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Postby Community Values » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:43 am

If this law is for stopping a male from going into the female bathroom and gawking, surely it wouldn't be hard to be more active about making the individual more aware about how to look for hidden cameras, and maybe a bit more pressure on those owning the bathroom to make the stall walls a bit higher? I've seen no reason for the bathroom walls to be open at the bottom and at the top.
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Postby Setgavarius » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:44 am

Ifreann wrote:In addition to the content of the bill, I think the Republican Party, the party of freedom and small government, deserves a round of applause for dictating to municipalities what anti-discrimination and minimum wage laws they may pass.

Government's size is determined by how much money they spend on poor lazy people, and freedom is the amount of personal prejudices you can enforce without government interference, Ifreann.
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Postby Ceres-Vesta » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:45 am

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New Chilokver wrote:Clearly the solution is to replace all segregated bathrooms with unisex stalls. *nods*


But the sexual predators will be everywhere :o


Not if you have those fancy stalls that are basically just separate rooms. At that point, it becomes a bunch of tiny little bathrooms and a giant room full of a bunch of sinks. My only problem with letting straight cis people enter the restroom of the opposite sex because "Trust me, I'm transgender" is that all the public restrooms save for ones in very well-funded buildings have stalls with doors that just barely shield your crotch from everyone outside. If people could bite the bullet and buy some actual doors, there would be no problem with any of this. Would probably be cheaper in the long run too.

Ifreann wrote:In addition to the content of the bill, I think the Republican Party, the party of freedom and small government, deserves a round of applause for dictating to municipalities what anti-discrimination and minimum wage laws they may pass.


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Postby Boineburg » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:45 am

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I guess I'll just remind everyone that this bill nullifies anti-discrimination laws passed by local governments beneath the NC state government. It's not specifically trying to enforce any laws prohibiting transgenders from using whatever restroom they want.


The session, which was abruptly convened by Republican lawmakers on Tuesday, came in response to an antidiscrimination ordinance approved by the state’s largest city, Charlotte, last month. That ordinance provided protections based on sexual orientation, gender expression and gender identity, including letting transgender people use the public bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity, not gender at birth.

The state bill, put together so quickly that many lawmakers had not seen it before it was introduced Wednesday morning, specifically bars people in North Carolina from using bathrooms that do not match their birth gender, and goes further to prohibit municipalities from creating their own antidiscrimination policies. Instead, it creates a statewide antidiscrimination policy — one that does not mention gay and transgender people.


I fail to see how this does anything but support my argument

EDIT: Fine, I concede defeat here. I was wrong.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:46 am

Des-Bal wrote:
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Which, essentially means it's unenforceable. Trans peeps are extremely 'convincing', so unless you're walking around in a dress with a Paul Bunyan on your face, it's unlikely any eyebrows will be raised.


They really aren't especially if they didn't partake in surgery or hormones at a young age. I am not convinced the policies would be impossible to enforce.


Hmm.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:46 am

Boineburg wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:


I fail to see how this does anything but support my argument


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>quote about how it is about exactly that

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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:46 am

Boineburg wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:


I fail to see how this does anything but support my argument


It would appear you can't read, then.

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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:47 am

Vassenor wrote:So how do you enforce it then?


The same way sex segregation currently works. Someone either sees you go into a bathroom they think you ought not to be going into or someone inside complains. I think that sex segregation is the issue and focusing on other things is probably missing the point.
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Postby Ceres-Vesta » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:48 am

Community Values wrote:A bit more pressure on those owning the bathroom to make the stall walls a bit higher?


Yeah, could we just do that? That'd be great. You should see some of the stalls at the buildings on the NC State Fairgrounds. I swear, people can see up to your stomach through those.

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Postby Crockerland » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:49 am

This is not an anti-LGBT bill. Anyone can change the sex on their birth certificate.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:50 am



If I was arguing that no transgender person made a convincing transition that would be totally relevant. I am saying that those results are not the norm.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:50 am

Crockerland wrote:This is not an anti-LGBT bill. Anyone can change the sex on their birth certificate.
http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/transgender/changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations


So I was correct then.

Furthermore;

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Statute: N.C. Gen. Stat. §§ 130A-118(b)(4), (e) (2005).

Text: (b) A new certificate of birth shall be made by the State Registrar when . . .

(4) A written request from an individual is received by the State Registrar to change the sex on that individual's birth record because of sex reassignment surgery, if the request is accompanied by a notarized statement from the physician who performed the sex reassignment surgery or from a physician licensed to practice medicine who has examined the individual and can certify that the person has undergone sex reassignment surgery.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:50 am

Crockerland wrote:This is not an anti-LGBT bill. Anyone can change the sex on their birth certificate.
http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/transgender/changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations


Because people are totally going to present their birth certificate when they want to use a toilet.
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Postby Mithridia » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:51 am

I can see it now; Police waiting by bathroom doors to grab crotches in the name of the law, breaking another in the name of justice.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:51 am

Des-Bal wrote:


If I was arguing that no transgender person made a convincing transition that would be totally relevant. I am saying that those results are not the norm.


I disagree.

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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:51 am

Ceres-Vesta wrote:Yeah, could we just do that? That'd be great. You should see some of the stalls at the buildings on the NC State Fairgrounds. I swear, people can see up to your stomach through those.

There's also no fucking reason for an inch and a half of space between the door and the stall.
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Postby Philjia » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:52 am

Crockerland wrote:This is not an anti-LGBT bill. Anyone can change the sex on their birth certificate.
http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/transgender/changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations


Some states have arbitrary bullshit laws demanding you live as your preferred gender publically for a certain time.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:53 am

Mithridia wrote:I can see it now; Police waiting by bathroom doors to grab crotches in the name of the law, breaking another in the name of justice.


Wouldn't work. They'd have to check birth certificates.

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Postby Diopolis » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:54 am

The men's and women's bathrooms correspond to sex, not gender. That's why they're different because of the plumbing they're designed to handle, not they're color scheme. The sooner people get this in their heads, the sooner we can put this behind us.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:54 am

Boineburg wrote:
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Which, essentially means it's unenforceable. Trans peeps are extremely 'convincing', so unless you're walking around in a dress with a Paul Bunyan on your face, it's unlikely any eyebrows will be raised.


I guess I'll just remind everyone that this bill nullifies anti-discrimination laws passed by local governments beneath the NC state government. It's not specifically trying to enforce any laws prohibiting transgenders from using whatever restroom they want.

Here[pdf] is the text of the bill. Rather looks to me like the section added to Article 37 of Chapter 115C of the General Statutes and the new Chapter 81 of Article 143 do prohibit trans people from using bathrooms based on their gender identity.
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Postby Philjia » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 am

Diopolis wrote:The men's and women's bathrooms correspond to sex, not gender. That's why they're different because of the plumbing they're designed to handle, not they're color scheme. The sooner people get this in their heads, the sooner we can put this behind us.


But most trans women aren't going to be using the urinals anyway.
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Postby Setgavarius » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 am

Diopolis wrote:The men's and women's bathrooms correspond to sex, not gender. That's why they're different because of the plumbing they're designed to handle, not they're color scheme. The sooner people get this in their heads, the sooner we can put this behind us.

Down with segregated bathrooms.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 am

Another red state hates equal rights. More at 11.
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Postby Boineburg » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
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I guess I'll just remind everyone that this bill nullifies anti-discrimination laws passed by local governments beneath the NC state government. It's not specifically trying to enforce any laws prohibiting transgenders from using whatever restroom they want.

Here[pdf] is the text of the bill. Rather looks to me like the section added to Article 37 of Chapter 115C of the General Statutes and the new Chapter 81 of Article 143 do prohibit trans people from using bathrooms based on their gender identity.


Thanks for completely ignoring my open withdrawal of that claim and continuing to argue pointlessly against it.
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