Brussels Terrorist Attack: ISIS Claims Responsibility

[Lunalia]

The fact that some people want it to be ruled with the iron fist of sharia law, and some people don't.

What's wrong with a "one big fixed (no problems like seperatists, or insurgents,..) Caliphate" ??

The fact that I'm.... not... sure if there'd be a caliph to rule it.

I know that back when the Ottomans conquered Egypt, there was a great deal of concern that the sultan couldn't legally rule that new territory because it was ruled by a caliph, and according to the Quran the caliph has to be related to Mohamed. Unless they've decided to throw away that requirement (and if not that one, why not others......) does this bloodline even still exist?

[Liriena]

In Saudi Arabia, the monarchy ended up giving into some of the opposition's demands, including giving women the vote.

Are you seriously buying into the bullshit, Liri? The Saudis didn't do shit. They're trying to fool people like you (no offense) into believing they care. The Saudis aren't stupid. They know what they're doing.

I did say "some" of the opposition's demands. They are still one of the most despicably tyrannical regimes on the face of the Earth. My point was that even they made at least perfunctory concessions.

[Kautharr]

Belgium just got culturally enriched.
This is why I am strongly against immigration. It just results in incidents like this.

[Ganos Lao]

Just a friendly reminder, Liri, that those corrupt regimes used Western military hardware on their own people, but yet countries like Canada give out their biggest arms deals to date to those very same regimes:

Thanks. I should have mentioned that was well. The tyrannical regimes in question also had the support of Western powers, and it could actually be argued that they only stayed in power for so long because of Western support.

That is indeed the case.

In fact, it's so much so that it ends up convincing people that the only alternative is a group like ISIS.

Case in point - al-Maliki in Iraq. I know I keep mentioning this, but until that man is locked up in prison at the very least, until people like him are, you will see no change in that region.

[Salus Maior]

I think the existence of a Caliphate would be beneficial. Maybe not as a huge political entity but as something like the Vatican? Just something to help guide Islam and prevent it from going crazy.

We already got one Caliphate called ISIS, we don't need another.

An illegitimate Caliphate. A real Caliph requires the approval and support of all Islam in order to be a Caliph. Al-Baghdadi is a charlatan.

[Preussenstan]

Molenbeek is a no-go zone where muslim extremism is practiced actively outside of home

While I certainly would like to have an actual source on it being a "no-go zone", given the long history of the claims of said alleged zones turning out to be false, this is an interesting read.

The greatest victims from this bombings are Muslims. They will be stigmatised even more by their religion and skin.

[Ostroeuropa]

What's wrong with a "one big fixed (no problems like seperatists, or insurgents,..) Caliphate" ??

The fact that I'm.... not... sure if there'd be a caliph to rule it.

I know that back when the Ottomans conquered Egypt, there was a great deal of concern that the sultan couldn't legally rule that new territory because it was ruled by a caliph, and according to the Quran the caliph has to be related to Mohamed. Unless they've decided to throw away that requirement (and if not that one, why not others......) does this bloodline even still exist?

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

[Vassenor]

Belgium just got culturally enriched.
This is why I am strongly against immigration. It just results in incidents like this.

Because that'll totally stop home-grown extremism.

[Sanctissima]

I think the existence of a Caliphate would be beneficial. Maybe not as a huge political entity but as something like the Vatican? Just something to help guide Islam and prevent it from going crazy.

Not with the current state of affairs, no. Any such caliphate would be very much influenced by Saudi Arabia (given how both Mecca and Medina are ruled by the Sauds). And given how that country is ultimately responsible for a lot of the terrorism we see around the world, I wouldn't trust them with influencing a revived Caliphate.

[Vassenor]

The fact that I'm.... not... sure if there'd be a caliph to rule it.

I know that back when the Ottomans conquered Egypt, there was a great deal of concern that the sultan couldn't legally rule that new territory because it was ruled by a caliph, and according to the Quran the caliph has to be related to Mohamed. Unless they've decided to throw away that requirement (and if not that one, why not others......) does this bloodline even still exist?

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

[citation needed]

[Liriena]

Belgium just got culturally enriched.
This is why I am strongly against immigration. It just results in incidents like this.

Friendly reminder that we do not know the identity of the attackers themselves, and the Paris attacks last year were mostly perpetrated by citizens, not immigrants.

[Sanctissima]

Belgium just got culturally enriched.
This is why I am strongly against immigration. It just results in incidents like this.

The people responsible for the attacks are, like those responsible for the ones in Paris, not immigrants. They're homegrown terrorists, which is something that the Belgian government seems to love to ignore.

[Ostroeuropa]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=329088&hilit=british+caliphate+queen

On a new caliphate. (Old thread, do not post.)

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The fact that I'm.... not... sure if there'd be a caliph to rule it.

I know that back when the Ottomans conquered Egypt, there was a great deal of concern that the sultan couldn't legally rule that new territory because it was ruled by a caliph, and according to the Quran the caliph has to be related to Mohamed. Unless they've decided to throw away that requirement (and if not that one, why not others......) does this bloodline even still exist?

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

An old trick used by rulers everywhere to give legitimacy to their rule. If he a descendant of Muhammad, I'm a descendant of Charles the Great, and it would give me the same right to rule.

[Ganos Lao]

Are you seriously buying into the bullshit, Liri? The Saudis didn't do shit. They're trying to fool people like you (no offense) into believing they care. The Saudis aren't stupid. They know what they're doing.

I did say "some" of the opposition's demands. They are still one of the most despicably tyrannical regimes on the face of the Earth. My point was that even they made at least perfunctory concessions.

Those concessions are such bullshit, though.

Women can vote in meaningless elections, but they can't even enter a Starbucks and I'm supposed to be like "nice work, Saudi Arabia!"?

Whoop-dee-doo! No wonder nothing changes if we're satisfied with "baby steps".

Don't think this is hostility against you, though, Liri. I know you mean well, but this will do nothing. What needs to be done is that the King needs to once and for all reform.

Remember Qing China? That's what's gonna happen to his kingdom if he doesn't shape up. He can start by ending the funding of radical Islam.

[Salus Maior]

The fact that I'm.... not... sure if there'd be a caliph to rule it.

I know that back when the Ottomans conquered Egypt, there was a great deal of concern that the sultan couldn't legally rule that new territory because it was ruled by a caliph, and according to the Quran the caliph has to be related to Mohamed. Unless they've decided to throw away that requirement (and if not that one, why not others......) does this bloodline even still exist?

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

So he says....

He doesn't actually have any proof to the fact. Although, yes, Muhammad still has descendants.

[Saiwania]

What's wrong with a "one big Caliphate" ??

We effectively had that before with the Ottoman empire. They were nothing but trouble for Europe. They kept trying to invade and expand but weren't able to. Great Britain was just opportunistic in having them formally get dissolved after WWI.

[Sanctissima]

The fact that I'm.... not... sure if there'd be a caliph to rule it.

I know that back when the Ottomans conquered Egypt, there was a great deal of concern that the sultan couldn't legally rule that new territory because it was ruled by a caliph, and according to the Quran the caliph has to be related to Mohamed. Unless they've decided to throw away that requirement (and if not that one, why not others......) does this bloodline even still exist?

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

No, he's not.

He uses the whole "Abu Bakr" thing as a publicity stunt, but he's not actually descended from Muhammad.

[Trada]

Belgium just got culturally enriched.
This is why I am strongly against immigration. It just results in incidents like this.

If there was no immigration in Belgium during the 1970-60s, the Belgian economy would go down and Belgium would not look like what it is today. I am from Belgium, I know that.

[Uxupox]

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

No, he's not.

He uses the whole "Abu Bakr" thing as a publicity stunt, but he's not actually descended from Muhammad.

We don't know that if he's actually descendant from him. We don't exactly know his genealogy tree.

[Lunalia]

The fact that I'm.... not... sure if there'd be a caliph to rule it.

I know that back when the Ottomans conquered Egypt, there was a great deal of concern that the sultan couldn't legally rule that new territory because it was ruled by a caliph, and according to the Quran the caliph has to be related to Mohamed. Unless they've decided to throw away that requirement (and if not that one, why not others......) does this bloodline even still exist?

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

Well, guess that bloodline's going to get eliminated in a hurry.

Anyway, another, more serious issue with one fixed Caliphate is that, even fixed, there is a LOT of landmass in the proposed "one fixed Caliphate". That means a lot of people living within it. Yes, the Vatican guides all Roman Catholics, but the actual landmass taken up by Vatican City (even when you add in the landmass taken up by other buildings owned or rented by the Vatican for cathedrals and Catholic schools and such) is minimal. If you want to live within the area controlled by the Vatican, you can, but if you don't agree with everything the Vatican says, you don't have to abide by it as long as you don't actually live in Vatican City. You can be guided in the case of things you're undecided on, and you are free to blatantly disagree with some teachings.

The proposed one free Caliphate is so large that a LOT of people would have to relocate if they don't agree with everything that this new religious government wants them to do. It's not a matter of "it's one city I can just move outside of this city if I don't want to follow every single tenet that the leader of this new caliphate says I have to follow" it's entire countries.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

An old trick used by rulers everywhere to give legitimacy to their rule. If he a descendant of Muhammad, I'm a descendant of Charles the Great, and it would give me the same right to rule.

It's not contested by his opponents tbh. The muslims do keep pretty good records of that particular tribe, for good reason I suppose. There are however, plenty of other claimants who could oppose him. None however are.

Incidentally, you are definitely a descendent of Charlemagne. Everyone European is.

[Tokuopolis]

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[Trada]

What's wrong with a "one big Caliphate" ??

We effectively had that before with the Ottoman empire. They were nothing but trouble for Europe. They kept trying to invade and expand but weren't able to. Great Britain was just opportunistic in having them formally get dissolved after WWI.

Huh... How about Europe colonising other poorer nations and enslaving them? The Caliphate was one of the most developed and rich empires ever seen in history, I strongly advise you to first learn about the history of Caliphate and then say something about it. The caliphate is not what you thinnk it is (strict sharia law that kills everyone who opposes them)

[Ganos Lao]

Yes, the bloodline exists.
The current leader of ISIS is a descendent of Mohammed.

Well, guess that bloodline's going to get eliminated in a hurry.

Anyway, another, more serious issue with one fixed Caliphate is that, even fixed, there is a LOT of landmass in the proposed "one fixed Caliphate". That means a lot of people living within it. Yes, the Vatican guides all Roman Catholics, but the actual landmass taken up by Vatican City (even when you add in the landmass taken up by other buildings owned or rented by the Vatican for cathedrals and Catholic schools and such) is minimal. If you want to live within the area controlled by the Vatican, you can, but if you don't agree with everything the Vatican says, you don't have to abide by it as long as you don't actually live in Vatican City. You can be guided in the case of things you're undecided on, and you are free to blatantly disagree with some teachings.

The proposed one free Caliphate is so large that a LOT of people would have to relocate if they don't agree with everything that this new religious government wants them to do.

Why not just restrain the Caliphate to Mecca and/or Medina?

Turn Mecca and/or Medina into an Islamic Vatican. There you go. Problem solved.