Brussels Terrorist Attack: ISIS Claims Responsibility

[Major-Tom]

Geert Wilders' party actually has a pretty good manifesto compared to that of the imbeciles in the Dutch Labour Party, GreenLeft etc.
I don't like his economic policies though

What good is to come by prohibiting the Quran?

No kidding. It's a religious text, and prohibiting it won't advance Dutch culture, nor will it hinder terrorist attacks. The only thing it hinders is freedom of speech and religion.

Fuck Geert Wilders.

[Uxupox]

Sad that it's not a remote possibility eh?

No. Sad that you'll never actualize your dream to be a writer for the Seth Meyers show.

His jokes are comparable to the ones made by former President George W. Bush.

[Robert Bork]

No. Sad that you'll never actualize your dream to be a writer for the Seth Meyers show.

His jokes are comparable to the ones made by former President George W. Bush.

At least Dubya had good writers. Everything Gauth said is straight out of the wannabe liberal snark trash can. Fucking Kieth Olbermann wouldn't touch those jokes.

[Unified Governments]

Nah, I think we need to import more Syrian refugees. So what if a few hundred people are butchered in terrorist is attacks? So what if people are raped, murdered, and beaten? I'm sure George Soros will protect us.

How about enough, Gauth? How about, just for once, enough?

I'm loving the appeal to emotion here.

Pointing out that people are being hurt in ever growing numbers is an appeal to emotion, is it?

[Liriena]

His jokes are comparable to the ones made by former President George W. Bush.

At least Dubya had good writers. Everything Gauth said is straight out of the wannabe liberal snark trash can. Fucking Kieth Olbermann wouldn't touch those jokes.

If you're done bashing Gauth's sense of humour, I think there's an actual topic somewhere in this thread.

[Robert Bork]

At least Dubya had good writers. Everything Gauth said is straight out of the wannabe liberal snark trash can. Fucking Kieth Olbermann wouldn't touch those jokes.

If you're done bashing Gauth's sense of humour, I think there's an actual topic somewhere in this thread.

I'm happy you can stand up for your buddy and all, but if somebody wants to be the next Colbert, I'm free to tell them they're more like a Dane Cook.

[Major-Tom]

If you're done bashing Gauth's sense of humour, I think there's an actual topic somewhere in this thread.

I'm happy you can stand up for your buddy and all, but if somebody wants to be the next Colbert, I'm free to tell them they're more like a Dane Cook.

Guys, take this off-topic shit elsewhere. Many NSGers dislike the constant snark from certain corners, but that can be discussed elsewhere.

[Kriga]

If you're done bashing Gauth's sense of humour, I think there's an actual topic somewhere in this thread.

I'm happy you can stand up for your buddy and all, but if somebody wants to be the next Colbert, I'm free to tell them they're more like a Dane Cook.

Bork, what is your opinion on the Belgium attacks? And how do you think we should respond?
Never got to hear see a proper opinion from you. I must have missed it.

[Robert Bork]

I'm happy you can stand up for your buddy and all, but if somebody wants to be the next Colbert, I'm free to tell them they're more like a Dane Cook.

Bork, what is your opinion on the Belgium attacks? And how do you think we should respond?
Never got to hear see a proper opinion from you. I must have missed it.

My general opinion is that, while I have a huge amount of respect for Islamic culture, including its art, philosophy, and literature, I feel that there are aspects of the Islamic religion which are incredibly problematic for Western democracy and the safety of people in the Western countries, and that a culture of political correctness is impeding our ability to address these problems.

[Braberland]

What good is to come by prohibiting the Quran?

No kidding. It's a religious text, and prohibiting it won't advance Dutch culture, nor will it hinder terrorist attacks. The only thing it hinders is freedom of speech and religion.

Fuck Geert Wilders.

It would actually promote Freedom of Speech, since the Quran's followers are actively persecuting PVV voters in the Netherlands.

[Major-Tom]

No kidding. It's a religious text, and prohibiting it won't advance Dutch culture, nor will it hinder terrorist attacks. The only thing it hinders is freedom of speech and religion.

Fuck Geert Wilders.

It would actually promote Freedom of Speech, since the Quran and Islam are actively persecuting PVV voters in the Netherlands.

The Quran, a book, is persecuting PVV voters? While the Dutch government hasn't been entirely fair to the PVV, the notion that they're being "oppressed by Islam" is childish.

[Valaran]

Bork, what is your opinion on the Belgium attacks? And how do you think we should respond?
Never got to hear see a proper opinion from you. I must have missed it.

My general opinion is that, while I have a huge amount of respect for Islamic culture, including its art, philosophy, and literature, I feel that there are aspects of the Islamic religion which are incredibly problematic for Western democracy and the safety of people in the Western countries, and that a culture of political correctness is impeding our ability to address these problems.

How, would we, in a non-pc world, address them? Or, how should we adress them?

[Unified Governments]

His jokes are comparable to the ones made by former President George W. Bush.

At least Dubya had good writers. Everything Gauth said is straight out of the wannabe liberal snark trash can. Fucking Kieth Olbermann wouldn't touch those jokes.

They're not even jokes. They're just snarky comments. The only thing he actually contributes to threads is endless snarky remarks. You can tell which threads he's in just by the smell of pure shit.

[Robert Bork]

My general opinion is that, while I have a huge amount of respect for Islamic culture, including its art, philosophy, and literature, I feel that there are aspects of the Islamic religion which are incredibly problematic for Western democracy and the safety of people in the Western countries, and that a culture of political correctness is impeding our ability to address these problems.

How, would we, in a non-pc world, address them? Or, how should we adress them?

I'm not going to say I have all the answers in respect to that. There are a lot of Muslim thinkers who agree with me who would be the best at explaining that (I'm thinking of Maajid Nawaz). All I know is that we won't make any progress if we can't be honest about the problems with Islam without being called Islamaphobes.

[Valaran]

At least Dubya had good writers. Everything Gauth said is straight out of the wannabe liberal snark trash can. Fucking Kieth Olbermann wouldn't touch those jokes.

They're not even jokes. They're just snarky comments. The only thing he actually contributes to threads is endless snarky remarks. You can tell which threads he's in just by the smell of pure shit.

With respect you're getting dangerously personal there.

Guys, take this off-topic shit elsewhere. Many NSGers dislike the constant snark from certain corners, but that can be discussed elsewhere.

^^^^

[Luminesa]

No, we should not try to destroy religion. Religion has existed since the beginning of civilization, and it has majorly built the cultures of civilizations around the world. It was Christianity that guided most of the world through the Dark Ages, anyway. Of course we need to get rid of radicalism. However, that does not mean destroying religion. It means tackling the economic and social situations (poverty, lack of proper education, as you just mentioned, the lack of efficient communication, etc.) that allow for radicalism and hatred to take root in society. If you try to destroy religion itself, I can guarantee you, you're going to end-up destroying a lot more than you're going to be building.

I never said we should destroy religion, but rather, we should limit the influence religion has on politics and social reform. We will be just fine without religious leaders always imposing its own version of how they see the world. The last time we surrendered authority to such a religion, it saw merciless inquisitions, witch-hunts, imprisonment of free-thinkers, and decadence.

Religion has no place in politics. It should stuck to its true purpose: providing a place of worship for those who continue to believe in a religion. Separation of church and state is essential, and i very much wish to see religion as far away from state as possible.

Just look at Iran, Saudi Arabia, America....a fine example of what happens when you put efficiency before faith.

Of course we don't want a theocracy like the ones in Iran or Pakistan, but you don't want to get rid of all religion in politics. Switching from one opposite to the other is never really a good idea.

[Robert Bork]

At least Dubya had good writers. Everything Gauth said is straight out of the wannabe liberal snark trash can. Fucking Kieth Olbermann wouldn't touch those jokes.

They're not even jokes. They're just snarky comments. The only thing he actually contributes to threads is endless snarky remarks. You can tell which threads he's in just by the smell of pure shit.

This is a perfectly accurate description.

EDIT: Butthurt squad, can dish it out but can't take it.

[Unified Governments]

My general opinion is that, while I have a huge amount of respect for Islamic culture, including its art, philosophy, and literature, I feel that there are aspects of the Islamic religion which are incredibly problematic for Western democracy and the safety of people in the Western countries, and that a culture of political correctness is impeding our ability to address these problems.

How, would we, in a non-pc world, address them? Or, how should we adress them?

Yes, but you see, actually addressing problems in the Islamic world is racist. We should just close our eyes and maybe they'll go away.

[Kriga]

Bork, what is your opinion on the Belgium attacks? And how do you think we should respond?
Never got to hear see a proper opinion from you. I must have missed it.

My general opinion is that, while I have a huge amount of respect for Islamic culture, including its art, philosophy, and literature, I feel that there are aspects of the Islamic religion which are incredibly problematic for Western democracy and the safety of people in the Western countries, and that a culture of political correctness is impeding our ability to address these problems.

So why don't we educate them instead of take such a hardline rhetoric against them? Respect their religion as you would to a Christian, and tensions will diffuse. Of course, there are aspects of the QU'ran that appear to be very backwards, but it applies for every religion as well. When handling religion, we must respect the rights of others to worship a different God. But at the same time, we should not compromise secular and humanist values to appease them.

You disarm religion by educating its followers to evolve into a higher state of learning and perception of the world.

[Valaran]

How, would we, in a non-pc world, address them? Or, how should we adress them?

I'm not going to say I have all the answers in respect to that. There are a lot of Muslim thinkers who agree with me who would be the best at explaining that (I'm thinking of Maajid Nawaz). All I know is that we won't make any progress if we can't be honest about the problems with Islam without being called Islamaphobes.

Fair enough - I wouldn't claim to either.

And I would, perhaps, agree that an honest discussion is frustratingly elusive. I might add, that this is both due to an extreme branch of the liberal left, and to bigoted segments of society, which both would seek to impose personal biases instead of an honest discussion, but the point remains. Secondly, what would such a discussion achieve? Are you thinking it would lead to policy options, or a changing of attitudes, either within or outside muslim communities in western nations?

[Unified Governments]

My general opinion is that, while I have a huge amount of respect for Islamic culture, including its art, philosophy, and literature, I feel that there are aspects of the Islamic religion which are incredibly problematic for Western democracy and the safety of people in the Western countries, and that a culture of political correctness is impeding our ability to address these problems.

So why don't we educate them instead of take such a hardline rhetoric against them? Respect their religion as you would to a Christian, and tensions will diffuse. Of course, there are aspects of the QU'ran that appear to be very backwards, but it applies for every religion as well. When handling religion, we must respect the rights of others to worship a different God. But at the same time, we should not compromise secular and humanist values to appease them.

You disarm religion by educating its followers to evolve into a higher state of learning and perception of the world.

Uh-huh. And how do we educate a bunch of people on another continent? They need to take the steps to improve their own countries. And half of the time they don't even want to change their ass-backwards ways.

[Benxboro]

How, would we, in a non-pc world, address them? Or, how should we adress them?

Yes, but you see, actually addressing problems in the Islamic world is racist. We should just close our eyes and maybe they'll go away.

Or maybe spend our foreign aid in places where they don't think protesting is evil and so are the people down the street.

[Robert Bork]

My general opinion is that, while I have a huge amount of respect for Islamic culture, including its art, philosophy, and literature, I feel that there are aspects of the Islamic religion which are incredibly problematic for Western democracy and the safety of people in the Western countries, and that a culture of political correctness is impeding our ability to address these problems.

So why don't we educate them instead of take such a hardline rhetoric against them? Respect their religion as you would to a Christian, and tensions will diffuse. Of course, there are aspects of the QU'ran that appear to be very backwards, but it applies for every religion as well. When handling religion, we must respect the rights of others to worship a different God. But at the same time, we should not compromise secular and humanist values to appease them.

You disarm religion by educating its followers to evolve into a higher state of learning and perception of the world.

I'm skeptical of any project which aims to 'educate' people out of their long-standing religious beliefs. That's very difficult and will likely offend a huge amount of people. I mean, we can't even get half of Americans, who are wealthy, educated, and prosperous, to believe that evolution is true. Deradicalization through education would be really difficult. But yeah, I suppose it would definitely be worth a shot. The problem is, we're letting a bunch of people into our countries with no plan for educating them, because that's not multicultural.

[Valaran]

How, would we, in a non-pc world, address them? Or, how should we adress them?

Yes, but you see, actually addressing problems in the Islamic world is racist. We should just close our eyes and maybe they'll go away.

That's just snark though. I was asking a genuine question, with what I hope is a non-biased attempt to learn of Bork's views.

[Geilinor]

So why don't we educate them instead of take such a hardline rhetoric against them? Respect their religion as you would to a Christian, and tensions will diffuse. Of course, there are aspects of the QU'ran that appear to be very backwards, but it applies for every religion as well. When handling religion, we must respect the rights of others to worship a different God. But at the same time, we should not compromise secular and humanist values to appease them.

You disarm religion by educating its followers to evolve into a higher state of learning and perception of the world.

Uh-huh. And how do we educate a bunch of people on another continent? They need to take the steps to improve their own countries. And half of the time they don't even want to change their ass-backwards ways.

We're talking about Muslims in Europe. Of course we won't be educating everyone in the Middle East and North Africa.