North Carolina Passes "Anti-LGBT" Bill

[Celritannia]

This is why right wing Republicans and anyone trying to "protect the children" are idiots.
They use fear to separate. If a person become transgender that means they are their prefered sex.

If you ask an MtF female to go into the bathroom of their sex, they would feel uncomfortable as they might get raped.
Or if they are FtM (a big muscular FtoM at that) then women might get scared, but this is never mentioned is it? It's always MtoF in the women's toilets, no the other way around.

This was the same argument when DADT was revoked, or even when segregation was removed, people fearing for no reason except to hate.

If people are worried for their children, perhaps the bible belt should stop having their children spend alone time with priests.

Infact, whos to say you have not shared a lavatory with a transgender person already?

You cannot judge everyone as rapists simply, this is degrading and discriminating.

[The New Falkland Islands]

Governor McCrory reveals how the law will be enforced - Dedicated hotline for reporting people in the wrong toilet.

What an idiotic idea. Man, that is going to be trolled and it will be hilarious.

I know when that hotline bling!

[Boineburg]

That's the most sense I've heard from a left-wing guy all day

Left-wing girl, mind you.

Guy is applicable for either sex unless determined otherwise. I wasn't incorrect in my use of it, though I might be if I were to use it again. Regardless, I'll be using it again.

[Vassenor]

Left-wing girl, mind you.

Guy is applicable for either sex unless determined otherwise. I wasn't incorrect in my use of it, though I might be if I were to use it again. Regardless, I'll be using it again.

I dunno, people have been warned before for not respecting another user's request to be gendered a given way.

[Grenartia]

Left-wing girl, mind you.

Guy is applicable for either sex unless determined otherwise. I wasn't incorrect in my use of it, though I might be if I were to use it again. Regardless, I'll be using it again.

It doesn't work like that.

[Wallenburg]

Left-wing girl, mind you.

Guy is applicable for either sex unless determined otherwise. I wasn't incorrect in my use of it, though I might be if I were to use it again. Regardless, I'll be using it again.

Authorities on the English language say otherwise.

[The V O I D]

You don't seem to understand how biology works. They've proven that, biologically speaking, an LGBT person's brain's sexuality center and/or gender identity center can be born deviating from heterosexual, cismale/cisfemale. In simple terms: a man who identifies as a woman has a female gender-identification center for whatever reason. A woman who identifies as a man has a male gender-identification. That's how I understand it, anyways; someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah. That's biology.

Basically that's it. Generally it's a developmental disorder where for whatever reason the hormones that should stimulate matching development of the sex organs and brain fuck up. Obviously, we can't just alter the brain, for practical and ethical reasons, so we try to alter the body instead.

Disorder implies it's a hindrance rather than just a normal genetic deviation. Hence why I said genetic deviation.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Basically that's it. Generally it's a developmental disorder where for whatever reason the hormones that should stimulate matching development of the sex organs and brain fuck up. Obviously, we can't just alter the brain, for practical and ethical reasons, so we try to alter the body instead.

Disorder implies it's a hindrance rather than just a normal genetic deviation. Hence why I said genetic deviation.

To be fair, to me, it does hinder my ability to be happy, but thats only because I'm not in an environment where I can be accepted and transition. Its only a hidnerance if we make it one.

[Equestria and Griffon]

You don't seem to understand how biology works. They've proven that, biologically speaking, an LGBT person's brain's sexuality center and/or gender identity center can be born deviating from heterosexual, cismale/cisfemale. In simple terms: a man who identifies as a woman has a female gender-identification center for whatever reason. A woman who identifies as a man has a male gender-identification. That's how I understand it, anyways; someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah. That's biology.

Basically that's it. Generally it's a developmental disorder where for whatever reason the hormones that should stimulate matching development of the sex organs and brain fuck up. Obviously, we can't just alter the brain, for practical and ethical reasons, so we try to alter the body instead.

(Inception Music Here)

[The V O I D]

Disorder implies it's a hindrance rather than just a normal genetic deviation. Hence why I said genetic deviation.

To be fair, to me, it does hinder my ability to be happy, but thats only because I'm not in an environment where I can be accepted and transition. Its only a hidnerance if we make it one.

Well, yes, but what I meant was in terms of medicine / biology / psychology / whatever it is not legally a disorder. It's legally recognized as 'genetic deviation'. But, yeah, it can be a hindrance to one's happiness if in a situation like that. My sympathies, Bailey.

Pretty sure the last time it was legally referred to as a "disorder" was the 70s/80s. Hasn't been such since.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

To be fair, to me, it does hinder my ability to be happy, but thats only because I'm not in an environment where I can be accepted and transition. Its only a hidnerance if we make it one.

Well, yes, but what I meant was in terms of medicine / biology / psychology / whatever it is not legally a disorder. It's legally recognized as 'genetic deviation'. But, yeah, it can be a hindrance to one's happiness if in a situation like that. My sympathies, Bailey.

Pretty sure the last time it was legally referred to as a "disorder" was the 70s/80s. Hasn't been such since.

Yes correct. "Gender Identity Disorder" is an outdated term. The currect handbook for this kind of thing, DSM-V, lists "Gender Dysphoria" instead.

[The V O I D]

Well, yes, but what I meant was in terms of medicine / biology / psychology / whatever it is not legally a disorder. It's legally recognized as 'genetic deviation'. But, yeah, it can be a hindrance to one's happiness if in a situation like that. My sympathies, Bailey.

Pretty sure the last time it was legally referred to as a "disorder" was the 70s/80s. Hasn't been such since.

Yes correct. "Gender Identity Disorder" is an outdated term. The currect handbook for this kind of thing, DSM-V, lists "Gender Dysphoria" instead.

Yeah, well... I just call it "being human."

Back onto topic. All of this bathroom business has got me thinking... now, I may sound radical if I say this [or maybe not], but why can't we do Omnisex Bathrooms? i.e. all bathrooms are for everyone regardless of sex/gender and sexuality, no more segregation of bathrooms. And the benefit is this makes bathroom lines nonexistent [or lowers them severely]. And I don't see many risks [though, feel free to fill me in].

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Yes correct. "Gender Identity Disorder" is an outdated term. The currect handbook for this kind of thing, DSM-V, lists "Gender Dysphoria" instead.

Yeah, well... I just call it "being human."

Back onto topic. All of this bathroom business has got me thinking... now, I may sound radical if I say this [or maybe not], but why can't we do Omnisex Bathrooms? i.e. all bathrooms are for everyone regardless of sex/gender and sexuality, no more segregation of bathrooms. And the benefit is this makes bathroom lines nonexistent [or lowers them severely]. And I don't see many risks [though, feel free to fill me in].

Yes, Unisex bathrooms are something that has been proposed and would, theoretically at least, work very well. Especially if the stalls had full doors. Sadly, conservatives oppose those too because "tradition" or some other conservative bullshit even though gender-segregated bathrooms are a fairly new thing historically speaking. What can you say, "Conservative" does start with a con...

[Boineburg]

Yeah, well... I just call it "being human."

Back onto topic. All of this bathroom business has got me thinking... now, I may sound radical if I say this [or maybe not], but why can't we do Omnisex Bathrooms? i.e. all bathrooms are for everyone regardless of sex/gender and sexuality, no more segregation of bathrooms. And the benefit is this makes bathroom lines nonexistent [or lowers them severely]. And I don't see many risks [though, feel free to fill me in].

Yes, Unisex bathrooms are something that has been proposed and would, theoretically at least, work very well. Especially if the stalls had full doors. Sadly, conservatives oppose those too because "tradition" or some other conservative bullshit even though gender-segregated bathrooms are a fairly new thing historically speaking. What can you say, "Conservative" does start with a con...

There's also the issue of space and the money required to open and operate more divisions of bathrooms. There are costs.

[Wallenburg]

Yes, Unisex bathrooms are something that has been proposed and would, theoretically at least, work very well. Especially if the stalls had full doors. Sadly, conservatives oppose those too because "tradition" or some other conservative bullshit even though gender-segregated bathrooms are a fairly new thing historically speaking. What can you say, "Conservative" does start with a con...

There's also the issue of space and the money required to open and operate more divisions of bathrooms. There are costs.

I know, right? Dividing bathrooms by sex/gender just isn't even cost efficient.

[Boineburg]

There's also the issue of space and the money required to open and operate more divisions of bathrooms. There are costs.

I know, right? Dividing bathrooms by sex/gender just isn't even cost efficient.

There's also the issue of space and the money required to open and operate more divisions of bathrooms. There are costs.

It will be more expensive to close and refurbish existing divisions that it will be to simply leave them as they are.

And no matter if transsexuals are allowed in the wrong bathroom or not, there will be people who will be uncomfortable with obvious members of the opposite sex sharing the same bathroom as them. This is unavoidable.

[The Rich Port]

Yeah, no.

Men are more than just their dangly parts.

What makes a man a man is his character, his intelligence, and his facial hair.

It's something you earn, not just something you're born with.

Shows what you know about what it means to be a man.

♬ To be a man~ You must be swift as the coursing river~
With all the force of a great typhoon~
With all the strength of a raging fire~
Mysterious as the dark side of the moon! ♬

Wow, that's friggin' appropriate, considering Mulan was the worst cross dresser in history XD

[The V O I D]

I know, right? Dividing bathrooms by sex/gender just isn't even cost efficient.

There's also the issue of space and the money required to open and operate more divisions of bathrooms. There are costs.

It will be more expensive to close and refurbish existing divisions that it will be to simply leave them as they are.

And no matter if transsexuals are allowed in the wrong bathroom or not, there will be people who will be uncomfortable with obvious members of the opposite sex sharing the same bathroom as them. This is unavoidable.

It won't be cost expensive. Make them unisex, and just temporarily close one side of a former-women's bathroom to install urinals as well. Done. Anyone can use any bathroom regardless of sex/gender.

Also, it's not the "wrong bathroom." If a man identifies as a woman and simply cannot afford the transition surgery yet, she is a woman. And the women's bathroom is correct regardless of whether or not she still has a penis. If a woman identifies as a man and simply cannot afford the transition surgery yet, he is a man. Regardless of anyone else's views. Unisex bathrooms solve everything because of the simple fact that you can't tell who's in the stall next to you, and obviously men who don't need to take a shit will be using urinals to be quick and efficient - so it's obvious who's a man, but never obvious who's a woman - unless you like peaking in other stalls, which is illegal anyways.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

It will be more expensive to close and refurbish existing divisions that it will be to simply leave them as they are.

And no matter if transsexuals are allowed in the wrong bathroom or not, there will be people who will be uncomfortable with obvious members of the opposite sex sharing the same bathroom as them. This is unavoidable.

It won't be cost expensive. Make them unisex, and just temporarily close one side of a former-women's bathroom to install urinals as well. Done. Anyone can use any bathroom regardless of sex/gender.

Also, it's not the "wrong bathroom." If a man identifies as a woman and simply cannot afford the transition surgery yet, she is a woman. And the women's bathroom is correct regardless of whether or not she still has a penis. If a woman identifies as a man and simply cannot afford the transition surgery yet, he is a man. Regardless of anyone else's views. Unisex bathrooms solve everything because of the simple fact that you can't tell who's in the stall next to you, and obviously men who don't need to take a shit will be using urinals to be quick and efficient - so it's obvious who's a man, but never obvious who's a woman - unless you like peaking in other stalls, which is illegal anyways.

Also important to note that there are MtF transwomen who don't get the formal sexual reassignment surgery because it has a chance of seriously getting FUBAR'd. Even fewer FtM's get it because erecting a penis (pun not intended) is harder than constructing a vagina, and that surgery is even more imperfect.

[Noraika]

It won't be cost expensive. Make them unisex, and just temporarily close one side of a former-women's bathroom to install urinals as well. Done. Anyone can use any bathroom regardless of sex/gender.

Also, it's not the "wrong bathroom." If a man identifies as a woman and simply cannot afford the transition surgery yet, she is a woman. And the women's bathroom is correct regardless of whether or not she still has a penis. If a woman identifies as a man and simply cannot afford the transition surgery yet, he is a man. Regardless of anyone else's views. Unisex bathrooms solve everything because of the simple fact that you can't tell who's in the stall next to you, and obviously men who don't need to take a shit will be using urinals to be quick and efficient - so it's obvious who's a man, but never obvious who's a woman - unless you like peaking in other stalls, which is illegal anyways.

Also important to note that there are MtF transwomen who don't get the formal sexual reassignment surgery because it has a chance of seriously getting FUBAR'd. Even fewer FtM's get it because erecting a penis (pun not intended) is harder than constructing a vagina, and that surgery is even more imperfect.

On the matter of wrong bathrooms. I agree that we should not make an individual use the wrong bathroom opposite to their gender identity. That's kind of what all this fuss is about. The North Carolina government is trying to force transgender people to use the 'wrong' bathroom.

Plus its going to make some people uncomfortable anyways, since either direction you're going to cause some uncomfortabiltiy.

or

If you care about bathroom safety, if you care about making the most comfortable experience for all parties involved, in doing something as simple and innate as using the restroom, you should support allowing women to use women's restrooms...ALL women, which includes trans-women, and you should support allowing men to use men's restrooms...ALL men, which includes trans-men. This has never been an issue, or questioned, until Conservative law-makers made it one through fabricating imagined threats and compromises to 'bathroom safety', which across local governments - such as Charlotte - states, and other countries alike has not shown itself to be in any way based in reality.

If you replace the rhetoric with racial terms, it is the same arguments which were used to oppose the end to racial segregation in bathrooms, and the arguments are just as imagined and fallacious.

@Bailey (Renewed Imperial Germany)
Not to mention that, under most plans I've seen, a significant time period, often measuring up to or over a year, of 'Real Life Experience' is needed to have Sex Reassignment Surgery, which requires the individual to live as their identified gender for that period of time, and a part of that is using the restroom for their gender.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Also important to note that there are MtF transwomen who don't get the formal sexual reassignment surgery because it has a chance of seriously getting FUBAR'd. Even fewer FtM's get it because erecting a penis (pun not intended) is harder than constructing a vagina, and that surgery is even more imperfect.

On the matter of wrong bathrooms. I agree that we should not make an individual use the wrong bathroom opposite to their gender identity. That's kind of what all this fuss is about. The North Carolina government is trying to force transgender people to use the 'wrong' bathroom.

Plus its going to make some people uncomfortable anyways, since either direction you're going to cause some uncomfortabiltiy.

or

If you care about bathroom safety, if you care about making the most comfortable experience for all parties involved, in doing something as simple and innate as using the restroom, you should support allowing women to use women's restrooms...ALL women, which includes trans-women, and you should support allowing men to use men's restrooms...ALL men, which includes trans-men. This has never been an issue, or questioned, until Conservative law-makers made it one through fabricating imagined threats and compromises to 'bathroom safety', which across local governments - such as Charlotte - states, and other countries alike has not shown itself to be in any way based in reality.

If you replace the rhetoric with racial terms, it is the same arguments which were used to oppose the end to racial segregation in bathrooms, and the arguments are just as imagined and fallacious.

@Bailey (Renewed Imperial Germany)
Not to mention that, under most plans I've seen, a significant time period, often measuring up to or over a year, of 'Real Life Experience' is needed to have Sex Reassignment Surgery, which requires the individual to live as their identified gender for that period of time, and a part of that is using the restroom for their gender.

Sometimes its even three years. I think in the UK its mandated as three years under the NHS.

[Neutraligon]

Governor McCrory reveals how the law will be enforced - Dedicated hotline for reporting people in the wrong toilet.

So umm how is that supposed to do anything? It's not like the police can get there before the trans person has used the toilet and moved on... How is that enforcement?

[Neutraligon]

It says to a male, who never onc
I got 50-50% Quiz apparently only deals with the binary.

[Grenartia]

I know, right? Dividing bathrooms by sex/gender just isn't even cost efficient.

There's also the issue of space and the money required to open and operate more divisions of bathrooms. There are costs.

1. It will be more expensive to close and refurbish existing divisions that it will be to simply leave them as they are.

2. And no matter if transsexuals are allowed in the wrong bathroom or not, 3. there will be people who will be uncomfortable with obvious members of the opposite sex sharing the same bathroom as them. 4. This is unavoidable.

1. Not necessarily. All it would really require is a change of signage.

2. By wrong bathroom, you mean the one NC requires we use.

3. Riddle me this: Why should their comfort come at the cost of our safety?

4. Perhaps they need their own restroom?

[Olthar]

And no matter if transsexuals are allowed in the wrong bathroom or not, there will be people who will be uncomfortable with obvious members of the opposite sex sharing the same bathroom as them. This is unavoidable.

It would literally only take one generation of kids growing up with unisex bathrooms to completely eliminate such feelings. Then it would just be the old people talking nostalgically about segregation. Just like how people today aren't uncomfortable sharing a classroom with members of another race.