality is worse sin than lying, from what I've seen you preach on about. Society tends to believe murder is a far worse sin than stealing and stealing is many times worse than lying according to society. However, do you really believe God values one sin worst than another? All sin is simply disobedience to him, regardless of what sin it is. I've lied a lot in my life, I'll admit I have told lies. That makes me a sinner. I've stolen before, I'm a sinner. My sin is no worse or no better than my friend who sleeps with the same sex. I certainly have no right to judge anybody badly for their sins when I should be handling my own sins.

That is not the point. My point is that, although sin is prevalent in this world, we should do our best to prevent people from sinning. Christians sin; however, they do their best to redeem themselves by prayer and reflection. I think we certainly cannot judge the magnitude of each and every sin, but, knowing that sin is bad for us, we should try to minimize committing it as much as possible.

I'm not a follower of your religion, why should I have to be forced to follow what your religion says.