American Gun Laws

[Great Carlistan]

Yes in Germany you have a lot of restrictions concerning batons, knives, anything really. To be honest, why would you need one anyway? You can have a swiss army knife, you do not really need a butterfly or a switchblade do you?

I am totally fine with my beloved russian tactical knife made in Dagestan most of the times. Usually, I always had it during field trips, mushroom huntings, hikes etc. and so sometimes just happens I have it in my boots or belt in street or train station.
I also practised with throwing knives and I bought switchblade to my girlfriend for self-defense.

Really not seeing any point why there should be any 'Knife legislation'. People needs knives or anything sharp and pointy all the time, 24/7.

I totally agree. They are incredibly useful all the time but certain knives are made specifically to hurt other people / animals. This is why there are restrictions (which of course are different for hunters). I mean, an assailant can also be held back with smaller knives (switchblades are allowed as long as the blade does not shoot out forwards or exceeds 8.5 cm or is sharpened on two sides) or other methods of defence (by which I in no way want to discredit you for protecting your girlfriend which makes sense)

[Great Carlistan]

We call it Gewaltmonopol des Staates. You have the state which is armed. The state defends the people. The people do not need to assault the state because we are a democracy.

Out of curiosity, are you referring to the police as whom the state provides to protect it's people with?

Yes indeed. As elected by the people and bound by the constitution, checked upon by the judicial branch elected by the people.

[Grinning Dragon]

What's with the European fetish of telling us Americans what are domestic policies should be? What moral high ground do you speak from? Guns are a part of American culture. Get used to it.

I own multiple firearms, and I have been properly trained on how to use them. Why should I, a law abiding citizen be forced to disarm myself over anomalies?

Well I have had the privilege of changing the minds of two Brits who come from the UK office to the US office and took them out to the range on a Saturday and watched those Brits smile each time they squeezed off a round at a target down range. And the range day trip was all by because they saw my .45 sidearm in my truck one morning at work. Once they saw in person how each weapon functioned and the many weapons of the other range users that day, they finally relented and said they could understand how us Yanks like our firearms and how much fun and friendly fellowship with one another was displayed that day as well as the attention to safety.

[Great Carlistan]

Well I have had the privilege of changing the minds of two Brits who come from the UK office to the US office and took them out to the range on a Saturday and watched those Brits smile each time they squeezed off a round at a target down range. And the range day trip was all by because they saw my .45 sidearm in my truck one morning at work. Once they saw in person how each weapon functioned and the many weapons of the other range users that day, they finally relented and said they could understand how us Yanks like our firearms and how much fun and friendly fellowship with one another was displayed that day as well as the attention to safety.

It is not all about how you like firearms and we all hate them because they are the devil's work and blah, it is about a very large ammount of gun violence and still having a population opposed to a stricter control mechanism (which does not mean that guns are prohibited). That, at least, is what makes me wonder.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Out of curiosity, are you referring to the police as whom the state provides to protect it's people with?

Yes indeed. As elected by the people and bound by the constitution, checked upon by the judicial branch elected by the people.

You do know, that the US Supreme Court has ruled that it's not the duty of the Police to protect US Citizens under their jurisdiction, no?

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes in Germany you have a lot of restrictions concerning batons, knives, anything really. To be honest, why would you need one anyway? You can have a swiss army knife, you do not really need a butterfly or a switchblade do you?

I am totally fine with my beloved russian tactical knife made in Dagestan most of the times. Usually, I always had it during field trips, mushroom huntings, hikes etc. and so sometimes just happens I have it in my boots or belt in street or train station.
I also practised with throwing knives and I bought switchblade to my girlfriend for self-defense.

Really not seeing any point why there should be any 'Knife legislation'. People needs knives or anything sharp and pointy all the time, 24/7.

In the UK you can carry a knife if you can demonstrate a reason for you to have it. You do not need to justify a knife shorter than three inches blade, so stuff like stanley knives, folding cutters and the like.

[Greed and Death]

It's not a gun fetish unless they are sexually aroused by guns.

An accurate though I think overly narrow definition of fetish.

In this case fetish is being used to say they do not understand rationality for valuing gun ownership to the extent they do.

[Great Carlistan]

Yes indeed. As elected by the people and bound by the constitution, checked upon by the judicial branch elected by the people.

You do know, that the US Supreme Court has ruled that it's not the duty of the Police to protect US Citizens under their jurisdiction, no?

Actually I did not and I am very sorry to hear it. In that case needing a gun to protect yourself would make sense. Then why on earth is there a police force?

[Grinning Dragon]

Well I have had the privilege of changing the minds of two Brits who come from the UK office to the US office and took them out to the range on a Saturday and watched those Brits smile each time they squeezed off a round at a target down range. And the range day trip was all by because they saw my .45 sidearm in my truck one morning at work. Once they saw in person how each weapon functioned and the many weapons of the other range users that day, they finally relented and said they could understand how us Yanks like our firearms and how much fun and friendly fellowship with one another was displayed that day as well as the attention to safety.

It is not all about how you like firearms and we all hate them because they are the devil's work and blah, it is about a very large amount of gun violence and still having a population opposed to a stricter control mechanism (which does not mean that guns are prohibited). That, at least, is what makes me wonder.

Those two had a negative view of firearms, until that day. And came away from it, being educated by many of the range users as well as the ROs and the laws regarding them here. They will be back this summer and have already sent me an email indicating that they want to go back to the range for more trigger time.
Either way, their view on firearm ownership has changed dramatically since their first encounter.

[Colony of Tribute]

It's not a gun fetish unless they are sexually aroused by guns.

An accurate though I think overly narrow definition of fetish.

In this case fetish is being used to say they do not understand rationality for valuing gun ownership to the extent they do.

It is completely rational for us to value guns as much as we do. It is apart of our culture as a nation.

[Greed and Death]

Yes indeed. As elected by the people and bound by the constitution, checked upon by the judicial branch elected by the people.

You do know, that the US Supreme Court has ruled that it's not the duty of the Police to protect US Citizens under their jurisdiction, no?

Duty is a legal term related to tort law. Basically it means you can not sue the police officer, police department, of govnerment for failure to protect you.

This does not change the general assistant police officers are expected and do provide in times of crisis.

[Imperializt Russia]

You do know, that the US Supreme Court has ruled that it's not the duty of the Police to protect US Citizens under their jurisdiction, no?

Actually I did not and I am very sorry to hear it. In that case needing a gun to protect yourself would make sense. Then why on earth is there a police force?

The role of the police is to maintain law and order.
Typically, this will involve protecting US citizens.

However, they are not under a duty to protect citizens above all else.

[Greed and Death]

An accurate though I think overly narrow definition of fetish.

In this case fetish is being used to say they do not understand rationality for valuing gun ownership to the extent they do.

It is completely rational for us to value guns as much as we do. It is apart of our culture as a nation.

Do not argue with me I like firearms.

The gun control group however sees culture as a weak argument vs less firearms = less firearms deaths.

[Colony of Tribute]

It is completely rational for us to value guns as much as we do. It is apart of our culture as a nation.

Do not argue with me I like firearms.

The gun control group however sees culture as a weak argument vs less firearms = less firearms deaths.

In America that is untrue, in the places were we have the least firearms we have the most crimes, and the most deaths. While some law abiding citizens might turn their guns in, no criminal would.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

It is completely rational for us to value guns as much as we do. It is apart of our culture as a nation.

Do not argue with me I like firearms.

The gun control group however sees culture as a weak argument vs less firearms = less firearms deaths.

frankly I put the civil liberties of the nation's citizens above the lives of gun violence victims

[Imperializt Russia]

Do not argue with me I like firearms.

The gun control group however sees culture as a weak argument vs less firearms = less firearms deaths.

In America that is untrue, in the places were we have the least firearms we have the most crimes, and the most deaths. While some law abiding citizens might turn their guns in, no criminal would.

In the UK where we have four million privately owned firearms, strict licensing with severe penalties, and do not see "self-defence" as legitimate reason to own a firearm (except NI) - we've somehow managed to keep firearm crime, firearm deaths absurdly low and mass shootings nonexistent by comparison to the US.

And I believe this is far more due to culture than the measures of gun control we actually have.
American gun culture stinks.

[The Conez Imperium]

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

Well I can see why the NRA are so powerful using that mentality.

[Jamzmania]

Yes indeed. As elected by the people and bound by the constitution, checked upon by the judicial branch elected by the people.

You do know, that the US Supreme Court has ruled that it's not the duty of the Police to protect US Citizens under their jurisdiction, no?

People seem to take that as meaning that the police will let civilians be killed right in front of them and then only interfere afterwards to arrest the murderer or something. The purpose of the police is to enforce the law. What is the law? It is what protects the people. The police are not supposed to be the personal bodyguard of each citizen. They prevent and help punish crime.

[Jamzmania]

In America that is untrue, in the places were we have the least firearms we have the most crimes, and the most deaths. While some law abiding citizens might turn their guns in, no criminal would.

In the UK where we have four million privately owned firearms, strict licensing with severe penalties, and do not see "self-defence" as legitimate reason to own a firearm (except NI) - we've somehow managed to keep firearm crime, firearm deaths absurdly low and mass shootings nonexistent by comparison to the US.

And I believe this is far more due to culture than the measures of gun control we actually have.
American gun culture stinks.

Would you like to explain what exactly you think is "gun culture" and how that affects crime?

[Great Carlistan]

People seem to take that as meaning that the police will let civilians be killed right in front of them and then only interfere afterwards to arrest the murderer or something. The purpose of the police is to enforce the law. What is the law? It is what protects the people. The police are not supposed to be the personal bodyguard of each citizen. They prevent and help punish crime.

In other words they do protect the people because they must prevent violence for instance.

[Patridam]

You do know, that the US Supreme Court has ruled that it's not the duty of the Police to protect US Citizens under their jurisdiction, no?

People seem to take that as meaning that the police will let civilians be killed right in front of them and then only interfere afterwards to arrest the murderer or something. The purpose of the police is to enforce the law. What is the law? It is what protects the people. The police are not supposed to be the personal bodyguard of each citizen. They prevent and help punish crime.

Except when the law doesn't help and protect people, and instead hurts more than helps. Even hen the law is in the right the police are often powerless to help, or are, worse, unwilling to help.

[Great Carlistan]

People seem to take that as meaning that the police will let civilians be killed right in front of them and then only interfere afterwards to arrest the murderer or something. The purpose of the police is to enforce the law. What is the law? It is what protects the people. The police are not supposed to be the personal bodyguard of each citizen. They prevent and help punish crime.

Except when the law doesn't help and protect people, and instead hurts more than helps. Even hen the law is in the right the police are often powerless to help, or are, worse, unwilling to help.

An interesting point. Do you have any specific examples for laws hurting the people more than actually aiding them?

[Big Jim P]

Thanks to the 2nd amendment and the damn conservatives having obsessions with guns, people in America just want to have more and more guns. Heck, there's enough guns for every man, woman and child to have in the U.S.

And sales are at a record pace. Some 20 million a month of late. We are at approximately 400 million in circulation and could double that in 20 months. This is a good thing.

[Big Jim P]

Jesus, I'm nowhere near the pro-gun side of it (more the "I don't think it's a good idea but whatever" side of it) and I think you're going too far there.

I just hate it when gun nuts flaunt. Like ok you have 10 killing machines....

A bare bones basic battery is three guns. Ten barely reach into the collection range.

[Big Jim P]

I wish I had 10.

I have over 40, with plans to expand upon that in the next few months. I mainly collect vintage military firearms that have documented historical value as investments, but I also collect various modern firearms that peek my interests and suite my day to day needs. I also reload as a hobby, as well as a cost effective means for replacing some hard to find cartridges that you can't exactly find on a regular basis, and have nearly 15,000 loaded rounds with another 10-15k ish waiting to be reloaded that I can't be arsed into doing now that winter has hit and I can't shoot as often anymore.

I can only imagine, the internal hemorrhaging that must be going on with some on the forums here after reading that.

Waits to be called violent mass murder or other such nonsense again in 5...4...3...

I have a goal: to catch up to your collection.