American Gun Laws

[Grinning Dragon]

I honestly expected more votes against gun rights, due to the number of leftists on NS. Where are all of the liberals?

Avoiding a topic where they know they're just going to get abuse for having the "wrong" opinion.

I wouldn't say so much as having the wrong opinion as a few have tried to back up their claims with some stats, most however seem to appeal to emotion in my opinion.

[Need a Name]

Haha, I often feel the same way about liberals. However I don't think I have verbally abused anyone thus far, nor have I witnessed any personal insults or things of that nature. Honestly I wish more liberals would argue in favor of gun control, it would give me a chance to (hopefully) trounce lib view points.

Obviously you've never been around for the times when even suggesting small changes to regulations got you labelled a "gun grabber".

Well, those times are still around here in the U.S. You should have seen my friends after Obama gave an executive order to, well, bulster already existing laws. "Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden is takin' muh guns away so he can reveal himself as the Anti-Christ!"

And don't get me started on the NRA...

Oh, and hello again.

[Medwind]

Avoiding a topic where they know they're just going to get abuse for having the "wrong" opinion.

I wouldn't say so much as having the wrong opinion as a few have tried to back up their claims with some stats, most however seem to appeal to emotion in my opinion.

Off topic, but, I really like your sig.

[Medwind]

Obviously you've never been around for the times when even suggesting small changes to regulations got you labelled a "gun grabber".

Well, those times are still around here in the U.S. You should have seen my friends after Obama gave an executive order to, well, bulster already existing laws. "Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden is takin' muh guns away so he can reveal himself as the Anti-Christ!"

And don't get me started on the NRA...

Oh, and hello again.

Hey there,
"Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden is takin' muh guns away so he can reveal himself as the Anti-Christ!" -This gave me a good laugh. However most of the conservatives that I know personally are not stereotypical rednecks or hillbilly's, (not that there's anything wrong with that) They actually tend to be well educated middle class Americans.

[Grinning Dragon]

I wouldn't say so much as having the wrong opinion as a few have tried to back up their claims with some stats, most however seem to appeal to emotion in my opinion.

Off topic, but, I really like your sig.

YAY! Thank you

[Grinning Dragon]

Well, those times are still around here in the U.S. You should have seen my friends after Obama gave an executive order to, well, bulster already existing laws. "Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden is takin' muh guns away so he can reveal himself as the Anti-Christ!"

And don't get me started on the NRA...

Oh, and hello again.

Hey there,
"Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden is takin' muh guns away so he can reveal himself as the Anti-Christ!" -This gave me a good laugh. However most of the conservatives that I know personally are not stereotypical rednecks or hillbilly's, (not that there's anything wrong with that) They actually tend to be well educated middle class Americans.

I'd also add that most came to the conclusion that such a thing exceeded his Constitutional authority to do so.

[Need a Name]

Well, those times are still around here in the U.S. You should have seen my friends after Obama gave an executive order to, well, bulster already existing laws. "Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden is takin' muh guns away so he can reveal himself as the Anti-Christ!"

And don't get me started on the NRA...

Oh, and hello again.

Hey there,
"Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden is takin' muh guns away so he can reveal himself as the Anti-Christ!" -This gave me a good laugh. However most of the conservatives that I know personally are not stereotypical rednecks or hillbilly's, (not that there's anything wrong with that) They actually tend to be well educated middle class Americans.

I live in Maine so for the most part there are liberal students, conservative business owners, and rednecks. My friends are a healthy mix of all three so I still got plenty of complaints who heard about the order through the grape vine. I'm not trying to say all Americans are uneducated, I just know quite a few who aren't.

[Need a Name]

Hey there,
"Barack Hussein Obama Bin Laden is takin' muh guns away so he can reveal himself as the Anti-Christ!" -This gave me a good laugh. However most of the conservatives that I know personally are not stereotypical rednecks or hillbilly's, (not that there's anything wrong with that) They actually tend to be well educated middle class Americans.

I'd also add that most came to the conclusion that such a thing exceeded his Constitutional authority to do so.

At least in my case, they just heard that Obama had finally gotten around to taking their guns away. Someone else made the conclusion for the. They didn't read a primary source, hell, they just heard it from some buddies who heard it from some buddies who saw it on a Facebook post.

[Medwind]

I'd also add that most came to the conclusion that such a thing exceeded his Constitutional authority to do so.

At least in my case, they just heard that Obama had finally gotten around to taking their guns away. Someone else made the conclusion for the. They didn't read a primary source, hell, they just heard it from some buddies who heard it from some buddies who saw it on a Facebook post.

Haha, I think that is a pretty common way of spreading bs anyway, I'm beat, so I'm going to head to bed, I'll check out this thread later to see what becomes of it. Bye everyone.

[North Calaveras]

They don't want to take our guns away, they just want to pass more and more regulations, many are arbitrary, so that when you barley slip up they can take them away. In addition, many anti-gunners also want to limit the weapons themselves. So, it's basically laws to restrict/regulate combined with laws to neuter existing weapons.

things like

"assault features"
"Ban on high capacity magazines"
"Assault pistols"
"Bullet buttons"
"Armour piercing ammunition"

the list goes on and on, and there is little compromise.

I live in hawaii and have had to deal with this bureaucratic nightmare concerning firearms...

[Digital Planets]

What we need is less regulations on firearms. If we want to make America safer, the first hurdle is allowing guns on school grounds no bigger than .50cal. We must also allow civilians to load and fire tank weaponry when the need arises.

[North Calaveras]

What we need is less regulations on firearms. If we want to make America safer, the first hurdle is allowing guns on school grounds no bigger than .50cal. We must also allow civilians to load and fire tank weaponry when the need arises.

I feel your being very sarcastic...

[Digital Planets]

What we need is less regulations on firearms. If we want to make America safer, the first hurdle is allowing guns on school grounds no bigger than .50cal. We must also allow civilians to load and fire tank weaponry when the need arises.

I feel your being very sarcastic...

Fuck no. Gun laws are a serious matter, and with the way Congress is putting these laws into effect, it's causing more and more shootings. If we were to soften the restrictions, we could make America much more safer knowing that people who misuse guns are gonna find themselves stuck in a smoldering wreck from a 76mm High-Explosive round.

[Breaking Benjamins Benjamin Burnley]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

[Digital Planets]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

You better watch your tongue there, Liberal. You're not in Europe anymore when you come to my forum.

[Grinning Dragon]

They don't want to take our guns away, they just want to pass more and more regulations, many are arbitrary, so that when you barley slip up they can take them away. In addition, many anti-gunners also want to limit the weapons themselves. So, it's basically laws to restrict/regulate combined with laws to neuter existing weapons.

things like

"assault features"
"Ban on high capacity magazines"
"Assault pistols"
"Bullet buttons"
"Armour piercing ammunition"

the list goes on and on, and there is little compromise.

I live in Hawaii and have had to deal with this bureaucratic nightmare concerning firearms...

If you were to ask 10 different folks who are anti-weapon, you will almost get 10 different answers on what constitutes:
Assault features.
High capacity.
Armor piercing ammo. (this one goes into some wild assumptions of ammo/ballistics and lack of understanding of any type of body armor)
Most would answer in such a manner that it all boils down to an appeal to emotion and very light on facts, if any facts are even offered.

[Vaikneland]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

Please, may I GENUINELY ask, what would happen in the case of an armed lead assault on a building such as a mall... If guns are illegal to everyone, obviously law-abiding citizens won't have any. But criminals never follow the laws, so obviously they would have no problem owning an illegal firearm. So, if the criminal was armed, and no one else was, ESPECIALLY if you're one of those idiots who believe the police shouldn't be armed, how many dead bodies do you think it would take to stop the shooter? All of them? Or maybe until a cop or bystander had a firearm of their own to shoot the criminal... Oh wait, they can't. Because that would be illegal.

[Greater Allidron]

They don't want to take our guns away, they just want to pass more and more regulations, many are arbitrary, so that when you barley slip up they can take them away. In addition, many anti-gunners also want to limit the weapons themselves. So, it's basically laws to restrict/regulate combined with laws to neuter existing weapons.

things like

"assault features"
"Ban on high capacity magazines"
"Assault pistols"
"Bullet buttons"
"Armour piercing ammunition"

the list goes on and on, and there is little compromise.

I live in Hawaii and have had to deal with this bureaucratic nightmare concerning firearms...

If you were to ask 10 different folks who are anti-weapon, you will almost get 10 different answers on what constitutes:
Assault features.
High capacity.
Armor piercing ammo. (this one goes into some wild assumptions of ammo/ballistics and lack of understanding of any type of body armor)
Most would answer in such a manner that it all boils down to an appeal to emotion and very light on facts, if any facts are even offered.

This would be me:

"Assault Features? Nice lookin' gun there."
"Ban on high capacity magazines? What about my quail huntin?"
"Assault pistols?!?! What do you think guns are for, target practice?"
"Bullet buttons....you lost me on that one."
"Armour piercing ammunition? I don't got none of those, unless your talking about a deer rifle that'll shoot through a car. Thats if you consider a car armoured."

[Vaikneland]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

and you might want to reconsider who you think is illogical if yore ever in a mass shooting. Because the last thing you'll think, is that you wish you had a gun to stop him before he killed you.

[Fanosolia]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

and you might want to reconsider who you think is illogical if yore ever in a mass shooting. Because the last thing you'll think, is that you wish you had a gun to stop him before he killed you.

Doesn't have to be a gun. Not disagreeing with the power to stop em thing, i'm just saying... I've wanted to fend them off with a chair personally

[North Calaveras]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

and you might want to reconsider who you think is illogical if yore ever in a mass shooting. Because the last thing you'll think, is that you wish you had a gun to stop him before he killed you.

The first thing you will think is to survive by running(which is logical) but don't sit there and act like none of those people in the paris attacks would have passed by having a gun put in their hand.

[Digital Planets]

All guns should be banned.

But realistically for fascist U.S. they should at least ban all Assault rifles and high caliber weapons that are completely unnecessary.

These fear-mongering hicks only need a handgun to protect themsleves.

You don't need an assualt rifle or high capacity magazine or high caliber guns unless you plan on committing a terrorist attack.

Anybody ever heard of Stun Guns/Tasers? (the ones that shoot electrodes)

You know it's always the end of the world with the conservatives when liberals propose some new laws, right-wingers
are so afraid of change and every time something happens, suddenly liberals want to take everything away and strip you of all your rights etc. and then it's the apoclypse! lol xD

I'm not even going to debate anything because i see how far right-wing these guys are. These types are usually complelely unreasonable, and illogical.

and you might want to reconsider who you think is illogical if yore ever in a mass shooting. Because the last thing you'll think, is that you wish you had a gun to stop him before he killed you.

Or maybe he wants to go back to a time where people carried swords and had the balls to stand up against guns.

[Vaikneland]

and you might want to reconsider who you think is illogical if yore ever in a mass shooting. Because the last thing you'll think, is that you wish you had a gun to stop him before he killed you.

The first thing you will think is to survive by running(which is logical) but don't sit there and act like none of those people in the paris attacks would have passed by having a gun put in their hand.

that's ridiculous. "Oh yes, there's a gunman! I'm going to run faster than a bullet!" Ok that would make sense if you DIDNT have a gun, but if you were in that concert amphitheater in Paris and you caught sight of the shooter (and you had a gun) you wouldn't run, you'd shoot. And all it would take is ONE bullet to stop all those deaths... And proposal you put forward in stopping mass shootings? Because clearly in gun-free France, the terrorist retrieved a gun /:

[Vaikneland]

and you might want to reconsider who you think is illogical if yore ever in a mass shooting. Because the last thing you'll think, is that you wish you had a gun to stop him before he killed you.

Or maybe he wants to go back to a time where people carried swords and had the balls to stand up against guns.

maybe /:

[Porcfest]

There is no right to own a gun. There is only the right to own property. Guns are property so logically speaking you have a right to own a gun. If government tries to violate the right to own property in any way people have the right to defend that property. A gun just so happens to be an excellent tool to do that with.

As far as the United States is concerned,

Their social contract (US Constitution) stipulates in no uncertain terms that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Americans have this defined as a limitation upon their government and thus this renders all law concerning the second amendment infringement. In the United States there should be no such thing as "Gun Laws".