American Gun Laws

[Fanosolia]

and you might want to reconsider who you think is illogical if yore ever in a mass shooting. Because the last thing you'll think, is that you wish you had a gun to stop him before he killed you.

The first thing you will think is to survive by running(which is logical) but don't sit there and act like none of those people in the paris attacks would have passed by having a gun put in their hand.

You know random question before I got to bed... how effective would that actually be? I'll be honest this sort of thought has made me reconsider some of my positions with guns.

[North Calaveras]

The first thing you will think is to survive by running(which is logical) but don't sit there and act like none of those people in the paris attacks would have passed by having a gun put in their hand.

You know random question before I got to bed... how effective would that actually be? I'll be honest this sort of thought has made me reconsider some of my positions with guns.

a lot more effective than waiting for a bullet in your head. At the very least you would cause panic allowing people to escape as the shooters will be to busy taking cover or returning fire.

Even by some miraculous tragedy you missed and even killed 10 freindly people, it would have been worth it to kill the shooters considering the death toll.

[Grinning Dragon]

All guns should be banned.

Nah.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

And banning weapons isn't fascist? Assault rifles are heavily regulated, or did you mean the made up scary name "Assault weapons" ? What constitutes "high caliber"?

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themselves.

Why just a handgun? Rifles, shotguns are also excellent defensive weapons. Why is protecting oneself fear-mongering?

You don't need an assault rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Need is irrelevant and entirely subjective.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

Whaaaat? There is such a thing now a days? Huh, never heard of them /sarc

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apocalypse! lol xD

When said change reduces my ability to buy/use/access tools to hunt, target shoot, self protection, yeah, I kinda get a little miffed at the loss.

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually completely unreasonable, and illogical.

Umm, ok thanks for stopping by.

[North Calaveras]

All guns should be banned.

Nah.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

And banning weapons isn't fascist? Assault rifles are heavily regulated, or did you mean the made up scary name "Assault weapons" ? What constitutes "high caliber"?

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themselves.

Why just a handgun? Rifles, shotguns are also excellent defensive weapons. Why is protecting oneself fear-mongering?

You don't need an assault rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Need is irrelevant and entirely subjective.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

Whaaaat? There is such a thing now a days? Huh, never heard of them /sarc

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apocalypse! lol xD

When said change reduces my ability to buy/use/access tools to hunt, target shoot, self protection, yeah, I kinda get a little miffed at the loss.

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually completely unreasonable, and illogical.

Umm, ok thanks for stopping by.

^

[Major-Tom]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

So, advocating for the ability to purchase a firearm without excessive government regulation is radical?

Who put drugs in your wheaties, christ.

[Coolidge-Eisenhower]

I am 100 percent in support of the right to keep and bear arms. That is enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and our national values as Americans. That Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are both fear mongering based on recent events is a bad thing -- and no different from demagogues like Trump fear mongering against innocent Muslim Americans because of terror attacks.

[Vaikneland]

The first thing you will think is to survive by running(which is logical) but don't sit there and act like none of those people in the paris attacks would have passed by having a gun put in their hand.

You know random question before I got to bed... how effective would that actually be? I'll be honest this sort of thought has made me reconsider some of my positions with guns.

As in, becoming in favour of them? If you are that's good, because I've never really reasoned with someone on guns because people usually ignore what I explain to them because they're so stubborn XD

[North Calaveras]

I am 100 percent in support of the right to keep and bear arms. That is enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and our national values as Americans. That Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are both fear mongering based on recent events is a bad thing -- and no different from demagogues like Trump fear mongering against innocent Muslim Americans because of terror attacks.

I can agree with this, they both cause fear mongering

trump with mulims

hilary/sanders with guns

[Porcfest]

All guns should be banned.

Nah.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

And banning weapons isn't fascist? Assault rifles are heavily regulated, or did you mean the made up scary name "Assault weapons" ? What constitutes "high caliber"?

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themselves.

Why just a handgun? Rifles, shotguns are also excellent defensive weapons. Why is protecting oneself fear-mongering?

You don't need an assault rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Need is irrelevant and entirely subjective.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

Whaaaat? There is such a thing now a days? Huh, never heard of them /sarc

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apocalypse! lol xD

When said change reduces my ability to buy/use/access tools to hunt, target shoot, self protection, yeah, I kinda get a little miffed at the loss.

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually completely unreasonable, and illogical.

Umm, ok thanks for stopping by.

Excellent breakdown of the common collectivist/statist argument in favor of prohibiting the private ownership of anything.

[Senkaku]

Why just a handgun? Rifles, shotguns are also excellent defensive weapons. Why is protecting oneself fear-mongering?

It always bothers me when people say they have their gun to "protect themselves". Are you carrying it everywhere you go? If you have other people living in your house, or children, are you just leaving it out so you can access it quickly? If it's in a gun safe at home or locked in a compartment in your car, it's probably not gonna be much help. Sure, after getting mugged or something you might think "well if I'd have a gun I could've shown that fellow what for, hmmm?", but the reality is even if you own a gun you're not gonna be carrying it around with you everywhere, because doing so is not just impractical but also paranoid and a bit dangerous.

[North Calaveras]

Why just a handgun? Rifles, shotguns are also excellent defensive weapons. Why is protecting oneself fear-mongering?

It always bothers me when people say they have their gun to "protect themselves". Are you carrying it everywhere you go? If you have other people living in your house, or children, are you just leaving it out so you can access it quickly? If it's in a gun safe at home or locked in a compartment in your car, it's probably not gonna be much help. Sure, after getting mugged or something you might think "well if I'd have a gun I could've shown that fellow what for, hmmm?", but the reality is even if you own a gun you're not gonna be carrying it around with you everywhere, because doing so is not just impractical but also paranoid and a bit dangerous.

lets go over the bolded one at a time.

1. MANY people CCW everywhere they go

2. Most of the reason for that is dumb gun laws preventing them from being accessible.

3.Again, many people do carry legally. It is practical(as survivors can attest) as well as NOT being paranoid or dangerous.

[Breaking Benjamins Benjamin Burnley]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

You better watch your tongue there, Liberal. You're not in Europe anymore when you come to my forum.

I'm American lol. That's one thing i'm certainly not proud of.

[Major-Tom]

You better watch your tongue there, Liberal. You're not in Europe anymore when you come to my forum.

I'm American lol. That's one thing i'm certainly not proud of.

Damn shame.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Haha, I often feel the same way about liberals. However I don't think I have verbally abused anyone thus far, nor have I witnessed any personal insults or things of that nature. Honestly I wish more liberals would argue in favor of gun control, it would give me a chance to (hopefully) trounce lib view points.

Obviously you've never been around for the times when even suggesting small changes to regulations got you labelled a "gun grabber".

To be fair that generally happens because most suggestions are REALLY stupid and most people don't know a whole lot on the topic.

Why just a handgun? Rifles, shotguns are also excellent defensive weapons. Why is protecting oneself fear-mongering?

It always bothers me when people say they have their gun to "protect themselves". Are you carrying it everywhere you go? If you have other people living in your house, or children, are you just leaving it out so you can access it quickly? If it's in a gun safe at home or locked in a compartment in your car, it's probably not gonna be much help. Sure, after getting mugged or something you might think "well if I'd have a gun I could've shown that fellow what for, hmmm?", but the reality is even if you own a gun you're not gonna be carrying it around with you everywhere, because doing so is not just impractical but also paranoid and a bit dangerous.

I carry a gun whenever I go out yes, a Glock 26 to be exact (probably changing it out for a 33 in the near future). Likewise at home I leave it loaded (not chambered) on my desk and I likewise have my SKS sitting near my bed loaded (not chambered). Many people do carry most places they go.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You better watch your tongue there, Liberal. You're not in Europe anymore when you come to my forum.

I'm American lol. That's one thing i'm certainly not proud of.

Feel free to leave, we certainly won't mind. It also wouldn't hurt if you got more educated on topics before you came in spewing nonsense.

[Grinning Dragon]

Why just a handgun? Rifles, shotguns are also excellent defensive weapons. Why is protecting oneself fear-mongering?

It always bothers me when people say they have their gun to "protect themselves". Are you carrying it everywhere you go? If you have other people living in your house, or children, are you just leaving it out so you can access it quickly? If it's in a gun safe at home or locked in a compartment in your car, it's probably not gonna be much help. Sure, after getting mugged or something you might think "well if I'd have a gun I could've shown that fellow what for, hmmm?", but the reality is even if you own a gun you're not gonna be carrying it around with you everywhere, because doing so is not just impractical but also paranoid and a bit dangerous.

Why would it bother you so? Why does a law enforcement officer carry one? (just to preempt) why is his/her life more important than that of another that isn't law enforcement? Does someone who has fire extinguishers/smoke-fire detectors, in the kitchen/garage/ other areas, make one paranoid of a fire?
I usually do carry where I go, and where acceptable. Yes, I do have other people living here, and yes there are children. Currently my sidearm is out, the rest are in a safe.

I carry based on the theory of, its best to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. I train, and take firearm defensive classes. Recognize when its best to just leave an area that might become confrontational and remove oneself and reduce the chance of getting into a defensive shooting, but sometimes that chance is reduced to the point one may have to fight.

[Washington Resistance Army]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

Just for sheer fun I'd like to point out that assault rifles are already de facto banned under the National Firearms Act, Gun Control Act of 1968 and Firearms Owners Protection Act.

Likewise the semi-automatic versions of those rifles are by far the least likely to be used in crime. The most used is handguns by quite a massive lead, I hate to break it to you but those scurry black guns with high capacity magazine clips, folding shoulder thingies and barrel shrouds are pretty much the last thing you should be going after

[Senkaku]

1. MANY people CCW everywhere they go/3.Again, many people do carry legally. It is practical(as survivors can attest) as well as NOT being paranoid or dangerous.
2. Most of the reason for that is dumb gun laws preventing them from being accessible.

2. The laws that prevent children from accidentally blowing someone's brains out or prevent teenagers from committing suicide are "dumb"? I hate to tell you, but little kids do stupid shit sometimes, and when they have deadly weapons designed to kill adults to fuck around with, there a whole lot of ways for that to go wrong. Then you have someone who's depressed or someone whose kid is depressed. I'd much rather there be a safe between them and a gun than having them blow their brains out on the spot instead of thinking things through or getting help or being stopped.

1/3. These are basically the same thing.
I'm aware a lot of people CCW. My school was locked down very memorably because some fucknut decided it'd be a bright idea to go jogging on the jogging trail near us with a pistol, and he had a CCW permit and all that bullshit and wanted to "protect himself" while he was out jogging in broad daylight.
And I would argue that yes, carrying a gun everywhere you go is both dangerous and paranoid. Let me elaborate some of the reasons why I think this.

It takes alarmingly little training to get a CCW permit, so once you have your concealed carry and you're lugging your pistol everywhere in your bag, if you get mugged, suddenly you're waving a gun around, escalating an already bad situation, and you might just end up shooting a bystander or something. Or create a false alarm and get yourself shot (which almost happened to the idiot jogging by my school).

It's a bad idea as well because sometimes people get agitated over weird things. See: the shit bus drivers have to deal with all the time, drunk people, people who've just had a major emotional event acting weird. People who do stupid things are dangerous, but when people do stupid things with guns, they go from a funny story to tell to your friends a few days later to a police account you're wheezing to an officer while hooked up to a dozen IVs in the hospital. (And please don't tell me if everyone had a gun, things like that would be avoided- not only would more people doing stupid things now be doing them with guns, but the masses of poorly trained civilians coming under fire would probably react by shooting at anything that moved.)

Finally, I do consider it paranoid. The incredibly vast majority of the time, all having a gun does is add a dangerous variable into literally every situation you put yourself into. You don't need it while you're taking the bus or driving to work. You don't need it at a restaurant or meeting friends for drinks or going for a jog past a school. You definitely don't need it when you're just walking around your house, especially if you have kids who might get their little paws on it and shoot their own legs off or accidentally blow your neighbor's brains out.

You may say "well if you have a home invasion or you get mugged then you'll be happy you had a gun", but I personally think that for every robber or mugger who got served some nice hot lead to the face, you'd have ten people who get upset and pull out their gun and do something stupid and horrible, and maybe another five kids who accidentally shoot their parents. Even with the gun laws we have now, we still have shit like this all the time. The firearm death rate in the United States is astronomical compared to other developed nations however you choose to look at the statistics. There are ways to alleviate this, but any time anything besides "more guns" is suggested, the NRA and gun rights lobby shuts it down and screeches like a banshee on crack about how the left wants to take yer guns. What bothers me even more is that even research into gun deaths has been prohibited- it seems because the gun lobby knows it would lead to unfavorable conclusions.


I'm not someone who proposes banning all guns, because I think stuff like hunting is important (not a fan myself but different strokes for different folks) and I do think shooting is frankly just fun. But we do not need to encourage more Americans to carry guns everywhere they go and risk having them do fucktarded things with them or- even worse- putting other people in a position to do terrible things with them (see: kids shooting their parents because of their parents' carelessness), given the number of people we already have getting shot every day.

However, and I cannot stress this enough, as long as the CDC can't do research into this shit, we will both simply continue to have our opinions. I have my data, which I believe justifies my opinion. You don't believe it/have your own, but what we need to do is at least allow the government to do research into gun violence and gun deaths and collect data. Maybe if the CDC does five years of research they'll find that contrary to everything I've read until now that gun death rates seem to be lower among the areas with the highest gun ownership and exposure to gun culture. Thus far, data collected by other groups seems to indicate otherwise, but the CDC can provide empirical, scientific studies, collect data, analyze it, and provide unbiased and entirely factual advice to the White House and Congress about what they think should be done.

Meanwhile, while official research into something that kills thousands of Americans every year continues to be blocked, people are getting shot.

[Porcfest]

Why just a handgun? Rifles, shotguns are also excellent defensive weapons. Why is protecting oneself fear-mongering?

It always bothers me when people say they have their gun to "protect themselves". Are you carrying it everywhere you go? If you have other people living in your house, or children, are you just leaving it out so you can access it quickly? If it's in a gun safe at home or locked in a compartment in your car, it's probably not gonna be much help. Sure, after getting mugged or something you might think "well if I'd have a gun I could've shown that fellow what for, hmmm?", but the reality is even if you own a gun you're not gonna be carrying it around with you everywhere, because doing so is not just impractical but also paranoid and a bit dangerous.

This is ridiculous. I carry literally everyday. No one will every know that I carry. I don't have to tell anyone that I carry. It's anything but impractical or dangerous.

[Kington Langley]

If the United Kingdom, along with the vast majority of the developed world for that matter, can function perfectly fine without allowing its citizens to buy machine guns at the local supermarket why can't the United States? So what if I don't have the freedom to walk into my local Waitrose with a loaded assault rifle strapped to my back? The fact that many people in the United States actually see this as a necessity to protect themselves only proves to me that unrestricted gun ownership is an utterly ludicrous concept!

[Washington Resistance Army]

If the United Kingdom, along with the vast majority of the developed world for that matter, can function perfectly fine without allowing its citizens to buy machine guns at the local supermarket why can't the United States? So what if I don't have the freedom to walk into my local Waitrose with a loaded assault rifle strapped to my back? The fact that many people in the United States actually see this as a necessity to protect themselves only proves to me that unrestricted gun ownership is an utterly ludicrous concept!

You can't buy machine guns at the local supermarket.

[North Calaveras]

If the United Kingdom, along with the vast majority of the developed world for that matter, can function perfectly fine without allowing its citizens to buy machine guns at the local supermarket why can't the United States? So what if I don't have the freedom to walk into my local Waitrose with a loaded assault rifle strapped to my back? The fact that many people in the United States actually see this as a necessity to protect themselves only proves to me that unrestricted gun ownership is an utterly ludicrous concept!

Many people live just fine in places like arizona to, with guns, so your point?

[Kington Langley]

If the United Kingdom, along with the vast majority of the developed world for that matter, can function perfectly fine without allowing its citizens to buy machine guns at the local supermarket why can't the United States? So what if I don't have the freedom to walk into my local Waitrose with a loaded assault rifle strapped to my back? The fact that many people in the United States actually see this as a necessity to protect themselves only proves to me that unrestricted gun ownership is an utterly ludicrous concept!

You can't buy machine guns at the local supermarket.

Maybe. But the fact that you CAN buy guns at the local supermarket at all is totally baffling to me!

[North Calaveras]

You can't buy machine guns at the local supermarket.

Maybe. But the fact that you CAN buy guns at the local supermarket at all is totally baffling to me!

and it baffles me that you cant...

[Washington Resistance Army]

You can't buy machine guns at the local supermarket.

Maybe. But the fact that you CAN buy guns at the local supermarket at all is totally baffling to me!

Actually you can't buy guns at the local supermarket, at least not anywhere I'm aware. To legally sell guns a business must hold a Federal Firearms License, which isn't something supermarkets tend to have.

Likewise about the machine gun thing, they're already de facto banned (don't worry, we're trying to reverse this though).