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by Community Values » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:43 am
by Setgavarius » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:44 am
Ifreann wrote:In addition to the content of the bill, I think the Republican Party, the party of freedom and small government, deserves a round of applause for dictating to municipalities what anti-discrimination and minimum wage laws they may pass.
by Ceres-Vesta » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:45 am
Ifreann wrote:In addition to the content of the bill, I think the Republican Party, the party of freedom and small government, deserves a round of applause for dictating to municipalities what anti-discrimination and minimum wage laws they may pass.
by Boineburg » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:45 am
Lady Scylla wrote:Boineburg wrote:
I guess I'll just remind everyone that this bill nullifies anti-discrimination laws passed by local governments beneath the NC state government. It's not specifically trying to enforce any laws prohibiting transgenders from using whatever restroom they want.The session, which was abruptly convened by Republican lawmakers on Tuesday, came in response to an antidiscrimination ordinance approved by the state’s largest city, Charlotte, last month. That ordinance provided protections based on sexual orientation, gender expression and gender identity, including letting transgender people use the public bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity, not gender at birth.
The state bill, put together so quickly that many lawmakers had not seen it before it was introduced Wednesday morning, specifically bars people in North Carolina from using bathrooms that do not match their birth gender, and goes further to prohibit municipalities from creating their own antidiscrimination policies. Instead, it creates a statewide antidiscrimination policy — one that does not mention gay and transgender people.
by Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:46 am
Des-Bal wrote:Lady Scylla wrote:
Which, essentially means it's unenforceable. Trans peeps are extremely 'convincing', so unless you're walking around in a dress with a Paul Bunyan on your face, it's unlikely any eyebrows will be raised.
They really aren't especially if they didn't partake in surgery or hormones at a young age. I am not convinced the policies would be impossible to enforce.
by Vassenor » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:46 am
by Des-Bal » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:47 am
Vassenor wrote:So how do you enforce it then?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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by Ceres-Vesta » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:48 am
Community Values wrote:A bit more pressure on those owning the bathroom to make the stall walls a bit higher?
by Crockerland » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:49 am
by Des-Bal » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:50 am
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:50 am
Crockerland wrote:This is not an anti-LGBT bill. Anyone can change the sex on their birth certificate.
http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/transgender/changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations
North Carolina
Statute: N.C. Gen. Stat. §§ 130A-118(b)(4), (e) (2005).
Text: (b) A new certificate of birth shall be made by the State Registrar when . . .
(4) A written request from an individual is received by the State Registrar to change the sex on that individual's birth record because of sex reassignment surgery, if the request is accompanied by a notarized statement from the physician who performed the sex reassignment surgery or from a physician licensed to practice medicine who has examined the individual and can certify that the person has undergone sex reassignment surgery.
by Vassenor » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:50 am
Crockerland wrote:This is not an anti-LGBT bill. Anyone can change the sex on their birth certificate.
http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/transgender/changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations
by Mithridia » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:51 am
by Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:51 am
Des-Bal wrote:
If I was arguing that no transgender person made a convincing transition that would be totally relevant. I am saying that those results are not the norm.
by Des-Bal » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:51 am
Ceres-Vesta wrote:Yeah, could we just do that? That'd be great. You should see some of the stalls at the buildings on the NC State Fairgrounds. I swear, people can see up to your stomach through those.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Philjia » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:52 am
Crockerland wrote:This is not an anti-LGBT bill. Anyone can change the sex on their birth certificate.
http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/transgender/changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations
by Khadgar » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:53 am
Mithridia wrote:I can see it now; Police waiting by bathroom doors to grab crotches in the name of the law, breaking another in the name of justice.
by Diopolis » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:54 am
by Ifreann » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:54 am
Boineburg wrote:Lady Scylla wrote:
Which, essentially means it's unenforceable. Trans peeps are extremely 'convincing', so unless you're walking around in a dress with a Paul Bunyan on your face, it's unlikely any eyebrows will be raised.
I guess I'll just remind everyone that this bill nullifies anti-discrimination laws passed by local governments beneath the NC state government. It's not specifically trying to enforce any laws prohibiting transgenders from using whatever restroom they want.
by Philjia » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 am
Diopolis wrote:The men's and women's bathrooms correspond to sex, not gender. That's why they're different because of the plumbing they're designed to handle, not they're color scheme. The sooner people get this in their heads, the sooner we can put this behind us.
by Setgavarius » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 am
Diopolis wrote:The men's and women's bathrooms correspond to sex, not gender. That's why they're different because of the plumbing they're designed to handle, not they're color scheme. The sooner people get this in their heads, the sooner we can put this behind us.
by Wallenburg » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 am
by Boineburg » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 am
Ifreann wrote:Boineburg wrote:
I guess I'll just remind everyone that this bill nullifies anti-discrimination laws passed by local governments beneath the NC state government. It's not specifically trying to enforce any laws prohibiting transgenders from using whatever restroom they want.
Here[pdf] is the text of the bill. Rather looks to me like the section added to Article 37 of Chapter 115C of the General Statutes and the new Chapter 81 of Article 143 do prohibit trans people from using bathrooms based on their gender identity.
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